For those that likes my music...

[B0UNC3]

Ok a question for my fans(if there are any on the BBS)

If you are going to say "Switch" just because you litteraly have sex with Reason then please leave.Or if you just hate FL.LEAVE PLEASE

Ok you all know that I am dedicated to FL right?

And that I HAVE tried Reason 2.5 and 3.0.Me and my partner were just chilling n talking like usual then all of a sudden we started talking about Rewiring and Reason 3.0.

Now I haven't been suprised with any Reason users work here (No Offence), but I can't decide...

Should I really switch to Reason or use Rewire with FL or should i stay with FL?

Could my music get any better or not?I can't judge my own stuff so I have to ask you all.

Reason was not 100% my taste but if it would give me a much wider field of music making the I'd take the pain.

Thanks

[Chronamut]

ya we also had this discussion man - each program has its pros and cons - reason's cons being no tempo changing and no vsti support - which woul really hurt you. Even rewired with fl u still can't do tempo changes. That aside tho rewiring together is your best choice.

[B0UNC3]

I'd survive aslong as I can use my VST's

[beatmasterJAG]

-SWITCH-

And I dare to say that I can present you with the finest in Reason songs. I have only used it for a few months and already the possibilities are endless.

If you want a few samples of my Reason work let me know...

[SpamWarrior]

I say rewire, why choose when you can have both?

[B0UNC3]

Ye show me..my email is in my profile

[B0UNC3]

At 8/3/05 07:11 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: I say rewire, why choose when you can have both?

Why rewire with something not 100% comfortable when it really makes no diff?

[NDP]

I personaly liek fl alot, but i just got reason, and im gonna try it out, im prob gonna end up using both to fully work the potential of the programs.

Nicolas...

[SpamWarrior]

To reinforce the point, reason has more dynamic synths included than in with fruity loops from what i've heard, ie the synths are slightly unstable, like a real instrument ie guitar,

EG. The bass notes sound a little different each time a pattern goes round, so you can get a little more dynamic expression into your work, tho theres probably vst with FL that are similar, if there were they would've been hyped like the reason synths....

FL can provide the clean, more static contrast from what i've heard so far, so it'd be interestin to hear what you can do. Personally i can do fuck all with either,but i only got reason a few days ago so i feel i can be excused for now :P

[NDP]

well, they both have their pros and cons, as it was mentioned before, its not about which one your gonna use but how you will use each one to improve your music, there is no limit to the amounts of programs u use on a song, so why limit it to one? Besides its always good to know more than one program.

Nicolas..

[randomkarmagenerator]

At 8/3/05 06:55 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: Should I really switch to Reason or use Rewire with FL or should i stay with FL?

Could my music get any better or not?I can't judge my own stuff so I have to ask you all.

You will be equipped to make a wider variety of music with Reason, but finishing anything will take longer. Reason by itself isn't that great, actually it's quite lacking in mixing features and effects, so if you use it, then use it in rewire. Like FL, Reason synths have their own unique sound and with enough experience you will be able to tell immediately if something uses a Reason synth, just like you probably already can with built in FL devices/sounds. For techno, trance, house, and most other beat/loop-oriented music, it doesn't matter... in that case, stick with FL because you're more familiar with it and it's just faster (for production purposes). Logic would be better, but you don't seem to be considering Logic. For using FL or Reason standalone, FL sounds overall a bit livelier. The Reason user interface makes for an almost sheet-music approach, for which reason, short of live instrumentation, it's great for classical, jazz, rock, electronica, various ethnic genres--though, for some of these, better programs may exist.
Well, that's just my two Nepalese Rupee.

[NDP]

yeah thats true, but you dont have to limit yourself to fl or reason sounds, there are MANY soundboards out there you can buy, its a matter of knowing if you wanna invest in such a thing, learning your program to its full potential an be an amazing experience for you and for everyone else. Then again, you can go fanatic on the subject and go into sound producing to learn everything their is too know about soundwaves and all that stuff and create your own uniques sounds.

Nicolas...

[randomkarmagenerator]

At 8/3/05 07:25 PM, NDP wrote: Then again, you can go fanatic on the subject and go into sound producing to learn everything their is too know about soundwaves and all that stuff and create your own uniques sounds.

Show me a man who knows everything there is to know about sound waves and I'll show you a sound wave. =)

[B0UNC3]

I have all the sound packs i need so that wouldn't be a problem.

However i'm assuming that you all have heard my music since i asked if i could do better or not.

[randomkarmagenerator]

At 8/3/05 07:27 PM, randomkarmagenerator wrote: Show me a man who knows everything there is to know about sound waves and I'll show you a sound wave. =)

Wait a minute, that's not the right pair... maybe I would show you Steve Hawking or somesuch.

[NDP]

uhm yeah, i have no idea, im not that guy for sure, but its always good to go further and perfect something you really wanna do, for example, im a pianist, and during recitals, i do get very nervous and it takes away from the experience by not giving it all you got, so im going to take shotokan lessons to learn concentration and meditation to better myseld in these situations... why ignore something when you can make it better? why not further improve yourself?

Nicolas...

[B0UNC3]

The man u guys are looking for is called DJ Manian.

However that was off topic.
Anyone else that wants to say sumthin?:)
I appreciate all "non stupid" feedback.

[randomkarmagenerator]

At 8/3/05 07:28 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: However i'm assuming that you all have heard my music since i asked if i could do better or not.

Always! Unless you think you're perfect... hmm?

Well, I probably have at some point, but probably have you confused with monkeybullman or royksopp or quite possibly even myself. It's a subjective question, really, so I understood your question more to mean: "Which one is more limits my music creativity and production abilities?"

[SpamWarrior]

At 8/3/05 07:28 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: I have all the sound packs i need so that wouldn't be a problem.

However i'm assuming that you all have heard my music since i asked if i could do better or not.

Depends what you want to do... Do you want it to sound more like instruments that are real but not, or do you want steady sounds? If you only want the steady sounds stick to FL, its good as it is, the "real" instruments are a bit strange, as i've already said they sound a little different on each run of the same pattern, almost human, but not...

[PERVOK]

ok first off b0unc3....

SLAP

you are used to FL, so you stick to FL!
Thats a pretty stupid move man, you've been using FL for how long? im guessing 3-4 years, right?
Well ive seen u make synths, use samples and whatnot better than any reason user could.
Someone on this thread said that you should stick to FL becasue of the production speed. i find that true, since i can make masterpieces(at least i think they are) in FL in 20-30 minutes, and im sure you can too., while im sure thast near impossible to do with any other program.
Ive said it once...but your used to using FL. At least before you switch to reason y not download a trial man.
Ive tried it and wow.....i made a drum beat, arp and bassline. it was good, but nothing compared to what i could do in FL.

Sure, if you used for a year or 2 you'd still have the ability you have on FL that you have on Reason, but in order to have the same time on production, that would take forever.

Im not FL, or any other prgram is perfect, and i do realise that you said ' should i switch to Reason 3.0 and could my music get better....'
Yes you could get better. The worlds best musician could get better. there is always room for improvment. but in your case(with reason and all) that wouldnt happen anytime soon.
Really, even though i said all of this, i really dont have an opinion. try reason out, if you like it, try making music with FL AND reason, until you et used to reason, or maybe you could just live with that.

now i just wasted 6 or 7 minutes of my life and probably no one will read this anyways.

theblackhawk--_--

[B0UNC3]

No i dotn think that im supreme, but it would certainly put more weight on ur posts if you knew what kind of music i make, am i right?

And can i somehow remove this "realistic" thingy?

Well sure I'm used to FL and all but it's always the same though.I do fine with fl only but i don't know if i should try to take another step or not.Sometimes taking THAT step might be the last one.

[Chronamut]

well - ive used reason - its nice - but i still find fl more user friendly. Altho reason takes up a lot less cpu.

Paron and zero bass dreamscaper and evil dog etc etc all use Reason - so maybe they got something going with it. I find the music lacks solidity tho with reason and always sounds kinda.. too floaty? I dunno how to describe it. I think RageVI had the best idea. he uses cubase, fl and Reason and rewired together.

[SpamWarrior]

Yeah that'd be brutal if you could get your head round it....

[B0UNC3]

i ahve cubase....i dunno bout that tho....However im going to sleep..gimme more advice if you wish..night

[B0UNC3]

Well i'm still not convinced that Reason would actually help me.And about the synths, I already have an arsenal of about 18 HQ VST's.And as i've noticed, this single topic may sound and look egoish but i actually just want advice.

[LJCoffee]

At 8/4/05 02:43 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: to switch or not to switch....

Why switch? You were doing great with what you were using. I understand that alot of people can't say or read the word REASON without putting at least one hand down thier pants ... that's fine, for them... Personally I can't see it.. I don't know - the demo seemed cool enough I guess but it wasn't the end all be all of audio production software.

AND BEFORE ANY OF YOU start bitching that I'm only saying that because I "just don't understand" - let me cut you off there ... I understand just fine - Reason has certain capabilities .... great... it also has some limitations...

And regardless - would you like to really kick all kinds of ass with something that you're familiar with or just kick a little bit of ass with something that you're not as comfortable using?

I say stick with FL - take the money thath would have gone toward Reason and pick up a copy of Reaktor instead...

:)

[Rage]

I personally don't think there's much of a point in using Reason with the skills you have in Fruityloops now. You're already able to get the same sounds out of FL as you can with Reason. Not only that, but FL can use VST, so that's a big plus.

If, through your course of learning Reason, you ever want to use Reason, just ReWire it and do whatever. I find that the biggest advantage of using Reason ReWired to Fruityloops is using it to read refills. There seem to be a lot more refill resources than there are with soundbanks, and that's where Reason can come in real handy.

[B0UNC3]

Hmm okidoki...Hey btw when are we gonna do our collab?:P

[Pandora-Tranquil]

dare i say the most prominant artists on NG are fl users?

although ppl like rucklo an zero bass can change minds....

[Scribbler]

Reason.

FL is silly.