Great leaders

[Black-boi7]

Who is the leader you most admire? And why?]

It could be anyone from Martin Luther King to George Bush.

just wondering.

[IcyLemon]

Fidel Castro because he's a fat, cool, south american gurrilla. Also he has a cigar!

[Toadenalin]

Lenin, I think... even though his ideas were grossly missapplied by later leaders, he influenced one nation to rise up and become a superpower, and strove for true equality.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Brian Boru or William Wallace would be my choice

[GorillaUnit485]

Karl Marx wasn't really a leader, but his ideas would make a hell of a leader.

[Curryator]

My favroute leader was Gandi because he did so much for Buddism and he didn't kill anyone.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 6/23/05 04:36 PM, Curryator wrote: My favroute leader was Gandi because he did so much for Buddism and he didn't kill anyone.

Ghandi was Hindu, mumbele fut.

[Curryator]

At 6/23/05 04:40 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

Ghandi was Hindu, mumbele fut.

sorry i made a mistake but he was still a great leader

[totalwar]

Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt. In my opion the two greatest presidents America has ever had (yes even better than Lincoln).

[Demosthenez]

At 6/23/05 04:54 PM, totalwar wrote: Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt. In my opion the two greatest presidents America has ever had (yes even better than Lincoln).

Tedster is my favorite President. By far.

Franklin is not on my good list : /

Best leader, eh? To hard to say. Almost impossible. Lots of people I admire throughout history, but I have no favorite.

[awkward-silence]

Viva Zapata!

[totalwar]

At 6/23/05 05:40 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Tedster is my favorite President. By far.

Mine too.

Franklin is not on my good list : /

What for? He did a hell of a job with WWII and stopping the Depression from getting worse.

[Demosthenez]

At 6/23/05 07:51 PM, totalwar wrote: What for? He did a hell of a job with WWII and stopping the Depression from getting worse.

He created modern goverment the way we know it today. The largess, the increased taxes, the ineffeciency, etc. And he didnt really do anything to stop the depression. I mean, I can respect him cause he tried, but everything he did didnt really do anything. Fact is, only reason we look good upon him is because of WWII.

And a lot of the problems we see coming up today are because of his creations and their offspring, like Social Security, Medicare and such. Me not a fan of large goverment.

[Jimsween]

At 6/23/05 07:56 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: And he didnt really do anything to stop the depression. I mean, I can respect him cause he tried, but everything he did didnt really do anything. Fact is, only reason we look good upon him is because of WWII.

You forget that by his second term he had already reduced unemployment by 10%.

He did alot to stop the depression, but the fact is the depression was so huge only so much can be expected.

And yeah, some of his ideas are causing problems now, but thats not his fault, he planned 70 years ahead, were the idiots that couldn't keep it going.

[Memorize]

Since it has to be a leader, id say Ronald Reagan.

[Empanado]

I really admire Mao.

I mean, in an age where tyrants, dictators, despots and megalomaniacs ran rampant, Mao made quite an impressive way into becoming the shittiest from them all.

[Jlop985]

Teddy Roosevelt has already been mentioned, but I second him as a great leader. Truly concerned for the poor and respected blacks. Later in life he even supported women's suffrage and full racial equality when even arch-liberal president Wilson opposed those.

I think some leaders that are overlooked are the leaders of recent freedom movements, particularly those standing against communism. Lech Walesa, Vaclav Havel, and others faced imprisonment and economic hardships in order to stand up for liberty and democracy.

[Kev-o]

Emiliano Zapata and MLK JR.

[ge-dm5]

1st of all you did not say why.

i would say Gorge Wasington because if it wasnt for him, america would have a king.
that should explain its self.

[tre-x]

At 6/23/05 04:31 PM, GorillaUnit485 wrote: Karl Marx wasn't really a leader, but his ideas would make a hell of a leader.

Marx made plenty of winners! Stalin, Lenin, all of the USSR....

Ghandi and Lincoln win my praise.

[totalwar]

At 6/23/05 11:00 PM, ge_dm5 wrote: i would say Gorge Wasington because if it wasnt for him, america would have a king.
that should explain its self.

Not really. The army offered him the crown and he turned it down, had he taken it the other Founders would have been after his head.

[Airbuster]

you know, im gonna have to go with Napoleon... a ruthless leader, basically a brilliant man strategically... noone could stop him... except waterloo of course, because theyre.... WATERLOOK *echo*

[GorillaUnit485]

At 6/23/05 11:00 PM, -trex- wrote:

Marx made plenty of winners! Stalin, Lenin, all of the USSR....

Not true, they stopped before it could go all the way through. A purely communist society would be a utopia. You can't blame Marx for what evil men did with his ideas. They turned hope for a better nation for the poor into a socialist dictatorship.

[TurnipClock]

for me it's either hitler or nebuchadnezzar

[totalwar]

At 6/24/05 12:09 AM, GorillaUnit485 wrote:

At 6/23/05 11:00 PM, -trex- wrote:

Marx made plenty of winners! Stalin, Lenin, all of the USSR....

A purely communist society would be a utopia.

On paper yeah. IN real life no because you can't have total state ownership and distribution of wealth. It's too much work for one entity not to mention highly suceptable to corruption that makes the US government look positively saintly. Communism/socialism in all it's ugly forms will never work.

[Memorize]

One of the reasons why i like ronald reagan:

[GorillaUnit485]

At 6/24/05 12:13 AM, totalwar wrote:

On paper yeah. IN real life no because you can't have total state ownership and distribution of wealth. It's too much work for one entity not to mention highly suceptable to corruption that makes the US government look positively saintly. Communism/socialism in all it's ugly forms will never work.

Let's not get into the communist discussion. But that's exactly what I'm saying, it is a Utopia on paper, and Karl Marx wrote the book! (books are on paper)

And you're right, it never worked. But if, in theory, it did, it would be a Utopia.
Karl Marx was teh shit.

[totalwar]

At 6/24/05 12:24 AM, GorillaUnit485 wrote: Let's not get into the communist discussion. But that's exactly what I'm saying, it is a Utopia on paper, and Karl Marx wrote the book! (books are on paper)

Yeah that's the last thing I need is fighting the same war in two threads. :\

[Jimsween]

At 6/24/05 12:18 AM, TimeFrame wrote: One of the reasons why i like ronald reagan:

Hah.

Guess where I'm from.

[darklad]

jamal abd al nasser, king hussien of jordan