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Well yeah, but if it was your kids?

I know Rotten has pics of the Mummies of Guanajuato. It shows mummified babies.

If anyone doesn't know-- Guanojuato, a place in Mexico, used to have a Death Tax. If you wanted your loved ones remained buried, you paid a tax or bought the grave permantly. This was in place up to the late 1950s... So basically, they had to uproot the bodies.

But these bodies were 'special'. Due to certain climatic and soil features, bodies don't decompose. They become dried up and mummified.

I've seen these mummies live, and it is weird to see a baby that older than you. Wearing baby clothes that look brand new.

As far I can tell you, Rotten don't have pedophile material-- but they have pics of mummified babies. Wonder how this law will work on this case.

At 6/24/05 04:12 AM, Iamrecognized wrote: I read the article. The thing is, Tom does not own the content, just the site, therefore he is not responsible.

This has nothing to do with being responsible or not, if he cannot produce the records the website can be shut down.

The sites ratemyboobies and ratemyboner had content being submitted to them, and not all the content was even pornographic, yet all of it was forced to be taken down because some was and rotten could not produce records that the pornographic images were from people over 18.

And at that, this is not meant to fight child porn, it would be moronic to fight it this way, in a way where your fighting porn that pedophiles wouldn't even know if it was child porn or not.

The government is doing little to fight child porn, there are several words you can type into search engines that will bring up obvious child porn and the government has to know this because I have reported it on several occasions, but they do nothing. They would rather keep the things up so that they can catch child pornographers and child molesters.

This is just meant to fight porn, suspisciously, porn that is owned by a site outspokenly anti-Bush.

That is not true. They had to shut down because they owned some or all of the content. Newgrounds does not.

At 6/23/05 12:59 PM, silentkill wrote: Look here
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Hmmm, I suppose that was inevitable. I guess the law is controlling of free speech in a way, but I can see how it would easily be supported (what with more minors accessing the internet everyday).

It doesn't really stop anything though. All this stuff will still be out there in the web. It will just be harder to find...

The law is retarded, and hopefully will be deemed unconstitutional as soon as somebody makes a big deal about it publically. The law is too broad, I am all for stopping child porn, but this is rediculous and too easily manipulated.

another reason why i hate the republicans. this new law sucks.

thank god i'm not american. this is definately why i hate censorship. How can they even censor someone. what's r to someone may be pg to someone else.

At 6/24/05 09:31 AM, fenrus1989 wrote: thank god i'm not american. this is definately why i hate censorship. How can they even censor someone. what's r to someone may be pg to someone else.

its not about censorship, its the government trying to gain control of the porn industry

At 6/24/05 09:40 AM, TurnipClock wrote:

At 6/24/05 09:31 AM, fenrus1989 wrote: thank god i'm not american. this is definately why i hate censorship. How can they even censor someone. what's r to someone may be pg to someone else.

its not about censorship, its the government trying to gain control of the porn industry

well then this is starting to sound really scary. Soon enought there will be cameras on your computer linked to gov't offices to check up on you. 1984 any one.

At 6/24/05 09:40 AM, TurnipClock wrote:

At 6/24/05 09:31 AM, fenrus1989 wrote: thank god i'm not american. this is definately why i hate censorship. How can they even censor someone. what's r to someone may be pg to someone else.

its not about censorship, its the government trying to gain control of the porn industry

Yeah, because it is way out of control. It has grown into a gigantic industy. And it causes waves of problems

Yeah, because it is way out of control. It has grown into a gigantic industy. And it causes waves of problems

like your sarcasm mate.

At 6/24/05 09:43 AM, fenrus1989 wrote:

well then this is starting to sound really scary. Soon enought there will be cameras on your computer linked to gov't offices to check up on you. 1984 any one.

That would be impractical. Just keeping an eye on what goes through each persons connection would be easier.

At 6/24/05 07:59 AM, Iamrecognized wrote: That is not true. They had to shut down because they owned some or all of the content. Newgrounds does not.

Where are you reading this?

As far as I can see, they work the exact same way. People submit stuff.

Most sites probably make you give them ownership of things that you submit, but Newgrounds does not.

At 6/24/05 06:26 PM, Jimsween wrote: As far as I can see, they work the exact same way. People submit stuff.

On other sites, once you submit it, it becomes their property. Newgrounds does not claim ownership or responsibility for what is uploaded.

At 6/24/05 07:48 PM, Maus wrote:

At 6/24/05 06:26 PM, Jimsween wrote: As far as I can see, they work the exact same way. People submit stuff.

On other sites, once you submit it, it becomes their property. Newgrounds does not claim ownership or responsibility for what is uploaded.

NG maybe not claim ownership or responsibility for it, but when Newgrounds hosts something (ie: uploaded pics) then it is thier property. Hosting a link to said pic is fine, but if I can view "illegal" content on NG pages (wether uploaded by me, you or Tom), that would be the crime.

That is how the 'thumbnail' sites will survive, they only host the link to another sites pages, they never, well rarely host thier own content.

This is hardly the "attack on the porn industry" everyone's making it out to be.
It's simply an incredibly poorly written piece of legislation, that is going to harm small businesses. Strange, since I should imagine the bush administration would want to maintain a strong economy, rather than harm a small part of one of the country's industries.

The larger companies will have no problems, they'll just have to undergo a minor structural alteration, and implement a means of retaining the neccessary information, and providing retailers, and distributors with the location of the information that they can use if questioned or investigated.

Smaller businesses are going to have problems, since we're going to be workign with economies of scale here. It's probably going to cost a small porn company almost as much as the larger companies to implement a system for storing the requisite information. The larger companies will be doing more of it aswell, and potentially more efficiently. There is the potential for the larger companies to expand their business into catering for the needs of the smaller companies, or for a new company to start up a database of porn stars etc for the sake of selling access to producers, similar to how energy companies buy meter information from third parties.
Either way, this is going to harm smaller businesses.

Worse still, it's largely unneccessary. If you need documentation to ensure that someone isn't a child, then they very probably don't look like one. It's also easy enough to distinguish between child pornography, and regular adult pornography, since kiddy porn will usually be advertised as such, and I can't imagine a child porn site being registered as a business, so they're going to be harder to investigate,

As it is, it just sounds like an attempt at appealing to the portion of society who get worked up into a froth over the concept of paedophilia and child porn, rather than some genuine attempt at censorship. It doesn't restrict anything that wasn't already illegal, it's simply putting a far greater burden of regulation on the adult entertainment industry, and some websites with user submitted content, which doesn't make a lick of sense coming from a republican government.

At 6/24/05 12:51 AM, azrag wrote: BUSH SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 I miss rotten its gonna be gone!!!111 mother fuc|<er I want bush to be probed in the ass by rotten and nintendo fan boys!!!!!111 Ok the government restricts radio and now they have rules of child pr0n~!!!!11

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Sorry, bout you're gonna have to post again when retarded kids stop making fun of you.

At 6/24/05 09:19 AM, TurnipClock wrote: another reason why i hate the republicans. this new law sucks.

No kiddy pr0n for you Mr. Liberal. :'(

At 6/24/05 06:56 PM, Iamrecognized wrote: Most sites probably make you give them ownership of things that you submit, but Newgrounds does not.

Probably?

I'm submitting to rate my kitten, and there is nothing that says this is thier property. Nor can I find any part of the law mentioned that specifies that it must be thier property.

It makes it clear that if you are distributing it, you need to have records, it doesn't make any exceptions for if it isn't your property.

At 6/24/05 09:22 PM, lollerskaters wrote:

At 6/24/05 09:19 AM, TurnipClock wrote: another reason why i hate the republicans. this new law sucks.

No kiddy pr0n for you Mr. Liberal. :'(

your an idiot

At 6/24/05 07:48 PM, Maus wrote:

At 6/24/05 06:26 PM, Jimsween wrote: As far as I can see, they work the exact same way. People submit stuff.

On other sites, once you submit it, it becomes their property. Newgrounds does not claim ownership or responsibility for what is uploaded.

Ha! Told you! Newgrounds does not own it, it is your problem, not theirs. So if you submit porn to Newgrounds, YOU need records, not Newgrounds.

At 6/23/05 01:06 PM, SkyCube wrote:

At 6/23/05 12:59 PM, silentkill wrote: Look here
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Crazy fucking Yanks!

Thank god I don't live in a country ruled by such idiots.

sadly, the internet is universal, it affects all countries sites, which is exactly why it can't be restriced, I bet they didn't get the consent of all countries that have access to the internet, thuswise, it dosen't apply to any website that isn't U.S gov owned, which is just about all of them, unless they get china, canada, australia, all of europe, ect. to agree to it, it's not valid. (I <3 loopholes, It dosen't really affect me anyways, I'm just semi-tedious like that...)

At 6/24/05 10:29 PM, Iamrecognized wrote: Ha! Told you! Newgrounds does not own it, it is your problem, not theirs. So if you submit porn to Newgrounds, YOU need records, not Newgrounds.

Contrary to popular belief. What Maus says isn't neccesarily true.

And at that I saw nothing that said rotten was taking ownership of the pictures I submitted, nor did the bill make any provisions for if the content was owned by the site. The distributor is the distributor wether or not the content is owned.

From the closed sites:

"If you voted for Bush, this is your fault. If you think this country is free, you are sadly mistaken. No nation has freedom when it is run by religious zealots."

Just what the fuck does this have to do with anything? In my opinion, the pals at Rotten.com are just pissed off about losing a good chunk of their material. After all, a lot of the picks at ratemyboobies.com or ratemyboner.com WERE probably underage anyways.
Now the Gaping Maw, that's unfortunate, but then again, why the hell didn't they make sure that they were posting legal porn pictures?
Rotten.com claims to be a site that pushes the buttons of 'Internet freedom'. Well guess what, they had it back now.

And it's NOT like the whole site is getting closed. So the guys at Rotten could just stop whining and update the Rotten Library for a change.
The law is NOT about fascism, it's about child porn. Poorly written while at that, but that doesn't mean it's intending to cut down any site that would deem as 'offensive'. So you guys could just cut it out with the whole "OMG THIS IS LYK 1984 STUFF!!!11! FASICM! OPPREISON!!" charade.

It's no9t fascism. It's not restricting the Internet. It's just a shitty law about child porn.

Thats the thing though, this clearly can't be to stop child porn. It makes no sense, pedophiles wouldn't even know if it was child porn or not. And if it was child porn, it was most likely submitted by the underage person volentarily.

It serves no societal benefit to ban it.

And when there is obvious child porn already on the internet it seems very suspiscious that they would target something that only could possibly have child porn.

That and all the other websites that have been censored are beginning to become worriesome.

I don't think that this law is totally retarded, seeing as it might shut things down like gore gallery and rotten. It still seems like they may be asking a bit much at the given time with current technology. As other have stated, trying to track everyone and making sure they are 18 is just about impossible, unless they can somehow get enough people and machines to track them.

Although there is one way I have seen that would allow everyone to more easily attempt doing this. Email notifications might deter some younger people from signing up just to look at some porn, so therefor they just don't go there because of that fear. By email notifications I am refering to a system where people would have to have a notification and certification number sent via email to their inbox in order to gain access to a website. Unless the kids get really desperate and have their own computers, then they would probably just give up.

Going even farther, we need more parent involvment. Things like not allowing your 13 year old son/daughter to have internet on their computer, and only have it on one computer in the house, that way things such as email and what they are doing are more easily tracked. Then when they are old enough, say 15-16, allow them to have internet on their computer.

So in the end, big laws like these really arn't the solution, but rather mulitpule things such as more parental involvment on childrens internet activities and systems of determent should help to bring problems down.

Newgrounds, as you should know, reports illegal things that are submitted. If someone gives you a bag of cocain, and you tell the police, would you go to jail. No! At least not legally.

At 6/24/05 11:00 PM, Empanado wrote: It's no9t fascism. It's not restricting the Internet. It's just a shitty law about child porn.

Agree here 100%.