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I have been making flash movies for a year now and still can't get them to stay on newgrounds. I would like to get your advice on a realy good flash and I will try to make one based on your request


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Sorry, but if you have been working for a year, you obviuosly have no talent.

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I suggest you check flashkit and kirupa for tutorials, follow the guidelines, read plenty of tutorials.

Make it long, use detailed animations.
Use proper sound.
Use lip syncing.
Animate movement and walking.
Use shading and lightening.

At 8/2/05 12:01 PM, SpamBurger wrote: Sorry, but if you have been working for a year, you obviuosly have no talent.

dude that's just nasty >:(


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I reccomend finding people much better than you.and asking for help over msn,aol,yahoo whatever....

both my flashes in the portal took me less than three days......


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MadGiraffe

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Heh try some other hobbies, there must be something you're good at....

...or...start a Collab!! Just kidding. Don't do that.

Could you externally host something so we could see what took you a whole year to improve to? Maybe we could see if this really is hopeless.


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I told you to give me a request. I don't suck I just don't have any ideas. Be productive and post something useful.


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try a Zelda movie, mega man, or FF. maybe you'll get lucky


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WORK, WORK, WORK, WORK, DIE!!!!
Thats how to make a good flash.


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At 8/2/05 12:00 PM, Punk44244 wrote: I have been making flash movies for a year now and still can't get them to stay on newgrounds. I would like to get your advice on a realy good flash and I will try to make one based on your request

Just stay at it, keep practising art, maye look at some tutorials. Can I see some of your flash? I want to know whats wrong.

btw: w0000000000000t level 12!!


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I mean 10...


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At 8/2/05 12:00 PM, Punk44244 wrote: I have been making flash movies for a year now and still can't get them to stay on newgrounds.

OMFG you suck at flash. If you can't get something to not get blammed for 1 f'in year than you are doing something terriblely wrong.

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Punk44244

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Hey Guys how do you put your sound into the movie?


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You're looking for concepts? If you need someone to tell you what to do, you have no artistic vision. Why even try if you're not spreading your own ideas? It's worthless, as are flash movies with no concept or a concept used simply to showcase the fact that the author can use flash.

THINK! What's an idea for a setting, an event, or anything? What do you find interesting, funny, or meaningful? Don't do what you think will be popular, because you're probably wrong about it. Do something that expresses yourself. You have to have some good ideas; convert them into flash.

Wait, here's an idea: do a flash about your year of dissapointment and frustration. You have to feel strongly about that.


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At 8/3/05 12:26 AM, Punk44244 wrote: Hey Guys how do you put your sound into the movie?

You've been learning for a year and you don't know that yet? What exactly have you been doing for the year?

The answer to your question is File > Import, select the wav/mp3 file, open up the library and drag the sound file onto the stage in a new layer.

I strongly suggest doing tutorials until your eyes bleed:

Newgrounds Flash Page: http://www.newgrounds.com/flash/
Otacon's Links: http://www.newground../topic.php?id=203179

Newbs Flash Help - Tutorials: http://www.newground../topic.php?id=177502

Denvish's NG Submit Tips for Flash Authors: http://www.newground../topic.php?id=193836


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There's no way to edit posts that I know of, and I just read your most recent one. OMFG.
Anyways, here's step by step instructions:
-Open flash.
-Click on 'Help'
-Click on the tiny magnifying glass near the bottom of the screen- the search function.

-Ok, screw that; I tried it myself and apparently there's nothing there. Flash 3 has far better documentation:

"Importing sounds
Choose File > Import to bring either AIFF or WAV sounds into Flash, just as you would import any other file type. Flash stores sounds in the Library along with bitmaps and symbols.

Sounds can use considerable amounts of disk space and RAM. Generally, it's best to use 22 kHz 16-bit mono sounds (stereo uses twice as much data as mono), but Flash can import either 8- or 16-bit sounds at sample rates of 11 kHz, 22 kHz, or 44 kHz. Flash can convert sounds to lower sample rates on export. See Exporting movies with sound.

Like symbols, you need only one copy of a sound file to use that sound in any number of ways in your movie.

To import a sound:

1 Choose File > Import.
File > Import is not available if there is no current layer.
2 In the standard import dialog box that appears, locate and open the desired AIFF or WAV file.

Note: If you want to add effects to sounds in Flash, it's best to import 16-bit sounds. If you have limited RAM, keep your sound clips short or work with 8-bit sounds instead of 16-bit sounds."

"Adding sounds to a movie
Adding sounds to a movie involves creating a layer for the sound, assigning the sound, and setting options in the Sound panel of the Frame Properties dialog box.

To add sound to a movie:

1 Import the sound into the movie.
See Importing sounds.
2 Choose Insert > Layer to create a layer for sound.
You can place sounds on as many layers as you want. Each layer acts like a separate sound channel. The sounds on all layers are combined when you play back the movie.
3 Click the frame of the sound layer where you want the sound to start.
4 Choose Modify > Frame and then click the Sound tab in the Frame Properties dialog box.
5 From the Sound pop-up menu, choose the name of the sound file to associate with this sound layer.

If the sound doesn't appear in the pop-up menu, you have to import it. See Importing sounds.
6 Choose a Synchronization option:
Event synchronizes the sound to the occurrence of an event. An event sound plays when its starting keyframe is first displayed and plays in its entirety, independently of the Timeline, even if the movie stops.
Start is the same as Event, except that if the sound is already playing, a new instance of the sound is started.
Stop silences the specified sound.
Stream synchronizes the sound for playing on a web site. Flash forces animation to keep pace with stream sounds. If Flash can't draw animation frames quickly enough, it skips frames. Unlike event sounds, stream sounds stop if the animation stops. Also, a stream sound can never play longer than the length of the frames it occupies.
7 Enter a value in Loop to specify the number of times the sound should loop; for continuous play, enter a very high number.
8 Use the Sound window controls to edit the sound as needed. Choose from the following options.
None applies no effects to the sound file. Choose this option to remove previously applied effects.
Left Channel/Right Channel plays sound only in the left or right channel.
Fade Left to Right/Fade Right to Left shifts the sound from one channel to the other.
Fade In gradually increases the amplitude of a sound over its duration.
Fade Out gradually decreases the amplitude of a sound over its duration.
Custom lets you create your own sound effects. Use the Sound window to customize the sound wave. See Using the sound-editing controls.

To use a shortcut for adding sounds:

1 Make the sound layer the current layer.
2 Drag a sound from the Library preview window directly to the Stage.
Flash places the sound in the current frame with default sound settings.
"

That's from the flash 3 help files, so I can't guarantee accuracy, but it seems to work. In my opinion, most stuff about the newer version is unnecisarily complicated and obscure, interfacewise. I'll stick with 3.

But yeah, you really need sound- most people blam automatically if there is no sound, unless the rest of the flash is REALLY good.

Here's what I've learned from my first flash (which got blammed, but I got advice)
-Use music
-Use backgrounds
-Use many more than 12 fps
-If it's genuinely funny, it helps even if the rest is crap. A little.
-Use voices if you can
-Sound effects
-Symbols
-Length
-It has to have a point

Anyways, best of luck to you.


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I forgot to mention that I have MX 2004 and some things may be different. I couldn't follow the tips from the last one.


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Dude, u gotta be kidding me. u got a level 2 and are giving advice to a level 5? man, u just don't get it.


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Yo, like that one dude said, make a flash collection of all the flashes u've made, doesn't have to have a point, just say it's the one you made to show all the talent you have. Put them in order though, so you cans see how far you've come. Maybe take another year to animate. Look up a few tutorials and watch thousands of flash submissions to see what u wanna animate. don't worry about it dude, it'll come 2 ya.
BTW: I've only submitted 1 flash and it got blammed too, nothin' bad, I just worked harder.


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At 8/3/05 12:24 AM, creative_world wrote: OMFG you suck at flash. If you can't get something to not get blammed for 1 f'in year than you are doing something terriblely wrong.

You, sir, are the dumbest.


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With all the questions your asking here I'm not sure if you should be thinking about making a movie now.

Try http://www.freeflash..als.com/lessons.html

I started studying flash with this in April, practiced a bit myself, and now i'm getting almost 4/5 points on my submissons. If you don't seem to improve then maybe flash isnt your thing.


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At 8/3/05 12:16 PM, PrinceofRapstarz wrote: Dude, u gotta be kidding me. u got a level 2 and are giving advice to a level 5? man, u just don't get it.

Are you that stupid?!? The newgrounds level has nothing to do with your flashing skill, it's how many movies you vote on!


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Oh, I've got an idea. Most anime flashes with good graphics seem to get pretty good votes. Try this book here to learn anime:

How to Draw Anime

I learned quick when i bought this book, but you may need to know at least something about drawing if you want to get good rating. My BBS Signature Pic I hand drew myself, i couldnt have done it without the book.


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At 8/3/05 12:23 PM, PrinceofRapstarz wrote: Yo, like that one dude said, make a flash collection of all the flashes u've made, doesn't have to have a point, just say it's the one you made ...

Oh sure... like people want an entire compost heap over a single turd in a bag...

Right. I'm going to get all pragmatic here. There is no easy way to make Flash for Newgrounds and please everyone. Instead, you're just going to have to look into the distance from the obituaries to the Front Page.

Get a notebook. Watch all the entries on the Front Page. Work out what they are doing that gets them on the front page. Look at all the details, all the motions, all the language, style, effects and whatever else catches your eye, and try to work out how they're doing them

Then do them yourself in a much better way.

Look at the six categories that users are meant to rate on, and seriously ask yourself if you deserve a ten in EACH of the categories (removing humour, violence and interactivity is sometimes okay, but won't please everyone). Don't submit you're work until you, personally, would rate them ten in each of the one's your aiming for.

And finally, take your time. It's not a race (unless you're already on your death bed). It takes me a good season to work on something that I'm ready to submit here. I've only been doing this a year as well. Only ever submitted three things (two of them as part of collaberations). Yet despite that, I have a batting average that would place me at 6th Best Artist Of All Time (if I submit two more things off my own back with no help, it'll happen as well)...

Time, Effort and Effects.
Work on them

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Previous: Lamprey, Mountain Goat (Dead Fork)


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At 8/3/05 12:16 PM, PrinceofRapstarz wrote: Dude, u gotta be kidding me. u got a level 2 and are giving advice to a level 5? man, u just don't get it.

Dude, levels mean nothing. A level 2 could have been working with flash for 4 years, and a level 15 could have been just voting on movies... thats all where levels come: voting on movies, not making them.


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Ok thanks guys but I need to know how to get sound on Flash MX 2004.


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At 8/2/05 12:01 PM, SpamBurger wrote: Sorry, but if you have been working for a year, you obviuosly have no talent.

That;s why your name is spamburger.

Go to flash kit and search for tutorials. they have some good ones, but the ones in games suck. alternitivlly, buy a couplew books from boarders or barnes and noble, etheir "animation and Effects with macromedia flash" , "Macromedia flash bible" or "Macromedia flash game design demytified". i only have one of those, but i hear the other 2 are good.


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At 8/3/05 01:48 PM, Punk44244 wrote: Ok thanks guys but I need to know how to get sound on Flash MX 2004.

1: click file>import>import to library.
2: Select etheir a wav or mp3 file. if your using somthing other than that, it probably isn't compatible.
3: drag out the symbol onto a empty layer. it will play on the nearest keyframe.

and there it is in a nutshell. sry for the double post.


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Thanks for all the help. I am gonna start making a worth-while flash. Thanks for all the info.


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if u have been trying for a year I would say give up. u either got it or you don't.... or you get it from tutes, like i did. im not sure if i beleive you about a year trying, u only signed up in may


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don;t sweat it they have very detailed tatoreals on newgrounds you'll find them in the flash portal top left corner^ ^
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