--- Nazis at Church ---

[kurten]

www.wcotc.com

I really wish we would change the first amendment so that this couldn't happen. I think I'm going to join this "church" one day and destroy it from the inside.

[Perdix]

At 4/18/01 10:59 PM, kurten wrote: www.wcotc.com

I really wish we would change the first amendment so that this couldn't happen. I think I'm going to join this "church" one day and destroy it from the inside.

then you are no better than they are...

[Slizor]

How do you not think its good?
It means when they are in church they are concentrated so one tiny little explosion could kill alot of em
I would just like to add that they ain't fucking nazi's!!! Nazi=National Socialist it's alot different from a plain nationalist.

[kurten]

Perdix, by destroy I meant disband. Not kill them.

[Perdix]

At 4/20/01 07:09 PM, kurten wrote: Perdix, by destroy I meant disband. Not kill them.

It is their right to band together. Too bad they are such stupid fucks.

[kurten]

I'm just saying I wish we could amend the first amendment to make organized racism illegal. Who would stop Congress from doing it? The ACLU? It would have too much support from the masses. I realize you can't make a law against racism itself, since that would be telling people how to think, which is impossible to control. It can only be changed when society changes. But outlawing racist groups like the World Church of the Creator would be a good step towards that goal.

[Perdix]

At 4/21/01 04:56 PM, kurten wrote: I'm just saying I wish we could amend the first amendment to make organized racism illegal. Who would stop Congress from doing it? The ACLU? It would have too much support from the masses. I realize you can't make a law against racism itself, since that would be telling people how to think, which is impossible to control. It can only be changed when society changes. But outlawing racist groups like the World Church of the Creator would be a good step towards that goal.

I think that steps on their rights. I can't condone criminalizing behavior that is seen to "lead" to real criminal behavior. You can't punish people, or restrict them, for things that may lead to criminal activity.

[Vero993]

i am an advocate of free speech and the first amendment. As a journalist, i pretty much have to be (spare the jokes, please). I hate racism and organized violence of any sort.

But i do know that once congress got into the habit of limiting speech and expression, that would be the end of freedom as we know it. Sites like newgrounds where we have these jolly political debates would be over, gone, done, erased. If you give the government an inch, they take a mile.

The best thing to do in response to organizations like that: Get a group of people together that think like you do and create your own anti-hate group. I know it sounds cheesy, but if assholes have a right to publish their views, then so do you.

[Radam]

At 4/18/01 10:59 PM, kurten wrote: www.wcotc.com

I really wish we would change the first amendment so that this couldn't happen. I think I'm going to join this "church" one day and destroy it from the inside.

You want to change our first amendment? Die! This is the single best thing a government has ever done for its people.

Sure. Let's revoke freedom of religion because you don't approve of a certain religion. If you get your way, I don't want to hear you complain when you're required by law to worship the President as God or be executed for heresy.

[Radam]

At 4/20/01 07:09 PM, kurten wrote: Perdix, by destroy I meant disband. Not kill them.

If you're condoning revoking their right to speak their mind, you might as well kill them.

[Radam]

At 4/21/01 04:56 PM, kurten wrote: I'm just saying I wish we could amend the first amendment to make organized racism illegal. Who would stop Congress from doing it? The ACLU? It would have too much support from the masses. I realize you can't make a law against racism itself, since that would be telling people how to think, which is impossible to control. It can only be changed when society changes. But outlawing racist groups like the World Church of the Creator would be a good step towards that goal.

Oh! You're "just saying" that you'd like to outlaw freedom of assembly, only for those of a certain belief. Here, I thought you were condoning something stupid, but I'm reassured by the fact that you merely want to restrict the liberties of selected members of society while others enjoy those same liberties. What a remarkable visionary you are!

[theteckman]

I can't condone criminalizing behavior that is seen to "lead" to real criminal behavior. You can't punish people, or restrict them, for things that may lead to criminal activity.

I agree completely. This is like allowing cops to break of groups of people (most likely black people) because they look suspicious.

I, myself am slightly a racist. I can't help it. My experiences tell me that black people are, on average more rude than white people. The difference is that I don't act on it. I am equally respectful to both races and think that they should both have equal rights. Same for these people. As long as they don't act they're fine. Once they do act, however, one could subpeona everything in their church and do other such things to really mess with them like Clinton did.

[Vero993]

do you ever think that whites are slighly more likely to be assholes than black people?

Please. generalizing a group's behavior because of your life experiences isn't racist, it's ignorance. I appreciate the fact that you admit you're a racist. But you haven't met all the black people in the world. You can't say "blacks are ruder than whites" until you meet and interact every single last person on the planet. Then, maybe, you can make this assumption. Personality traits, such as violence, alcholism, rudeness, and drug abuse are not related to ethnic/ratial backgrounds; they are related to individual people, their experiences, and their values.

[theteckman]

I know exactly what you're saying but i can't help it. I'm not saying that blacks ARE more rude i'm just saying that from my experience i'm more likely to hear them cuss in public or other such things. I also tend to avoid them on sidewalks and such. I'm not saying they actually ARE scary or anyting it's just my personal experiences have made me this way.

[kurten]

Radam, sorry it took me so long to reply.

I know taking away the freedom to assemble would be hypocritical in so many ways. And although it is legally a church, it's just a way to make their cause seem righteous (as well as tax exempt). If they were to take power (which they won't) they themselves would remove the rights of almost all Americans (they are against all religions, and members of those religions, as well as every race besides caucasian).

It's like being back in Germany in 1930. If you had the chance to ban the Nazi Party from meeting, wouldn't you?

[kurten]

If you're condoning revoking their right to speak their mind, you might as well kill them.

I'm not condoning revoking their right to speak their mind, I'm talking about creating an anti-racist movement inside their church. De-brainwash them, if you will. Thanks for assuming.

By the way, it's not a religion. It's a hate group with a religious title. You can argue with me on this all you want, but it's just a psychological ruse to make the followers believe they are doing what the Universe intends for them to do.

Also, just because something is in the Constitution DOES NOT automatically make it a good thing.

[kurten]

Speaking of which, Radam, what makes you think the Constitution is so great? Because it gives us so many rights? It's only a law. Sure, gimme the ol' "it gives you the right to say you don't like it" speech. Yes, I could live in a country where I'm not allowed to. I could also live in a country without Nazis, telephone solicitors, spam mail, spam email, cockfighting, Jehova's witnesses, frivilous lawsuits, accidental child shootings, school shootings, gang shootings, political parties, censored TV, censored radio, censored school textbooks, and Divorce Court.

[MysteryClock]

fight racism with reason, not more oppression

[kurten]

I don't see anything wrong with oppressing those who would want to oppress others. And you try to argue a Nazi out of his beliefs.

[Mos]

At 4/26/01 08:30 PM, kurten wrote: I don't see anything wrong with oppressing those who would want to oppress others. And you try to argue a Nazi out of his beliefs.

A person has a right to his views.
A person is allowed to assemble with people with similar views.

Now, add "Nazi" to that sentence. All of a sudden, it's completely false and wrong? You can't just say, "I don't like this group," and take away their freedom! Because, ironically, thats exactly what the Nazis did.

They, for example, exactly enjoy the company of Jews. So, they stripped them of their freedom, and killed them.

[Slizor]

A person has a right to his views.
A person is allowed to assemble with people with similar views.

Now, add "Nazi" to that sentence. All of a sudden, it's completely false and wrong? You can't just say, "I don't like this group," and take away their freedom! Because, ironically, thats exactly what the Nazis did.

Actually the reason they were killed is because they were scapgoated, its a thing called propoganda