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Personally I'm getting really sick of being christian, the religion thinks that they're really important and have to spred their religion to other people before another religion, so our church is attempting to basically take over the world. If you see in the news you'll never hear as much about other religions as much as christianity.

At 8/26/05 09:00 AM, freakyman999999 wrote: U ARE A FUKN RETARD TO SAY THAT HES EVIL U WOULDNT BE HERE IF IT WASNT FOR HIM U BITCH HE CAN TAKE UR LIKE OR ANYONES RIGHT NOW SO SHUT UP!

Ahhh....

*Inhales*
*Exhales*

I love the smell of ignorance and noob shit in the morning....

if god is real hes a real asshole he killed his fuckin son

At 8/26/05 09:00 AM, freakyman999999 wrote: U ARE A FUKN RETARD TO SAY THAT HES EVIL U WOULDNT BE HERE IF IT WASNT FOR HIM U BITCH HE CAN TAKE UR LIKE OR ANYONES RIGHT NOW SO SHUT UP!

Oh yes let us praise him for creating us into a life filled with suffering and his eventual judgment... You know all thosae wonderful gifts you claim he gives uyou in your life? Well you wouldn't need or want them if you hadnt been created... Nore would you suffer.. Nore would you face judgment.. Ultimately.. If there was a God He has been evil to me... HIf he is real.... which i highly doubt... Then he knew before my birth I would be atheist... And he bore me into a world of suffring and my eventual damnation.. I would have perfered not habve been created........

At 8/26/05 07:19 PM, Innercityproductions wrote: if god is real hes a real asshole he killed his fuckin son

I already corrected you in your other thread.
Jesus is also God. If Jesus did not want to die, he did not have to. But, he loved you so much that he did die, and he came to life again. For you.

Jesus had a choice whether or not to die...

At 8/26/05 09:23 PM, fastbow wrote:

I already corrected you in your other thread.
Jesus is also God. If Jesus did not want to die, he did not have to. But, he loved you so much that he did die, and he came to life again. For you.

Jesus had a choice whether or not to die...

If he truely is all powerful then was that truely necessary?

At 8/24/05 02:55 AM, nitroxide wrote: Questions:
If god is all merciful,why are we born with Birth (original) sin?Why are we already doomed?Why are we paying for the sins of long ago?

Original Sin standeth not in the following of Adam, (as the Pelagians do vainly talk;) but it is the fault and corruption of the Nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam; whereby man is very far gone from original righteousness, and is of his own nature inclined to evil, so that the flesh lusteth always contrary to the Spirit; and therefore in every person born into this world, it deserveth God's wrath and damnation

and therefore in every person born into this world, it deserveth God's wrath and damnation Damn thats vengeful.Why o merciful one?

Could it be because he is evil...?

Satan was the first to cry 'Know Thyself' to Man(Also used by jesus...Hhmmm?).Could it be that we need to see our true nature...Evil?If god is all powerful but everyday their is murder,corruption,rapes,thefts and many more vile acts then does that mean that satan is winning?Is satan the more powerful deity?Or is he the only one?Are they one in the same?

The questions keep piling on but there will never be answers...which leaves me tortured and for this he is truly evil.God is ignorant and evil, to create such a flawed creation and give pain to his creations.

Hi, I am a Christian, and I'll try to answer some of your questions.

The Bible cleary says time and time again that "God is love." In the beginning of our reality, there was nothing but God. Since God is love, he needed something to pour His love onto. That's why He created mankind.

However, He created us with a free will to love Him. Mindless love is worthless.

Unfortunately, anything with free will besides an omnipotent God can sin. A God of love also means that He is just and will judge accordingly.

Fact is, all of mankind sin and fall short of the perfection that God requires. God did know about this. The only way to pay for the sins of man was death - a perfect sacrifice that could pay for all the sins of the world.

God, taking on the form of man, was named Jesus. Jesus led a life devoid of sin and gave up his life on the cross for all humanity - that whoever believes in Him will never truly die but have eternal life with Him.

Once again, it comes down to your choice, your free will.

I believe what He's done. I have no guilt or pain in life and no fear of death.

At 8/26/05 09:49 PM, SilentObserver wrote:

Hi, I am a Christian, and I'll try to answer some of your questions.

"The Bible cleary says time and time again that "God is love." In the beginning of our reality, there was nothing but God. Since God is love, he needed something to pour His love onto. That's why He created mankind. However, He created us with a free will to love Him. Mindless love is worthless. Unfortunately, anything with free will besides an omnipotent God can sin. A God of love also means that He is just and will judge accordingly".

Okay.. But if he was trruely all powerful that means he could have created us with freewill, and not given us the ability to sin.. Sounds impossible huh? But if he is ttruely all powerful it is not beond him...

Fact is, all of mankind sin and fall short of the perfection that God requires. God did know about this. The only way to pay for the sins of man was death - a perfect sacrifice that could pay for all the sins of the world. God, taking on the form of man, was named Jesus. Jesus led a life devoid of sin and gave up his life on the cross for all humanity - that whoever believes in Him will never truly die but have eternal life with Him.

Again if God is truely all powerful then he would not need such a death... there was no need for Jesus to come to earth and die if god is all opowerful..

Once again, it comes down to your choice, your free will.

When does freewill develop? at conception, or when your original personality is created from forces beyond your contol such as genetics and environment?

God needed to create mankind with a free will to do whatever he pleases. He wants man to choose Him over sin.

God knew that man would occasionally sin, even if he accepted God. The Bible says that the only way to repay sin is through death. Hence, the sacrifices of animals in the Old Testament.

Jesus is the perfect sacrifice. All one needs to do is belief that He died for all the sins of the world to be saved.

At 8/26/05 11:18 PM, SilentObserver wrote: God needed to create mankind with a free will to do whatever he pleases. He wants man to choose Him over sin.

God knew that man would occasionally sin, even if he accepted God. The Bible says that the only way to repay sin is through death. Hence, the sacrifices of animals in the Old Testament.

Jesus is the perfect sacrifice. All one needs to do is belief that He died for all the sins of the world to be saved.

Okay okay I understand all that but.. God is all powerful... so why was all that really necessary? I mean he is all powerful he could have done all that instantaneously.. He could have created a world where there was free will, no suffering, and no sins... Why didnt he do that?

Again, He did because He wants us to choose Him over all those things.

Sin is supposed to be fun, and a lot of people would rather do those things for quick gratification rather than to give them up. Dedicating your life to Christ is one of the hardest things to do. It means giving up your whole belief system at the time.

Earth is just a test, on an individual level, to see who has their life devoted to God.

God isn't evil, you blaspheming bastard.

At 8/27/05 10:29 AM, SilentObserver wrote: Again, He did because He wants us to choose Him over all those things.

Sin is supposed to be fun, and a lot of people would rather do those things for quick gratification rather than to give them up. Dedicating your life to Christ is one of the hardest things to do. It means giving up your whole belief system at the time.

Earth is just a test, on an individual level, to see who has their life devoted to God.

Okay okay there is why I think he is evil.. He creates this "test"...which I think that by itself is sick...... He knows that the test he created is a very fuckin hard one to pass.... Yet he makes the punishment for failing eternal damnation.... I see that as just plain sick...

At 8/4/05 11:33 AM, billytheradponi wrote: God is evil...

God isn't evil. Religion is.

And the reward would be Heaven.

Accepting that Christ died as a substitute for our sins is actually the easy part. After that, according to my Bible, you are ensured of salvation. The hard part is living up to it. I'm only here for probably less than a century anyway, so I have no problem with that.

I think it's logical to say that if Christianity is correct, that there is a heaven and a hell, that all those who didn't believe in Christ would be judged accordingly.

It would also be logical to say that if no religion is correct, then we would all end up in the ground anyway.

So... I choose to go with Christianity, and I now know what a relationship with Christ means (trust me, you have no idea beforehand).

I'm just saying to consider eternity.

First of all who says theres a god? thats just a belief for people who need guidance who are tired in believeing in santa and want something more mature. To tell you the truth god is a dumass name i mean really GOD??? right well newayz "God" in my oppinion lets us slaughter because things need balancing ya i know it sucks but think about it there are billions of people on the planet murderers are created to help even things out. Everyone is born with a purpose those who cant figure it out kill them selves. There are thinkers that help us evolve invetors, artists, and helpers everyone is born in to some sort of a genre no one is COMPLETELY useless thats what makes life special it has meaning it makes people wonder about death, death is death people consider it but inside we all know that once we die thats it we die. God is just a normal human he makes mistakes like giraffes and llamas seriously!! whats wrong with them! well anyway he wont comedown cuz frankly we must scare the crap out of him i mean if you had your own litlle world would YOU want to come down to a planet with a bunch of little people throwing nukes around? i dont think so maybe hes scared who knows but im pretty sure after what we did to jesus were not going to have coffee with him anymore. (also there are people who act too old like me lol :)

At 8/28/05 12:16 AM, SilentObserver wrote: And the reward would be Heaven.

Accepting that Christ died as a substitute for our sins is actually the easy part. After that, according to my Bible, you are ensured of salvation. The hard part is living up to it. I'm only here for probably less than a century anyway, so I have no problem with that.

I think it's logical to say that if Christianity is correct, that there is a heaven and a hell, that all those who didn't believe in Christ would be judged accordingly.

It would also be logical to say that if no religion is correct, then we would all end up in the ground anyway.

So... I choose to go with Christianity, and I now know what a relationship with Christ means (trust me, you have no idea beforehand).

I'm just saying to consider eternity.

Okay my problem with that is I dont klike any being that would allow someone.. one of my fellow humans.. to suffer for all of eternity!!! How can anyone deeserve that... Think about it.. let me put it into a matthmatical expresssion, where X will equal the individual's sins and Ill let N represent eternal damnation.... X/N... see what Im getting at.. eventually noi matter what they did the punishment will outweigh the sins...

I disagree. God is good. Last time I checked. He loves everyone. That's what I say.

But why did God give man freewill if he only punishes them when they choose to worship "false idols", or not worship at all. Surely he created them in his image, so if this is so then they would only worship God, seeing as they are replicas of him.
Also, why does man have to worship God?
Surely God is the creator of all, so he must create the evil to tempt man and he must create the false idols for man to worship, so technically man is just worshipping God with whatever they worship, because God created it.
Why did God create the world?
Why did he give man freewill and then tempt them, then punish them when they do wrong?
Why has he decided to basically play with the pawns (which surely thats all man is) and create suffering for them to experience. Why?
Surely this can't be a great good God.
But then again, can He be evil, if He does not exist?
Why has he decided that the newly born child born into far worse poverty than Jesus Christ was, has to suffer all their life and then die early and in pain?
Why does he not interfere, or tell humans to stop fucking around?
You can't just rely on an old book, heavily depending on the person who translated it, views.
Whenever people nowdays claim to have seen of been told something by God they are mad.
Why is God doing this? What is he or anyone gaining from this escapade? Is it because he is bored? Why is he doing this?
I do not believe there can be a God up there.
It is just a comforting thought for our scared, human, mortal minds

But surely God wants you to love and respect your fellow man as well.

At 8/26/05 09:00 AM, freakyman999999 wrote: U ARE A FUKN RETARD TO SAY THAT HES EVIL U WOULDNT BE HERE IF IT WASNT FOR HIM U BITCH HE CAN TAKE UR LIKE OR ANYONES RIGHT NOW SO SHUT UP!

Listen you cant insult someone for what they believe in its his OPPINION everyone has a right to one there is NO proof that god existed the bible is just something to help people lead better lives stop acting like your going to heaven ok cuz no one but mormons are or the pope maybe but EVERYONE has commited a sin no matter how small so dont you think its a little hard to get in to heaven? and im sure you know where you go when you cant get in to heaven right? yep so stop your "holier than thou" attitude and respect peoples decisions and stop acting like a bible humping maniac and answer this dood in a calm way..

At 8/26/05 09:49 PM, SilentObserver wrote:

At 8/24/05 02:55 AM, nitroxide wrote:

Hi, I am a Christian, and I'll try to answer some of your questions.

Hi im an atheist and im hear to shed light on darkness.

The Bible cleary says time and time again that "God is love." In the beginning of our reality, there was nothing but God. Since God is love, he needed something to pour His love onto. That's why He created mankind.

ummmmm.....NO.

God said,

"Let us make man in our own image according to our likeness. Let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over ALL the earth, and over everything that creeps or moves" (Genesis 1:26 ).

What distinguishes a man from an animal? The mind. The mind and spirit of man is very different from the mind of an animal.That is the reason for mans creation to be the superior on earth.To name all the animals as Adam & Eve did.Or was it just Adam?

However, He created us with a free will to love Him. Mindless love is worthless.

No he gave us heart(Emotion)to love him,free will was never given.

Unfortunately, anything with free will besides an omnipotent God can sin.

"Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (verses 16-17).

Ofcourse its pretty much inevatible,Hey what do most kids do when there parents tell them not to do something...they do it.But why are we still paying for these sins?If i see it coming and im but a mere shadow of god then how is it this all powerful all knowing god not see it coming?Everything is happening just as God planned from the dawn of creation,and this makes him evil.

The land of exile outside of eden was already there before satans temptation therefore god created man knowing full well that mans betrayal would lead to damnation for all future man and he did it anyways without a care making him evil.Quite sick in fact this test of his.

A God of love also means that He is just and will judge accordingly.

So god is fair?We go to hell for not following his conventional word...yet were encouraged by his gift of free will.Human beings are victims caught in the vise of an inexorable fate.What kind of God makes man kill his own son?What kind of god allows genocide of his own sons and daughters?God is(If anything) a disabled deity whose creative nature brings forth a storm of suffering and evil over the world and has full knowledge but only limited control. Such a god might deserve to be pitied,but not worshiped and adored.Now if you say satan is the cause i ask you then does that make him more powerful and were worshipping the wrong god?

Fact is, all of mankind sin and fall short of the perfection that God requires. God did know about this. The only way to pay for the sins of man was death - a perfect sacrifice that could pay for all the sins of the world.

<Sarcasm>Gee...its been such along time i cant even remember what the apple tasted like.Ohhh thats right i wasnt there,but god thinks so much of me that he thinks id make the same choice therefore damnming me into a world of suffering and pain and sin...till death...then comes the judgement.

God, taking on the form of man, was named Jesus. Jesus led a life devoid of sin and gave up his life on the cross for all humanity - that whoever believes in Him will never truly die but have eternal life with Him.

First off why would god need a vessel(Mary)in order to bring his son into the world?If Jesus could not have sinned, what was the point of the temptation?Jesus was a sinner.

The apple doesnt fall from the tree...

God's instructions to the ancient Israelites to commit genocide against the Canaanites by killing every man, woman, child, newborn and infant.SIN!!!!

The most serious genocide in history, in terms of the percentage of human beings exterminated was the Noahic flood. The Bible relates that the entire human race was destroyed with the exception of 8 people: Noah, his three sons and their wives.SIN!!!

The creation of a Hell where unsaved people will be tortured for all eternity for thought crimes -- i.e. for having the wrong religious beliefs. SIN!!!!

The set of laws that God gave to the ancient Hebrews includes condoning and regulating human slavery; executing religious minorities, gays, non-virgin brides, disrespectful children; allowing the enforced marriage and rape of female prisoners of war, etc. SIN!!!

Once again, it comes down to your choice, your free will.

HAHAHa....
*Lights Bong*
God knew i would do that....NO FREE WILL.

I believe what He's done. I have no guilt or pain in life and no fear of death.

Neither do i in fact i see death as freedom.
But if their is a god hes gonna have his hands full when i arrive.

Nigel Christ! You can explain things eloquently

In response to nitroxite,

Aetheists say that a perfect, loving God must create a universe that is perfect. Nowhere does the Bible state that the universe was created to be perfect. God Himself called it "good" and "very good," but never "perfect." In fact, God Himself stated that part of the original creation was "not good." The Bible states that the current universe is not perfect, but was designed to be temporary and will be replaced with a perfect universe that will be permanent. Science also tells us that the universe was designed to be temporary.

Why would God create an imperfect, temporary universe only to replace it later with a perfect one? Why wouldn't God have created a perfect universe in the first place? This is a good question, but shows a lack of understanding of the biblical reason of why God created the universe. One can find the reason for the creation of the universe in the first few chapters of the Bible. God created humans in order to have a personal relationship with them, which He had with Adam and Eve before they sinned (Genesis 2). Jesus said that the first and foremost commandment was to "Love the Lord your God..."A personal relationship, characterized by the possibility of love, is only possible if created beings are given free will. If God had created the universe with no possibility of evil or sin, then the created beings would have had no free will, and, as such, would essentially be programmed computers. Such beings would be incapable of love, since love involves making a choice - which requires the ability to choose not to love. For example, I can program my computer to say "I love you" when it starts up. Does this mean that the computer really loves me? Of course not! Likewise, God could have programmed humans to say that they loved Him, without the possibility of rejecting Him or performing evil deeds. However, these programmed beings would exhibit about as much true love as my computer - not a very satisfying relationship. Therefore, God created the universe for the express purpose of allowing free will spiritual beings the opportunity to have fellowship with Him (and likewise, reject Him).

God's purposes in creating the universe go beyond merely creating free will beings that love Him in this temporary universe. Jesus explained the ultimate goal of God in the parable of the banquet:

Jesus replied: "A certain man [representing God] was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, 'Come, for everything is now ready.' But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, 'I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.' Another said, 'I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I'm on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.' Still another said, 'I just got married, so I can't come.' The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.' 'Sir,' the servant said, 'what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.' Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full. (Luke 14:16-23)

Therefore, God wants not only a relationship with all humans in this universe, but also in His future, perfect creation. If God's purpose is to have relationships with free will beings in a future creation, then there must be a means by which these beings can make a choice to enter or not enter into this relationship. The means by which we make this choice is exactly the message of the Bible.

Therefore, the Bible says that God allows temporary, bounded evil in order to allow free will beings to have the ability to love and to make choices. I am going to propose something which seems to support that atheists' arguments regarding evil. I agree that there is a lot of evil in the world. In fact, I think that there is too much evil in the world to be explained by naturalistic processes. The fact is that there is too much evil in the world to be explained by chaos theory or the laws of physics. Evolution provides no answers to explain the vast amount of evil done by mankind. None of the other creatures on our planet have the capacity for evil that mankind does. No other mammals kill arbitrarily. They only kill to eat and survive - but not mankind.

Aetheists also make the assumption that all pain, suffering, and death is bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive. For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.

All people will suffer at least somewhat because of bad choices that others make. In addition, because of the temporary nature of the universe, some bad things will happen to us due to "bad luck" or chance. However, these things will teach us to be more sensitive to the needs of others, and will prepare us to show God's love to others when they suffer through similar things. God wants us to learn from this life, not just have a party.

This post was mostly derived from www.godandscience.org

At 8/28/05 04:00 PM, McHutch wrote: Nigel Christ! You can explain things eloquently

Why thank you.

*Blushes*

At 8/28/05 07:02 PM, SilentObserver wrote: Aetheists say that a perfect, loving God must create a universe that is perfect.

Or at least create a loving world...
If he doesnt want to make a world of happiness then he is evil.

Nowhere does the Bible state that the universe was created to be perfect. God Himself called it "good" and "very good," but never "perfect." In fact, God Himself stated that part of the original creation was "not good." The Bible states that the current universe is not perfect, but was designed to be temporary and will be replaced with a perfect universe that will be permanent. Science also tells us that the universe was designed to be temporary.

First off i never said anything about a perfect world,what im saying is that he is evil for the game that he plays everyday with the mind of man.This test we endure on this "Temporary" earth(a fake reality if thats the case) a matrix of lies as the people cry and he sits on his thrown of power allowing pain and suffering with the passing hours thus he is evil.Oh and the garden of eden was perfect,maybe god felt like saying good instead of perfect but it was perfect as a matter of fact the bible says that eden is the closest image of heaven it will be eden all over again in heaven.

Such beings would be incapable of love, since love involves making a choice - which requires the ability to choose not to love. For example, I can program my computer to say "I love you" when it starts up. Does this mean that the computer really loves me? Of course not! Likewise, God could have programmed humans to say that they loved Him, without the possibility of rejecting Him or performing evil deeds. However, these programmed beings would exhibit about as much true love as my computer - not a very satisfying relationship. Therefore, God created the universe for the express purpose of allowing free will spiritual beings the opportunity to have fellowship with Him (and likewise, reject Him).

But he knew the very nature of man was to reject him,thus catapulting us into a future of perpetual sin and overload of greed.Im not saying that god allows these things because if he dint it would break free will, im stating that these disasters and tragedies occur under the eye of god.How can free will be more important than absolute happiness.Hey if im a computer in paradise ill choose to stay that way because well its paradise.He creates and already knows who will accept and who will refuse his word still he goes on creating damned souls.Thus....evil.

"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." (Genesis 7:4)

He was displeased with man so he decided to kill everyone right?I thought he was all loving.If he loves the sinners but hates the sin, why not kill the sin instead of the sinners?

Therefore, God wants not only a relationship with all humans in this universe, but also in His future, perfect creation. If God's purpose is to have relationships with free will beings in a future creation, then there must be a means by which these beings can make a choice to enter or not enter into this relationship. The means by which we make this choice is exactly the message of the Bible.

It is the gift of free will that allows me to question god a gift given to be by god but if used im damned.If we use freewill, but not how God wants us to use it, we are severely punished.So do we really have freewill?People do not have freewill because they are living how they think God wants them to live... NOT living how they want to live. He taunts us with free will and for this he is evil.

The fact is that there is too much evil in the world to be explained by chaos theory or the laws of physics. Evolution provides no answers to explain the vast amount of evil done by mankind. None of the other creatures on our planet have the capacity for evil that mankind does. No other mammals kill arbitrarily. They only kill to eat and survive - but not mankind.

So whats your point?Yes there is evil caused by man who is the reflection of god.God is perfect right?So how is man so flawed? If something is perfect(God), nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by his own creation.

Aetheists also make the assumption that all pain, suffering, and death is bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive. For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.

WTF!!! Im finding it very hard to answer this truly stupid statement.Im not even gettting into this because what was just said there was a joke.Find a better rebuttal.All ill say is this,when he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans,a perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is plain evil.To create a eternal fire prison for those that do not follow his word even though were encouraged to have free thought is evil.GOD IS EVIL.

All people will suffer at least somewhat because of bad choices that others make.

Ok but dont you think its been long enough.Im not adam god doesnt know what i would have done(O wait yes he does)All im saying god needs to chill, for the all loving merciful one he sure can hold a grudge against his own creation.

In addition, because of the temporary nature of the universe, some bad things will happen to us due to "bad luck" or chance. However, these things will teach us to be more sensitive to the needs of others, and will prepare us to show God's love to others when they suffer through similar things. God wants us to learn from this life, not just have a party.

Why not infuse all man with this knowledge prior to birth and skip all the games.He likes to see man squirm under the watchful eye of the commandments.EVIL.

"When you talk to god your praying,but if god talks to you your insane"-Nitro

At 8/4/05 11:33 AM, billytheradponi wrote: Man is evil, he is greedy, savage and never thinks before he acts, the Bible also states that man is an image through God (or something like that) so God is evil too.

Image does not reflect the free will The Bible states we were given.

He also has powers over Earth doesn't he? Well why does he let us continue to slaughter each other, the same goes for the other Gods (that have the power to stop our killing) why don't they stop it, because there evil.

Possibly because he can see negative consequences in everything,. Also, because of the whole free will thing.

Not that I believe in free will. I am also not religious (nor am I an Atheist), I don't see god as an issue of importance.

wow this is weird before i posted here about wheter or not there is a god and now ironically my parents are trying to make me go in to a catholic school how weird!!!

At 8/29/05 12:01 PM, problemchild1 wrote: wow this is weird before i posted here about wheter or not there is a god and now ironically my parents are trying to make me go in to a catholic school how weird!!!

NO!!!!!!!!! Dont do it.

At 8/28/05 07:02 PM, SilentObserver wrote:

Aetheists also make the assumption that all pain, suffering, and death is bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive. For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.

You seem to forget the whole "All powerful" thing.. See since he was all powerful he could have made us so that we didnt take damage or recieve physical, or mental pain..... Youu seem to forget his omnipotence and omniscience in all your post... Just think to yourself when someone makes a statement about how something God did was evil, and you get rady to reply by saying it did it because blah blah blah blah.. Just think.. since he is omnipotent couldnt he have created a work around for that problem.. and yes of course he could Because he's all powerful and all knowing.. No matter what reason you give for there needing to be suffering, temptation, hell, etc He could have fixed it and not lost anything in the process even if it seems impossible, because the bible said he is capable of the impossible....