There ought to be limits.....

[TerathanDust]

there once was a man who said. "There ought to be limits to freedom" he goes by a name most of you know, Dubya Dumbass. and if you dont know. That would be George W. Bush!

LISTEN UP. DUBYA DUMBASS is ought to take down terrisom. good thing? HELL NO. HEs doing it here. ON THE INTERNET. we have no freedom! All this anti-political games and movies on NG? NO MORE. Hell they might even shut it down. There once was a site. WWW.Taintedthoughts.Com that was against it. a few members on this site where against the govt. So how did the government react to this? BY SHUTTING IT DOWN.

We have to stop the madness! Dubya Dumbass is threatening to take everything we have away. Think of all the hard work you put into your flash movies! It means nothing to them!

They done it to one site! they will do it to more! AMERICA! STAND UP AND FIGHT! FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM!

[Tacitacial]

At 8/25/02 11:47 PM, TerathanDust wrote: there once was a man who said. "There ought to be limits to freedom" he goes by a name most of you know, Dubya Dumbass. and if you dont know. That would be George W. Bush!

LISTEN UP. DUBYA DUMBASS is ought to take down terrisom. good thing? HELL NO. HEs doing it here. ON THE INTERNET. we have no freedom! All this anti-political games and movies on NG? NO MORE. Hell they might even shut it down. There once was a site. WWW.Taintedthoughts.Com that was against it. a few members on this site where against the govt. So how did the government react to this? BY SHUTTING IT DOWN.

We have to stop the madness! Dubya Dumbass is threatening to take everything we have away. Think of all the hard work you put into your flash movies! It means nothing to them!

They done it to one site! they will do it to more! AMERICA! STAND UP AND FIGHT! FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM!

The government better not touch ng. It's our freedom to have a site like ng and taintedthoughts.
Fighting terrorrism is a good thing, but taking away freedom isn't. If we give up our freedom, haven't the terrorrists won? Do we want to give up our freedom? I don't, freedom is very important. It not just something to throw away when things go wrong.

[TerathanDust]

our freedom doesnt mean piss to dumbya. Thats why we must fight now or lose all. Besides, you wouldn't believe who the Terroists actually are. None other than our own government. Most attacks of the america where staged. Think of it all, WTC - Bush needed an Enemy. Blow some shit up, become a dictator.

Roosevelt did it. WW2. Got Japan to attack us and in hopes of getting Hitler to fight us. Hitler wouldn't fight us at all so we had to force him to.

All this govt stuff dates back to the Roman century. Crassis, Ceaser, Sparticus and all that.

[TheEvilOne]

What are you people smoking? No, the government is not the most honest institution in the world, but you have to be pretty screwed up to believe that the government would be responsible for attacks on its own citizens. You anti-government types make up some interesting theories, but I want to see proof.

[Vicious-WTFN]

At 8/25/02 11:47 PM, TerathanDust wrote: there once was a man who said. "There ought to be limits to freedom" he goes by a name most of you know, Dubya Dumbass. and if you dont know. That would be George W. Bush!

LISTEN UP. DUBYA DUMBASS is ought to take down terrisom. good thing? HELL NO. HEs doing it here. ON THE INTERNET. we have no freedom! All this anti-political games and movies on NG? NO MORE. Hell they might even shut it down. There once was a site. WWW.Taintedthoughts.Com that was against it. a few members on this site where against the govt. So how did the government react to this? BY SHUTTING IT DOWN.

We have to stop the madness! Dubya Dumbass is threatening to take everything we have away. Think of all the hard work you put into your flash movies! It means nothing to them!

They done it to one site! they will do it to more! AMERICA! STAND UP AND FIGHT! FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM!

Your an ignorant liberal who has their head rammed up their ass. You make no sense with your rants, you type in caps making no sense, and amplify your stupidity. Please learn something about politics, not what comes from CNN @ 8:00

[TerathanDust]

Hey, don't fight for your freedom then. And when NG is taking away. Don't cry to me. Fight it now or Lose it All. I'm willing to fight. and It looks like your not.

learn some fucking history asshole. The proof is there.

[FAT-MAN2k1]

you type in caps making no sense, and amplify your stupidity.

amplify your stupidity!!! lol thats mad funny.
onion_clock should name himself libral killer

[patach]

Your an ignorant liberal who has their head rammed up their ass. You make no sense with your rants, you type in caps making no sense, and amplify your stupidity. Please learn something about politics, not what comes from CNN @ 8:00

It's amazing how Conservatives can label any sort of crazy maniac that sensationalize Anarchy "Liberal". Heck, let's call all of the Taliban a bunch of Liberal Al Gore supporting freaks! Wow!

Back to the topic, Bush is an idiot, and really... doesn't represent the Conservative wing well.

To blame Bush for the majority of pressures (especially Conservatives who label anybody that questions Bush an "Anti-American") is like blaming Hitler for all the Anti-Semitism in Germany.

John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfield are the people who we should be worried about. With their ideas of "Strategic Influence" and the "Operation TIPS" program, that is the closest that we may come to a Orwellian factor.

[TerathanDust]

never leave out Bush and his legion of evil. no matter what. Bush is in this shit somehow, mainly cuz he is dumb, and president. soon to be dictator if we dont stand up and fight.

[dagger-happy]

At 8/26/02 01:49 PM, TerathanDust wrote: our freedom doesnt mean piss to dumbya. Thats why we must fight now or lose all. Besides, you wouldn't believe who the Terroists actually are. None other than our own government. Most attacks of the america where staged. Think of it all, WTC - Bush needed an Enemy. Blow some shit up, become a dictator.

Roosevelt did it. WW2. Got Japan to attack us and in hopes of getting Hitler to fight us. Hitler wouldn't fight us at all so we had to force him to.

I appreciate your commitment to freedom and all that, but your conspiracy theories make you sound like... er, a lunatic. Do you have any facts to back this up?

[Vicious-WTFN]

At 8/27/02 12:00 AM, patach wrote:

Your an ignorant liberal who has their head rammed up their ass. You make no sense with your rants, you type in caps making no sense, and amplify your stupidity. Please learn something about politics, not what comes from CNN @ 8:00

It's amazing how Conservatives can label any sort of crazy maniac that sensationalize Anarchy "Liberal". Heck, let's call all of the Taliban a bunch of Liberal Al Gore supporting freaks! Wow!

After 9/11 gore would have flown to Alfganistan and sucked the talibans cock for forgivness.

Back to the topic, Bush is an idiot, and really... doesn't represent the Conservative wing well.

Hes a spineless poll following idiot

To blame Bush for the majority of pressures (especially Conservatives who label anybody that questions Bush an "Anti-American") is like blaming Hitler for all the Anti-Semitism in Germany.

If anyone is anti-american its the senate.

John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfield are the people who we should be worried about. With their ideas of "Strategic Influence" and the "Operation TIPS" program, that is the closest that we may come to a Orwellian factor.

true true

[patach]

After 9/11 gore would have flown to Alfganistan and sucked the talibans cock for forgivness.

And Bush would conduct an attack on Afghanistan so badly done, that it'll kill more innocent people than 9-11 did, let Mullah Omar and Bin Laden escape, along with making more people and nations hate us than before... oh wait, that already happened!

Hes a spineless poll following idiot

Then whose the perfect man? Buchanan?

John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfield are the people who we should be worried about. With their ideas of "Strategic Influence" and the "Operation TIPS" program, that is the closest that we may come to a Orwellian factor.

true true

It's about time you start acting a bit moderate :P

[TerathanDust]

I appreciate your commitment to freedom and all that, but your conspiracy theories make you sound like... er, a lunatic. Do you have any facts to back this up?

the facts are in the air my friend. Though I am currently spending my free time looking at our history and enjoying a Bush conversation or two. While I will soon gather more information, it will be posted, I shall continue to look for more.

oh, Bush needed an enemy. Hes got that Dictator smirk thing going on, I know you all noticed it. Everyone is afraid of us to an extent. So what the hell? Lets get some enemys. A president and his war will always be known. Look at FDR and WW2. not exactly what ya think when you study up a bit.

[FreedomSlave]

i've got a theory on presidents
The president doesn't actually run the country. He's like Zaphod beeblebrox from the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. He's an idiotic frontman, a puppet. Something to show the public and someone to blame when it all goes tits up. The real power lies behind the president, his advisors, his aids and the major capitalists of the country.

Just a theory.

Oh and while the US probably didnt stage the 9-11 attacks history has shown it happening before.

Nero burned rome to give the romans an enemy. Hitler blew up the Reichstag to blame it on the communists and discredit them(he already had his enemy, he just wanted rid of the communists)
It's happened before and I wouldn't be totally shocked if it's happened again.

[Fasz]

You are wrong and onion_clock right, liberals, maybe the most stupid persons, I think you have enought liberty, if you want more, you must want ppl to do things for you, you want to live from others, there shouldnt be so much liberty, jail?, criminals should die, not go to jail, not strange liberals have the mind of a caveman.

[TerathanDust]

At 8/28/02 03:48 PM, Fasz wrote: You are wrong and onion_clock right, liberals, maybe the most stupid persons, I think you have enought liberty, if you want more, you must want ppl to do things for you, you want to live from others, there shouldnt be so much liberty, jail?, criminals should die, not go to jail, not strange liberals have the mind of a caveman.

you sound like Dubya himself. not making a damn bit of sense.

[dagger-happy]

At 8/28/02 01:07 AM, TerathanDust wrote:

the facts are in the air my friend. Though I am currently spending my free time looking at our history and enjoying a Bush conversation or two. While I will soon gather more information, it will be posted, I shall continue to look for more.

Uh huh... So you form your opinion and make your judgement BEFORE you have the facts to support it? That is very poor logic.

[Fasz]

If I dont make sense its because I wrote the words in wrong order.

There is one good thing if we get more liberty, I can kill stupid liberals.

[TerathanDust]

1. The facts are already out there, your just not looking! lazy asshole. stop saying my logic is poor cuz im judging first, im not judging first, i found my proof so fuck you! go look it up.

2. Thanks for clearing that up. most liberals are assholes. im not really a liberal, i wouldnt classify myself as one anyway. not sure really what i would but who cares?

3. Um, 2 more sites taken down by the FBI, supposedly. no real proof yet but we are looking into it. infoshop.org and blackened flag have been taking down. maintenance? they been down for 4 days and both went down on the same day. anyone know whats going on? and for the asshole who said my logic was poor, shut up i dont want your opinion.

[Fasz]

Dagger Happy... go and search logic in your dictionary, you have a very poor knowledge.

[Slizor]

1. The facts are already out there, your just not looking! lazy asshole. stop saying my logic is poor cuz im judging first, im not judging first, i found my proof so fuck you! go look it up.

If you have found your proof, why not present it? instead you tell people to go find proof to prove your judgement, which is the same as judging first.

[TerathanDust]

Heres your god damn proof!

www.taintedthoughts.com (a speech on how the govt screwed them)
www.raisethefist.com (against police brutatality and govt, just to get a good opinion)
www.WhatReallyHappened.com (what really happened)

and last, your local history book. read fucker read. or do you want me to point it out for you? lazy bastard

[TerathanDust]

heres your god damn proof
www.taintedthoughts.com ( a speech on how the govt screwed them and their site)
www.raisethefist.com (site against govt and police brutality, for a good opinion)
www.WhatReallyHappened.com (what really happened)

another, a US magazine (something like that) at your local magazine store. its got HOAX on the cover, i cant remember all of it, i'll get it next time i go to work. it just caught my eye a few times, and being i work a 12 hour day, kinda hard to get my hands on.

and last, your local fucking history book. Read fucker read. proof is all over this place but your to damn lazy to look it up, do you want me to point out which page it is too?

[Chen-Baiwan]

At 8/28/02 07:42 AM, Reaper-n wrote: i've got a theory on presidents
The president doesn't actually run the country. He's like Zaphod beeblebrox from the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. He's an idiotic frontman, a puppet. Something to show the public and someone to blame when it all goes tits up. The real power lies behind the president, his advisors, his aids and the major capitalists of the country.

Just a theory.

Oh and while the US probably didnt stage the 9-11 attacks history has shown it happening before.

Nero burned rome to give the romans an enemy. Hitler blew up the Reichstag to blame it on the communists and discredit them(he already had his enemy, he just wanted rid of the communists)
It's happened before and I wouldn't be totally shocked if it's happened again.

I'd have to agree...I myself would be seprised if this WAS an attack from the executive branch to the citizens...

I've been thinking (for fun really) suppose Osama was still (yes....STILL) a government agent and the reason he didn't get caught was because he was prompted to leave by the government...these attacks on the WTC...were just an elaborate (or somewhat so) scheme to rally the american citizens to boost the economy (which strangeley started slumping as soon as dubyuh ran for office and got worse when he was elected) and spirit...and perhaps to "clean up society"...Dubyuh also would've wanted to be re-elected and get a better reputaion than his father...

...Remember...these arejust theories that I invented in my spare time...nothing real!

Or...this could all be the case...accept...Osama may have been dead before 9/11 and the government decided to put his name up because he had bombed a few US embassies in Africa before....

Personally...I think Dubyuh...is too much of a moron toformulate such elaborate plans...Cheney...he seems evil enough...but he doesn't seem to have the heart for it LOL...Rumsfeld....maybe...oh well!

[Chen-Baiwan]

At 9/2/02 12:53 AM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

At 8/28/02 07:42 AM, Reaper-n wrote: i've got a theory on presidents
The president doesn't actually run the country. He's like Zaphod beeblebrox from the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. He's an idiotic frontman, a puppet. Something to show the public and someone to blame when it all goes tits up. The real power lies behind the president, his advisors, his aids and the major capitalists of the country.

Just a theory.

Oh and while the US probably didnt stage the 9-11 attacks history has shown it happening before.

Nero burned rome to give the romans an enemy. Hitler blew up the Reichstag to blame it on the communists and discredit them(he already had his enemy, he just wanted rid of the communists)
It's happened before and I wouldn't be totally shocked if it's happened again.

I'd have to agree...I myself would be seprised if this WAS an attack from the executive branch to the citizens...

I've been thinking (for fun really) suppose Osama was still (yes....STILL) a government agent and the reason he didn't get caught was because he was prompted to leave by the government...these attacks on the WTC...were just an elaborate (or somewhat so) scheme to rally the american citizens to boost the economy (which strangeley started slumping as soon as dubyuh ran for office and got worse when he was elected) and spirit...and perhaps to "clean up society"...Dubyuh also would've wanted to be re-elected and get a better reputaion than his father...

...Remember...these arejust theories that I invented in my spare time...nothing real!

Or...this could all be the case...accept...Osama may have been dead before 9/11 and the government decided to put his name up because he had bombed a few US embassies in Africa before....

Personally...I think Dubyuh...is too much of a moron toformulate such elaborate plans...Cheney...he seems evil enough...but he doesn't seem to have the heart for it LOL...Rumsfeld....maybe...oh well!

Sorry for double posting...just for a little correction:

*"...I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED...."

[dagger-happy]

At 8/31/02 11:36 PM, TerathanDust wrote: 1. The facts are already out there, your just not looking! lazy asshole. stop saying my logic is poor cuz im judging first, im not judging first, i found my proof so fuck you! go look it up.

I do "look up" on current affairs, but all the evidence from reputable sources appears to refute your crackpot conspiracy theories.

3. Um, 2 more sites taken down by the FBI, supposedly. no real proof yet but we are looking into it. infoshop.org and blackened flag have been taking down. maintenance? they been down for 4 days and both went down on the same day. anyone know whats going on? and for the asshole who said my logic was poor, shut up i dont want your opinion.

Ha ha! No, I gathered that. It's amazing that you don't see you're contradicting yourself. You have looked at one or two dodgy, anti-establishment sites, and with no evidence other than your own rhetoric, you expect everyone to agree to your crazy tirades. Why is every decent media source in the west apparently oblivious to all this knowledge? Ah yes, because the new world order makes it so! You have already decided that the word of a couple of suspect web sites is infallible and simply believe everything they tell you, without checking the facts on the other side of the argument or in more reliable sources. I say again, your logic is FLAWED!

[TerathanDust]

Ha ha! No, I gathered that. It's amazing that you don't see you're contradicting yourself. You have looked at one or two dodgy, anti-establishment sites, and with no evidence other than your own rhetoric, you expect everyone to agree to your crazy tirades. Why is every decent media source in the west apparently oblivious to all this knowledge? Ah yes, because the new world order makes it so! You have already decided that the word of a couple of suspect web sites is infallible and simply believe everything they tell you, without checking the facts on the other side of the argument or in more reliable sources. I say again, your logic is FLAWED!

your a dumb fucker arnt you? I said 2 sites were taking down, either for maintence or by the FBI. I Never said which. Frankly cuz nobody really knows except for the people who created them, and one of them IS locked away currently cuz they think he is a terriost. so fuck you. theres proof there. Sherman locked away for nothing.

and for Baiwan, thanks for that post. theories are out there and the only way to know if they are true is to test them. as for you, stop going off govt searches and govt channels, why? cuz they are govt run. duh? get what im saying?
and sorry for the double post, my computer kinda screwed up a little bit and didnt quit send it, so i wasnt sure if it sent so i retyped and sent again

[dagger-happy]

At 9/3/02 01:30 PM, TerathanDust wrote: your a dumb fucker arnt you? I said 2 sites were taking down, either for maintence or by the FBI. I Never said which. Frankly cuz nobody really knows except for the people who created them, and one of them IS locked away currently cuz they think he is a terriost. so fuck you. theres proof there. Sherman locked away for nothing.

Proof of what? Proof that the whole of 9/11 was a set up by some shady part of the governemnt, or Israel or some other shit? And proof that the whole second World War was planned by Americans for some inexplicable motive? If you have something to say then state it coherently and lay out some reasons and facts. Just plucking out obscure things like some guy who runs one of these web sites being "arrested", is hardly enough to back up your alternative history of the 20th century. Just tell me what you believe and why, OK?

As for your distrust of the supposedly government-owned media, what gives the conspiracy theorist websites any more credibility? If anything, they have less.

[TerathanDust]

Proof of what? Proof that the whole of 9/11 was a set up by some shady part of the governemnt, or Israel or some other shit? And proof that the whole second World War was planned by Americans for some inexplicable motive? If you have something to say then state it coherently and lay out some reasons and facts. Just plucking out obscure things like some guy who runs one of these web sites being "arrested", is hardly enough to back up your alternative history of the 20th century. Just tell me what you believe and why

i believe different things. as for 9-11 i dont know yet. i been slightly busy with things (work, car wreck, school). but for WW2 i think FDR got us into it by making the Japs fight us. and for the SITES, im just pointing that out. there really is no proof yet to why they went down. FUCK how hard is that to understand? so from now on, NO MORE ABOUT THE SITES. cuz all i did was ask who knew what happened... well its late and im in alot of pain but too lazy to go pay the hospital for a check up, til next time you bastards try to say im full of shit

[FreedomSlave]

I'd have to agree...I myself would be seprised if this WAS an attack from the executive branch to the citizens...

I've been thinking (for fun really) suppose Osama was still (yes....STILL) a government agent and the reason he didn't get caught was because he was prompted to leave by the government...these attacks on the WTC...were just an elaborate (or somewhat so) scheme to rally the american citizens to boost the economy (which strangeley started slumping as soon as dubyuh ran for office and got worse when he was elected) and spirit...and perhaps to "clean up society"...Dubyuh also would've wanted to be re-elected and get a better reputaion than his father...

...Remember...these arejust theories that I invented in my spare time...nothing real!

Hmm the economy is a good reason. A better motive would perhaps be to give them the excuse needed to get a good foothold in the middle east in afghanistan. Which would then allow them to move into the rest of the area, such as Iraq.