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At 8/4/05 11:33 AM, billytheradponi wrote: I know you will all probably hate me for this, but I have to say that I believe God (you know the Christian one) after learning about him in RS (hours of bordem) I have come to believe he is evil...
Man is evil, he is greedy, savage and never thinks before he acts, the Bible also states that man is an image through God (or something like that) so God is evil too. He also has powers over Earth doesn't he? Well why does he let us continue to slaughter each other, the same goes for the other Gods (that have the power to stop our killing) why don't they stop it, because there evil. Sorry to say it, but they are my views and if anyone wants to argue you can email me or talk on msn here:billytheradponi@hotmail.com

he wont stop us fighting because he believes we must learn from our own mistakes!! if man is stupid enough to keep on fighting then that means that we STILL have not learnt from our mistakes!!!!!

excuse me it im repeating someone i only read like 10 post but i think god is evil for making us sit though church. i havent gone for 9 years and all of a sudden my mom is making me go and it is soooo boring. it is just horible because i feel awquerd (sp) the whole time and when the go up to have the wine and bread i have to sit all alone in the pews since i never had a cumunion.

i just think that there is no god. the bible seems kinda ilogical that jesus can walk on water and all of man kind came from a single man who gave up part of him self to create a woman and they lived in a magic garden. i belive in the whole like belive that u can do it and you will get curorga but some of the stuff is just imposble. i KNOW that i cant walk on water because of science not god built me that way.

At 8/16/05 02:42 PM, hrhomsar wrote: excuse me it im repeating someone i only read like 10 post but i think god is evil for making us sit though church. i havent gone for 9 years and all of a sudden my mom is making me go and it is soooo boring. it is just horible because i feel awquerd (sp) the whole time and when the go up to have the wine and bread i have to sit all alone in the pews since i never had a cumunion.

So... God is evil for making you go to church. But then later its your mom making you go. This is a self-contradiction and is completely illogical. Just below you say the Bible is illogical. So you accuse the Bible of being what you are and say its a bad thing! Hypocrite.
And if you go to church just for bread and wine then you probably don't know what church is really about.

i just think that there is no god. the bible seems kinda ilogical that jesus can walk on water and all of man kind came from a single man who gave up part of him self to create a woman and they lived in a magic garden. i belive in the whole like belive that u can do it and you will get curorga but some of the stuff is just imposble. i KNOW that i cant walk on water because of science not god built me that way.

You don't believe that man came from one man,.,. so I'll assume you believe in evolution. Is it really more logical to believe that man came from some primordial soup bacteria? Man - man, bacteria - man... one seems more logical than the other.
And also you must not have paid very much attention when you read Genesis. (if you read it at all.) Adam didn't give up apart of himself to create woman. GOD took one of his ribs and reated woman. Not the other way around.
What does science say about humans walking on water? I've never seen a paper on it. But the way you spoke about it was a very poor 'arguement.' The same science could explain why animals like spiders can walk on water. You can't walk on water because of something you DON'T have.

At 8/4/05 06:09 PM, gary_percival wrote:

At 8/4/05 06:08 PM, darknezz1 wrote: Well god (if he exists) isn't evil, his followers are. All they do is eat grass every morning, maybe drink some water then go to sleep.

so your calling christians cows?

They prefer to be called sheep.

At 8/16/05 03:17 PM, afliXion wrote: So... God is evil for making you go to church. But then later its your mom making you go.

yes my mom is making me go but it is parshaly gods falt for church in the first place

And if you go to church just for bread and wine then you probably don't know what church is really about.

i obviously dont go to chuch for just bread and wine because i cant have any.

And also you must not have paid very much attention when you read Genesis. (if you read it at all.) Adam didn't give up apart of himself to create woman. GOD took one of his ribs and reated woman. Not the other way around.

So! it still saying that the human race only started out as a single man but the obvious dna resemblese with human and apes has nothing to do with that

What does science say about humans walking on water? I've never seen a paper on it. But the way you spoke about it was a very poor 'arguement.' The same science could explain why animals like spiders can walk on water. You can't walk on water because of something you DON'T have.

I never said that bugs and stuff like that couldnt walk on water. I was saying that is scientifcly impossible for humans to walk on water based on our moulecular structure. and
youve never seen a paper on it because there wouldnt be take that much to convince people that it is imposible to walk on water just because we belive we can.

At 8/16/05 03:43 PM, hrhomsar wrote: I never said that bugs and stuff like that couldnt walk on water. I was saying that is scientifcly impossible for humans to walk on water based on our moulecular structure. and
youve never seen a paper on it because there wouldnt be take that much to convince people that it is imposible to walk on water just because we belive we can.

True, but the biggest problem with religious stories (and many followers, and non-religious people) Is that is no way to prove or disprove that god does or does not exist. Or that he or she can/cannot change the rules.

For the sake of argument, according to the believers: "god made the earth, creatures, man etc etc" so it WOULD make some sense for him to be able to modify any person or anything at any given time, to his whim. LOGIC and physics as we understand it says that's impossible...but once again, it all goes back to the fact that we cannot totally prove or disprove the existance of god or any higher power, or even the ability to modify time and space ourselves.

And quite frankly, the universe is a major mystery. They say it was created by the big bang...that's good. But what came before then? And before that? Who or what caused it? Who created them/it? Something from nothing? You could blow a mental fuse thinking about all of that shit, it really is honestly better not to.

At 8/16/05 03:43 PM, hrhomsar wrote:

At 8/16/05 03:17 PM, afliXion wrote: So... God is evil for making you go to church. But then later its your mom making you go.

yes my mom is making me go but it is parshaly gods falt for church in the first place

Na, its your fault. If you didn't exist, then no one could make you go.

And if you go to church just for bread and wine then you probably don't know what church is really about.

i obviously dont go to chuch for just bread and wine because i cant have any.

lol. then what do you go for?

And also you must not have paid very much attention when you read Genesis. (if you read it at all.) Adam didn't give up apart of himself to create woman. GOD took one of his ribs and reated woman. Not the other way around.

So! it still saying that the human race only started out as a single man but the obvious dna resemblese with human and apes has nothing to do with that

Heh. The octopuses eye is the closest thing to the human eye in the entire animal kingdom. So I guess we got our eyes from them. (/sarcasm)

What does science say about humans walking on water? I've never seen a paper on it. But the way you spoke about it was a very poor 'arguement.' The same science could explain why animals like spiders can walk on water. You can't walk on water because of something you DON'T have.

I never said that bugs and stuff like that couldnt walk on water. I was saying that is scientifcly impossible for humans to walk on water based on our moulecular structure. and
youve never seen a paper on it because there wouldnt be take that much to convince people that it is imposible to walk on water just because we belive we can.

Be more specific next time then. :p

great argument afliXion wat ever im not going to argue with a religion fanatic.

5 Years Ago I Was Hate-Filled Towards Strangers & Loved Ones Alike. I Used Drugs, Sold Drugs, Stole, & Hurt Others. Years Later I'm Total Opposite, I Love Everyone, Even If They Hate Me For Whatever Reason. I Haven't Touched A Drug In 5 Years & Never Will Again. Jeez, God Is So Evil To Have Given Me A New Heart & To Have Filled Me With So Much Joy, How Dare He! Maybe If You Took The Time To Know Him, The Real God. Not The One You Heard About From Your Friend, TV, Or The One You Made Up... You'd Know The Truth. You Don't Have To Roam In Ignorance Forever, I'll Be Praying For You Kats.

At 8/16/05 03:17 PM, afliXion wrote:

At 8/16/05 02:42 PM, hrhomsar wrote:

So... God is evil for making you go to church. But then later its your mom making you go. This is a self-contradiction and is completely illogical.

Speaking of illogical contradictions:
Church speaks of the choices that we must face each day and the eternal struggle of good and evil of right and wrong and how god gave us life and the power to choose how we live our lives,but god is all knowing and has seen all before it happpens so then how is their freewill how are we to do good if its all predetermined...makes no sense.God's knowing what we will choose is a function of his omnipresence since he is in all places all the time. To deny that God is all knowing, even of the choices we make, is to deny his omnipetence and reduce God's nature to something more like ourselves, which is a sin in itself.

Just below you say the Bible is illogical. So you accuse the Bible of being what you are and say its a bad thing! Hypocrite.

Hypocracy....

The church has been involved in numerous bank scandals*Cough*(which included money laundering for the Mafia).Theres also mysterious assasinations of progressive people(Albino lucino)that wanted to make the church more accountable(Brilliant idea)
for the world and spend the Churchs unbelievably large reverse of money on feeding and helping the poor.Now correct me if im wrong but isnt the church supposed to be doing these good things.The church is not the house of god the world is his home and we dont need some building representing it if the church converted all of them into public, low income housing and shelters as well as selling all their assets they could do so much good...But do they?No the church is their to suck out mans inner sense of spirituality...the energy that lies within us.The church has been filled with nothing but evil and corruption for hundreds of years...OMFG they used to take bribes and guarantee people a place in heaven in the afterlife.Shit the church split in two becuase they couldnt see eye to eye is this the unity that religion speaks of...Now sure, im gonna get the same answer which is that the corruption is brought by man into the church...but what is man but a reflection of god...so gee what does that say about are allmighty all knowing all loving god....that he is malovent evil and as we are all born with natural sin maybe its becuase it comes from our maker...not that i believe in him anyway its all for arguments sake.

And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. (Matthew 21:13)

Shit i dint even mention those sick sadistic little boy loving beast we call priest....

And if you go to church just for bread and wine then you probably don't know what church is really about.

The blood of christ is what its all about man thats some good pinot...
*Sips from a stolen bottle of a nearby congregation*

You tell me what its all about...for now ill say its about hypocracy

You don't believe that man came from one man,.,. so I'll assume you believe in evolution. Is it really more logical to believe that man came from some primordial soup bacteria? Man - man, bacteria - man... one seems more logical than the other.

Have you actually studied evolution even with all its flaws its still seems more logical than god making adam out of dust and breathing air into his lungs.Hahaha yea thats realistic...look at our laws of science. Evolution isnt set in stonel like some long lost commandments it can be questioned(unlike religion)and proven or disproven through actual methods that can be believed instead of blind faith.

And also you must not have paid very much attention when you read Genesis. (if you read it at all.) Adam didn't give up apart of himself to create woman. GOD took one of his ribs and reated woman. Not the other way around.

Does this really seem possible to you?

Can you tell me about the thousands of other faiths religions and beliefs of the world whose to say which is right.

What does science say about humans walking on water? I've never seen a paper on it. But the way you spoke about it was a very poor 'arguement.' The same science could explain why animals like spiders can walk on water. You can't walk on water because of something you DON'T have.

So are you saying jesus was like some kinda spider dude half holy savior and messiah half arachnid....Kool...maybe now ill start believing.Spidey jesus rocks!!!!

At 8/17/05 04:27 AM, nitroxide wrote:

"Have you actually studied evolution even with all its flaws its still seems more logical than god making adam out of dust and breathing air into his lungs. Hahaha yea thats realistic...look at our laws of science."

Everyone Laughed At The Right Brothers & Told Them To Get Real, When They Said They'd Fly & Create What We Now Call The Airplane (Just One Of A Million Examples Of The Doubts & Disbelief Of Mankind Throughout The Beginning Of Existance).

The Logic Of Man Differs From God's Logic... That's Why Human's With Little Faith/No Faith Can't Even Fathom His Power. Come On, He Walked On Water & Some People Can't Even Swim. That's Pretty Impressive, Whether You Believe It Or Not, Everyones Gotta See With Their Eyes These Days. If People Had A Little Faith They Would Beable To Witness Some Miracles As I & Many Others Have. To Paraphrase A Quote From Darwin Himself, "I Just Threw The Idea Of Evolution Out There, The Idea That People Clang To It Like A Full Blown Religion Is Absurd." Do Some Research On The Guy, The So Called 'Creator' Of Evolution Doesn't Even Have Much Faith In His Own Theory. Study Theology & Study Some Of The Greatest Scientific Minds Ever, You'd Be Suprised About Their Personal Beliefs & Opinions About 'God.'

At 8/17/05 04:47 AM, Five3 wrote:

At 8/17/05 04:27 AM, nitroxide wrote:

Everyone Laughed At The Right Brothers & Told Them To Get Real, When They Said They'd Fly & Create What We Now Call The Airplane (Just One Of A Million Examples Of The Doubts & Disbelief Of Mankind Throughout The Beginning Of Existance).

Umm...whats your point?

The Logic Of Man Differs From God's Logic... That's Why Human's With Little Faith/No Faith Can't Even Fathom His Power.

Or maybe we dont feed into the everyday bullshit that most others so blindly follow.Of course if i had faith i could believe all the incredibly absurd stories of his power becuase there would be a great need for me to believe in these tales without it faith would crumble.

Come On, He Walked On Water & Some People Can't Even Swim. That's Pretty Impressive,

That wasnt god it was jesus i thought you being a believer should know that.

Whether You Believe It Or Not, Everyones Gotta See With Their Eyes These Days. If People Had A Little Faith They Would Beable To Witness Some Miracles As I & Many Others Have. To Paraphrase A Quote From Darwin Himself, "I Just Threw The Idea Of Evolution Out There, The Idea That People Clang To It Like A Full Blown Religion Is Absurd." Do Some Research On The Guy, The So Called 'Creator' Of Evolution Doesn't Even Have Much Faith In His Own Theory. Study Theology & Study Some Of The Greatest Scientific Minds Ever, You'd Be Suprised About Their Personal Beliefs & Opinions About 'God.'

Evolution isnt what is being questioned here.
Im an atheist and i dont believe in evolution.Only becuase its still not proven but im sure ill find it easier to believe in it once theres proof as far as proof of god...HAhahaha!!!

At 8/16/05 04:00 AM, grenade_launcher69 wrote: he wont stop us fighting because he believes we must learn from our own mistakes!! if man is stupid enough to keep on fighting then that means that we STILL have not learnt from our mistakes!!!!!

How many times does the same man (or woman) go into battle, if at all? Once.

You talk like humans are a whole, and only have one brain. Bzzt, wrong. A good example of seeing deeper into conflicts would be to watch Princess Mononoke, as that has a battle, and yet everyone is fighting for what they beleive is right, or what could help their civilisation. They don't fight for the sake of it, ever. If it were as simple as to just "learn from our mistakes" then surely the world would be perfect.
Your dream when you grow up is different from someone else, same applies to countries, and they fight for what they need or beleive in.

In a sentence, it is practically impossible to learn from another person's mistakes, because you all have different goals.

At 8/17/05 04:27 AM, nitroxide wrote:

At 8/16/05 03:17 PM, afliXion wrote:

At 8/16/05 02:42 PM, hrhomsar wrote:

So... God is evil for making you go to church. But then later its your mom making you go. This is a self-contradiction and is completely illogical.

Speaking of illogical contradictions:
Church speaks of the choices that we must face each day and the eternal struggle of good and evil of right and wrong and how god gave us life and the power to choose how we live our lives,but god is all knowing and has seen all before it happpens so then how is their freewill how are we to do good if its all predetermined...makes no sense.God's knowing what we will choose is a function of his omnipresence since he is in all places all the time. To deny that God is all knowing, even of the choices we make, is to deny his omnipetence and reduce God's nature to something more like ourselves, which is a sin in itself.

heh.... when i think back to all the people I heard use this arguement this summer...
well its about 7:00 in the morning here so work with me.
Just because God is all knowing that doesn't automatically mean we have no free will.
Lets get the arguement straight: 'If God knows what we are going to choose we have no free will.' To me this is a self defeating statement. Even from the arguement it says 'we are going to choose.' So it is a plan fact that if we are going to choose something, we must still have free will to choose whatever we want, but God knows what WE will choose.
God knowing doesn't make any difference. For example: My mom knows that I would rather have butterfinger icecream than any other desert. Once I was given the choice she already knew what I wanted. So my mom knowing ahead of time had no effect on me freely choosing the icecream.
If your not sastified with that (and I imagine you won't be) then there are several other answers. For example: If it truly is impossible to know the choices of a free being, then it could be thatGod's omnipotence means He knows the consequenses to all of our actions.
Read some C.S. Lewis or something.

The church has been involved in numerous bank scandals*Cough*

And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. (Matthew 21:13)

Shit i dint even mention those sick sadistic little boy loving beast we call priest....

Now it all makes sense. Your talking about Catholics. Surely you don't really believe that what the catholic church does is a reflection of God..... Anyway most churches now a days aren't any good. And I know what you said was true. It makes me sick. Not even churches today uphold the authority of God's word. But just because a church does something that doesn't mean its endorsed by God.
Ephesians 5:11
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

And if you go to church just for bread and wine then you probably don't know what church is really about.

The blood of christ is what its all about man thats some good pinot...
*Sips from a stolen bottle of a nearby congregation*

I'd say its more about the Resurection.

You don't believe that man came from one man,.,. so I'll assume you believe in evolution. Is it really more logical to believe that man came from some primordial soup bacteria? Man - man, bacteria - man... one seems more logical than the other.

Have you actually studied evolution even with all its flaws its still seems more logical than god making adam out of dust and breathing air into his lungs.Hahaha yea thats realistic...look at our laws of science. Evolution isnt set in stonel like some long lost commandments it can be questioned(unlike religion)and proven or disproven through actual methods that can be believed instead of blind faith.

Yes I've done some reading on evolution. Evolution makes many assumptions about the unobservable past. Those assumptions are not testable sense we can not reproduce what the past was really like. Evolutionists even go ahead and assume what the earth and its living conditions were like at the beginning. This is can not be tested or proven or anything by observational science. Its called faith.

And also you must not have paid very much attention when you read Genesis. (if you read it at all.) Adam didn't give up apart of himself to create woman. GOD took one of his ribs and reated woman. Not the other way around.

Does this really seem possible to you?

Yes....

Can you tell me about the thousands of other faiths religions and beliefs of the world whose to say which is right.

Well there are numerous other views on evolution, whose to say which is right.

And also you must not have paid very much attention when you read Genesis. (if you read it at all.) Adam didn't give up apart of himself to create woman. GOD took one of his ribs and reated woman. Not the other way around.

Does this really seem possible to you?

Yes....

why is this possible. because a book said so. the bible may be right some of the time but so was Nostradomus(sp? dont care) but he also said that the world was going to end in 2012 wich most people r pretty sure isnt going to happen. same thing with the bible, its right some of the time and other times its completly ilogical.

do u have proof that god and jesus exists. beside coinsidinces do u have SOLID proof that they arent just there as long as people belive.

At 8/17/05 08:08 AM, afliXion wrote: Lets get the arguement straight: 'If God knows what we are going to choose we have no free will.' To me this is a self defeating statement. Even from the arguement it says 'we are going to choose.

Yes a choice... we will choose but its the outcome that is already written therefore we never had a choice its just following through on what god has already invisoned for us.God knows everyones life and everything and all events of life even before we are concieved and wether we will make these"bad" decisions so why allow the birth of evil?I know...I know to not interfere with freewill well as ive already stated there is no freewill so...why?Why then such greed such hate,such corruption...Because god is evil and that is the true nature of this arguement.

So it is a plan fact that if we are going to choose something, we must still have free will to choose whatever we want, but God knows what WE will choose.
God knowing doesn't make any difference. For example: My mom knows that I would rather have butterfinger icecream than any other desert. Once I was given the choice she already knew what I wanted.

*scrolls ahead*

If your not sastified with that (and I imagine you won't be)

Ok first off your right im not satisfied with that,Your mom knows you like butterfinger icecream simply because she raised you im sure at one point she dint know it was your favorite or prefrence but god already knew what type of icecream would be your choice before YOU WERE BORN therefore you never had a choice.And im sure youve tried other icecream and im possitive she dint know when you suprised her with a diffrent icecream flavor choice but god had already decided long before time that you would choose cookies&cream(or whatever....) over butterfinger one day....and he knew(or maybe made)your choice.So you can see what im getting at.If he knows all he knows the evil and allows it therefore making him evil.

:So my mom knowing ahead of time had no effect on me freely choosing the icecream.

To reduce gods nature to something like ourselves is a sin...Or see ourlseves in any way like god.DAMN more Illogical contradictions...hehehe...

If your not sastified with that (and I imagine you won't be) then there are several other answers. For example: If it truly is impossible to know the choices of a free being, then it could be thatGod's omnipotence means He knows the consequenses to all of our actions.

No...
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.(1 John 3:20).
Not consequences but all things

Read some C.S. Lewis or something.

"To learn about man ill read from man,to learn about god...well god never wrote anything...."-Nitro

"Someday you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again"(preface to The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe)-By C.S. Lewis
Bible=The greatest fairy tale of them all

The church has been involved in numerous bank scandals*Cough*
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. (Matthew 21:13)
Shit i dint even mention those sick sadistic little boy loving beast we call priest....

Now it all makes sense. Your talking about Catholics. Surely you don't really believe that what the catholic church does is a reflection of God.....

Of course not,I never said that i said the people are...
People=evil
People=Reflection of god
So....*drumroll*
God=evil
TADA!!!!

Anyway most churches now a days aren't any good. And I know what you said was true. It makes me sick. Not even churches today uphold the authority of God's word. But just because a church does something that doesn't mean its endorsed by God.

Of course not but it could all be wiped away with one swift strike of his well known vengeful hand but does he? No so i see it as evil if i had the power id prevent it wouldnt you?Or for that matter never create it.Im glad we see eye to eye on the sickness within the church.

I'd say its more about the Resurection.

Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree"
Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree"
Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree"
1 Peter 2:24"who his own self bare our sins in his
own body on the tree"
Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us...
Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"

They dont even know how he truly died yet their gonna tell me about his resurection.
WATCH OUT FOR ZOMBIE JESUS...hehehe come on...for fucks sake.

:Those assumptions are not testable sense we can not reproduce what the past was really like.

It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. I know evolution is fact and theory.

Evolutionists even go ahead and assume what the earth and its living conditions were like at the beginning. This is can not be tested or proven or anything by observational science. Its called faith.

Blind faith...Just like religion evolution is tainted,i know it i never said i believed in it.But isnt religion also assuming what the world was like in the begining?

Does this really seem possible to you?

Yes....

HAHAHAHA!!!!! Blind faith sure does go a long way these days...LOL...HAHAHA!!!
*catches breath*
*Wipes tears*

THE ANSWER TO THE TIME THING:

nitroxide, don't argue with things you don't understand! You, and the rest of creation, being able to only see only ONE "moving" point in time (with only a vauge memory of the past), have no idea about the true nature of time. God, having created time, lives outside of it. This of course means he knows absolutley everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen. BUT the way I like to think of time is NOT as a one dimentional TIMELINE which is history as we know it, but as infinetley "expanding."

Allow me to explain. let's say you wake up tommorow and decide to hit your alarm clock. You could hit it in X place, or you use a slightly different motion and hit it one atom to the left of X. So basically, for every infinitesimal amount of time, there are INFINITE probabilities/possibilities. Whichever one you FREELY choose, God will know. So God knows absolutely EVERY singe possibility of the way the world could run. NOBODY can comprehend the sheer, staggering level of infinity that is involved with knowing INFINITE probabilities for every INFINITE possible moment. That is, nobody but God.

Right now, you are changing that infinity of time; if you choose to move your thumb slightly, that has created another infinite probability that the simple, one dimensional timeline has "gone through."

I have explained this the best I can.
Now of course it is impossible to prove all this, but it is the most likely theory I have.

Please tell me if you understand, and what you think about it.

At 8/16/05 03:17 PM, afliXion wrote:

You don't believe that man came from one man,.,. so I'll assume you believe in evolution. Is it really more logical to believe that man came from some primordial soup bacteria? Man - man, bacteria - man... one seems more logical than the other.

Okay let us for a moment look at the development of a human in the first nine months of conception.. He starts out as a single celled organism, then he becomes a multicellula organism. at one point he is ecto thermic, and at one point he has gills.... Now if a single celled organsim can change that much in nine months, you can onoy imagine what millions of years can do..... BTW I think that protozoa were first not bacteria hence the name Proto(first) Zoa(animal)........ As for evolution having proof There is vestigial organs, fossil evidence, etc... The list goes on and on and I se no evidence for an "ADAM"... Ive went off on a new topic that dosen't pertain to this thhresad and for that I am sorry, but I just wwanted to share my two cents on this....

At 8/17/05 04:47 AM, Five3 wrote:

The Logic Of Man Differs From God's Logic... That's Why Human's With Little Faith/No Faith Can't Even Fathom His Power. Come On, He Walked On Water & Some People Can't Even Swim. That's Pretty Impressive, Whether You Believe It Or Not, Everyones Gotta See With Their Eyes These Days. If People Had A Little Faith They Would Beable To Witness Some Miracles As I & Many Others Have. To Paraphrase A Quote From Darwin Himself, "I Just Threw The Idea Of Evolution Out There, The Idea That People Clang To It Like A Full Blown Religion Is Absurd." Do Some Research On The Guy, The So Called 'Creator' Of Evolution Doesn't Even Have Much Faith In His Own Theory. Study Theology & Study Some Of The Greatest Scientific Minds Ever, You'd Be Suprised About Their Personal Beliefs & Opinions About 'God.'

IF you werent blind to the miraclwes of te hindu gods you would see their greatness.... If it wasnt for your lack of faith in them you could see their true power// But you dont believe in them... So why should you have faith in them? I'll bet that is yourr response and now the atheistss response.. We dont believe in any god.. So why should we have faith in them??? Us having faith in your god makes as much sense as you having faith in hindu gods(BTW I Know nothing of hindu dieties or how to spell that word....)..... And why do you have faith in your GOd and not HIndu Gods.. Im guessing one of two reasons.. Either you were raised that way.. or You needed an answer, didnt want to study science books and picked it because it was the most convient large scale rreeligion...... Or possibly because you were afraid of not beliving.... And if you reply to this I want your first statement to be about why your religion is any more valid than the hindu ones.... (BTW again I apologize for going off the topic of the thread...)

Here's something a bit more novel:
G-d is absolutely evil. He creates this awesome world in five days. He creates tons of flora and fauna, and everything coexists nicely. Then he creates this dude he calls "Adam." He makes him flawed, just for fun. Just because He's a dick, He tells Adam, that even though He created everything that walketh long before Adam existed, Adam still has the right to fuck up the wonderful order of things that was set in place. That's right. The new dude gets power over everybody other than the big man. Then Adam and his bitch, because they were flawed, disobeyed G-d, and now are kicked out of the garden of Eden. Guess what happens next? They're still told they're able to fuck with the rest of the world. Did anything else he create say, "Dude, why does the disobedient little shit get all the power? We didn't do anything, and now he gets to kill us all? What are you smoking?" no, it didn't. If they could have, would G-d have given two shits? Evidently not. Then, following G-d's order to have dominion over the land and such--to subdue the earth, he fucks up the environment, causes global warming, debases the regenerative capacity of the land he fucks up, which, in combination with the population explosions from agriculture and industrialization, sets him and all his spawn up for mass starvation in the future...
That's right. Now He is laughing as one of his creations knocks up everything else he made, only to realize that they just screwed themselves over beyond beleif. Now what does that make Him?
:)
I aplologize for the profanity, which there is quite a lot of. Although I didn't profane the name of your deity. Odd...

Man what a bunch of whiners! Everyone hates god, why, cause everyone is going to die? Your life sucks? Stop It! You all make me SICK! Ahhhhh!!!

But seriously for a minute, All people do is complain that it's god's fault for all the woes in the world. Get over it! Getting into hevean ain't a free ticket you gotta earn it! And you sure as hell hell can't get in when you complain about th owner! What is wrong with you people?

Ah screw it you all can sit in hell, not my problem.

NO! HE IS GOOD! GOD WILL SAVE YOUR HEATHEN SOULS!

At 8/16/05 04:00 AM, grenade_launcher69 wrote: he wont stop us fighting because he believes we must learn from our own mistakes!! if man is stupid enough to keep on fighting then that means that we STILL have not learnt from our mistakes!!!!!

How many times does the same man (or woman) go into battle, if at all? Once.
How many times has a COUNTRY gone to war with ARMIES of people..... answer that?

They don't fight for the sake of it, ever. If it were as simple as to just "learn from our mistakes" then surely the world would be perfect.
but it still isnt so whats your point.....

In a sentence, it is practically impossible to learn from another person's mistakes, because you all have different goals.

i didnt say you learn from OTHER peoples mistakes you learn from your own, whether you are a political leader or even a normal citizen if you make a mistake you are more than likely not going to make that mistake again now ill you...

At 8/18/05 03:41 AM, Family_Guy_Is_Gay wrote: NO! HE IS GOOD! GOD WILL SAVE YOUR HEATHEN SOULS!

That is assuming there is one. I much rather bounce between considering it's real and considering if it's fake. I don't want a huge argument out of this, but really no-one has ever proved with solid evidence that he exists. And there are other religions just as large, so how were they created? In reality, the odds of christianity being correct is the same as something I imagine here and now.
Ok, I said I didn't want an argument out of this but re-reading it I expect I will get one.

At 8/18/05 03:38 AM, SuperSaiya-jinGuy wrote: Man what a bunch of whiners! Everyone hates god, why, cause everyone is going to die? Your life sucks? Stop It! You all make me SICK! Ahhhhh!!!

But seriously for a minute, All people do is complain that it's god's fault for all the woes in the world. Get over it! Getting into hevean ain't a free ticket you gotta earn it! And you sure as hell hell can't get in when you complain about th owner! What is wrong with you people?

Ah screw it you all can sit in hell, not my problem.

Everyone has a reason everything they do. If you were to try prove this wrong by doing something random then the reason for that would be because I said so. Most of these things we also think are the right thing to do, no matter what anyone else thinks. You would have a really low self esteem if you think you will go to hell. If someone bullies you, I'm sure they don't say "oh dang, i'm gonna go to hell now" because they really don't notice. Basically, pretty much everyone goes to heaven, and your opinion won't change that.

Life is about choices and obstacles. We are given the free will to make our own choices, and to figure out ways to overcome these obstacles. If God answered every little prayer when we are fully capable of dealing with it ourselves, then what would be the point of our existence?

You can't ask God to mess with free will. You can't have it both ways, you either have free will, or you have no will at all. I for one wouldn't enjoy being a puppet.

At 8/18/05 04:24 AM, grenade_launcher69 wrote: How many times has a COUNTRY gone to war with ARMIES of people..... answer that?

They don't fight for the sake of it, ever. If it were as simple as to just "learn from our mistakes" then surely the world would be perfect.
but it still isnt so whats your point.....

That whole countries cannot learn from mistakes because it is not the same people running it each time.

i didnt say you learn from OTHER peoples mistakes you learn from your own, whether you are a political leader or even a normal citizen if you make a mistake you are more than likely not going to make that mistake again now ill you...

Ah, but how many political leaders in the last 100 years have fought more than once? Countries cannot learn as a whole! It isn't like there is a midget in an office who scribbles down all the mistakes the country has made is it? People only have a noticable opinion for about 30 years (aged 20 ish to 50 ish) and an active memory for about 15 years before that. So really it only works out as a max of 45 years memory, and after that it has been forgotten and measures will not be taken to ensure that it doesn't happen again. And if it doesn't affect the country who is on the offensive (if it is overseas) then you can only guarantee about 5-10 years of peace.

At 8/18/05 01:41 AM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

At 8/17/05 04:47 AM, Five3 wrote:

The Logic Of Man Differs From God's Logic... That's Why Human's With Little Faith/No Faith Can't Even Fathom His Power. Come On, He Walked On Water & Some People Can't Even Swim. That's Pretty Impressive, Whether You Believe It Or Not, Everyones Gotta See With Their Eyes These Days. If People Had A Little Faith They Would Beable To Witness Some Miracles As I & Many Others Have. To Paraphrase A Quote From Darwin Himself, "I Just Threw The Idea Of Evolution Out There, The Idea That People Clang To It Like A Full Blown Religion Is Absurd." Do Some Research On The Guy, The So Called 'Creator' Of Evolution Doesn't Even Have Much Faith In His Own Theory. Study Theology & Study Some Of The Greatest Scientific Minds Ever, You'd Be Suprised About Their Personal Beliefs & Opinions About 'God.'

IF you werent blind to the miraclwes of te hindu gods you would see their greatness.... If it wasnt for your lack of faith in them you could see their true power// But you dont believe in them... So why should you have faith in them? I'll bet that is yourr response and now the atheistss response.. We dont believe in any god.. So why should we have faith in them??? Us having faith in your god makes as much sense as you having faith in hindu gods(BTW I Know nothing of hindu dieties or how to spell that word....)..... And why do you have faith in your GOd and not HIndu Gods.. Im guessing one of two reasons.. Either you were raised that way.. or You needed an answer, didnt want to study science books and picked it because it was the most convient large scale rreeligion...... Or possibly because you were afraid of not beliving.... And if you reply to this I want your first statement to be about why your religion is any more valid than the hindu ones.... (BTW again I apologize for going off the topic of the thread...)

You're Right Martyr18, I Was Brought Up As A Catholic & Not Hindu, But A Year Ago I Dropped That Title & Now Consider Myself A Christian. As I Found Out The Additional Things Catholism Adds To The Bible. I Consider My Beliefs Valid Over Hinduism Because Many Events In The Bible Are Historically Documented Just Like In Today's History Books: Rome's Rule Over The Jews, The Stories Of Passed Day Egypt, The Fall Of Babylon, Present & Passed Day Prophecy That Has & Continues To Be Fulfilled. If You Study The Bible & History Itself You Would Take Note To These Things. And If You Choose To Dismiss Them As Pure Coincidence, Then That Is Your Choose. Also You Mentioned You Never Looked Into Hinduism, So If You Are Really Curious I'd Tell You To Check It Out. They Believe In 300,000+ gods. They Believe That Things In This World Are In Fact gods, i.e. River Spirits, Animals, Idols, Statues, etc. I've Never Prayed To A River Before, Nor An Animal, Or A Statue, But If I Did I'm Not Sure They'd Ever Respond. I Do Know & Those That Know Me As Well Have Seen My Life Change After I Started A Realtionship With Christ At 17. You Don't Have To Take My Word For It, As I Have Nothing To Gain By Sharing It With You, But I Know I Prayed To Him & That's When Things Started Changing. Anyway, If You Want To Know More Fact Or Even Just My Opinion Feel Free To Hit Me Up. Grace N Peace.

By The Way, Just Cause My Parents Forced Me To Go Church When I Was Growing Up Didn't Make Me A Believer. Just Like Many People Who Claim To Be Christians Today, Or Even Buddhist Or Whatever. If They Ain't Walking The Walk, Which A Majority Don't & They're Just A Bunch Of Hypocrites Or Dirtbags, Then Obviously They Ain't True Believers Of Their Faith. I'm Just Stating This Cause I Wasn't Always Into God. Up To 17 I Did Drugs & Lived The Average Life Of A 'Cool' Teenager. Much Love.

Sometimes, I think Lucifer had the right idea. Then I remember how the whole mess turned out, and I just shake my head in disgust.

*Sigh*