Mass Zero Voters Petition

[PiePie]

Countless of musicians have suffered threw the disgracful and low class zero voters in the audio portal. I PiePie am starting a petition fow all musicians to sign. This is a step forward for Newgorunds if this petition works.

If you tired and angry and want change please take a moment too sign the petition in the link below to sned word to Lil Jim and Hopefully he will respond in a positive way.

Thank you for your time and please sign the petition, every signature makes a difference.

Mass Zero Voting Petition

[Psybot]

exccelent idea!

i will be the first after piepie to sign!

down with zero voters!

[TenchuX]

There is never going to be a way to stop the massive 0 voters. People with DSL or Proxy's can simply change their IP and usernames and vote 0 as much as they want. The only possible to minimize the effect of 0 voting is to give a reason for people who dont normally roam the Audio Portal a reason to vote. The only way I could ever see that happening would be if the Audio Portal basically copied the Flash Portal and had a blam/protect system where experience is given to users on this site for hearing songs. That in turn would generate more high score's for the songs that deserve it and negate the effects of 0 votes. Mass 0 voting has not really effected the best flash submissions because so many have given the best flash's the high scores they deserve. There have been a lot of posts on the 0 voting's as of late that have gotten locked so dont be upset of one of the admins lock this. Trust me I hate 0 voters as much as anyone, a few days ago every single one of my songs was voted 0 on. Anyway, to sum it up the only way to negate the effect of mass zero votings is to attract more people to vote.

[PiePie]

At 6/17/05 09:12 PM, TenchuX wrote: There is never going to be a way to stop the massive 0 voters. People with DSL or Proxy's t

sign it is worth a try. Plus if Newgrounds could implant a system that cuts 60% of zero voting then by all means It is worth it.

Of course I know that zero votign will never end but we could at least minimize it.

[TenchuX]

The only way to cut down 0 voting by 60% would be for more 4-5's to negate the 0 and results would be higher scores. The only way to do that is to get more people to go to the Audio Portal. I dont see how there could be a different system theat could cut down 60% of 0 voting. Trust me, when you are in the flash portal, there are so many votes on submissions that ten 0's in a row wouldn't do much of a difference to the overall score. If the Flash Portal system was inplemented in the Audio Portal I think you would see a big difference. Anyway, GL with your petition.

[PiePie]

At 6/17/05 09:24 PM, TenchuX wrote: The only way to cut down 0 voting by 60% would be for more 4-5's to negate the 0 and results

the system is fine well kind of it need a few tweaks. I am asking to track down a demolish the zero voters.

Everyone put the link in your sig please!

[Chronamut]

there is NO WAY liljim is gonna waste his time changing a perfectly legit system for a place that, like he says - contributes to .3% of newgrounds traffic. It's not the system that sucks its the people that use it that suck. Just get more people to rate your stuff and the good will eventually outweigh the bad.

Or maybe just make better music - you never know - those zero voters might just wanna egg you on to make better crap,...

[PiePie]

Crono Crono Crono.....

yes there could be a way to make this work I can't give you a legit answer becuase I myslef don't no programming but there is a way to cut down the zero voting.

And you the one who complain about this now that you can do something about it your not participating tisk tisk.

[MrMcPooner]

lol. this is funny...look the system is bad because there is no incentive to vote. THE END. As said somewhere up top earlier 1 screwball with the ability to change his IP can vote 0 as much as he wants and nothing can be done to stop it. Also, knowing who did the 0 votes doesnt change anything and admins are not going to release the names of the people who did it even if they could because it would violate some sort of privacy act or god knows what and it would cause chaos. I'm sure if they knew who it was they would have IP banned the person allready...to bad they can make as many IP's as they want rofl. Your petition wont work unless u get at least 5,000 sigs from different people.

[Erectronik]

i agree with tenchu, we need a balm/protect system with exp points to get people to actually want to vote honestly on things

[Karbon]

I have suffered with zero voters dearly, its like a homless commercial. Thank you for helping me, and i too signed.

[T7online]

I signed too:D

[Rucklo]

I signed.

/Rucklo

[PiePie]

First off it wasn't my idea it was Denvish's idea im just doing it. Second off yes there could be change because not all zero voter's go to teh extreme's to make numerous attempts to vote 0 on your song. So something can be done about it to minize the abuse of the system. Also a blam/protect thing would be a good idea.....

[LJCoffee]

At 6/17/05 08:47 PM, PiePie wrote: If you tired and angry and want change please take a moment too sign the petition in the link below to sned word to Lil Jim and Hopefully he will respond in a positive way.

PiePie - I like your stuff and we seem to generally get along but What exactly is the petition for?

- It looks to me like it's just a petition to "do something about it" but you haven't really made any suggestions about what to do...

I hate the zero votes too - we all do - hell, I'm pretty sure that a few of my songs got a couple of zeros just because I gave a crappy flash submission a bad review and they wanted to "show me..."

How about we discuss HOW the system might be changed and THEN petition to affect those specific changes...

I agree with MrMcPooner - No incentive for audio votes - NOBODY bothers -

I'm pretty sure that if you want to find the zero voters - just watch the top songs in each genre - when new stuff appears and then - pow pow pow - _SomeRandomShit_'s songs are back at the top again I think it might be safe to say that _SomeRandomShit_ may be voting zeros to try to make his/her submissions LOOK better...
(not a real user - just illustrative)

Point for votes may attract more people to the AP to vote - maybe 2 points per flash for a total of 10 points plus 1 point for audio for another bonus 3 or something... But then you'll STILL have _SomeRandomShit_ voting Zero EARLY on your stuff so that it disappears down into the void and then people will STILL only see his/her shit to vote on. keeping thier scores artificially inflated and all of ours low...

No real solution in sight...

:(

Sorry man - I'm not trying to piss in your cheerios, but I can't see how a petition will help without an implementable solution attached...

[GoreBastard]

At 6/18/05 01:17 PM, ljcoffee wrote:

Point for votes may attract more people to the AP to vote - maybe 2 points per flash for a total of 10 points plus 1 point for audio for another bonus 3 or something... But then you'll STILL have _SomeRandomShit_ voting Zero EARLY on your stuff so that it disappears down into the void and then people will STILL only see his/her shit to vote on. keeping thier scores artificially inflated and all of ours low...

One problem is that the audio pages are arranged by score automatically, so what I do is click on the 'date' link, to see what I've missed, maybe it should be set to 'date' order by default instead of 'score' order.

I hate zero voters as well as everyone, but today I was shocked when I looked on the metal page, and the top 7 songs were mine, all with a score of over 4!!! Hahahaaa, Maybe the zero voters like me, but hate everyone else!!!

[GoreBastard]

What the piss, I signed it, refreshed it, closed it, re-opened it, and my sig still isn't on there, should I do it again or do I have to wait or something?

[Krank]

sign

[Poetic-Reven]

At 6/17/05 10:24 PM, MrMcPooner wrote: lol. this is funny...look the system is bad because there is no incentive to vote. THE END. As said somewhere up top earlier 1 screwball with the ability to change his IP can vote 0 as much as he wants and nothing can be done to stop it. Also, knowing who did the 0 votes doesnt change anything and admins are not going to release the names of the people who did it even if they could because it would violate some sort of privacy act or god knows what and it would cause chaos. I'm sure if they knew who it was they would have IP banned the person allready...to bad they can make as many IP's as they want rofl. Your petition wont work unless u get at least 5,000 sigs from different people.

iight I see where he is comin from but if Ng can have more administrators
like the bests in the portal or the person with the highest level should able able to ban the ppl
if everything goes the way it goes the audio portal will b like the flash portal but IT WILL TAKE TIME
we can't rush this
we have to take it slow
the 0 votin will never stop cuz for every playa there is a hater
so just keep on makin ya music and brush the "0's"
off ya shoulders my shit gets rated down all the time
but I'm still on the front page of the hip hop section if ppl wanna rate my shit down o fuckin well I know I'm at the peak of my producin skillz and all I can do is get better
so they can kiss my ass
to the third fuckin degree

b ezy everybody

keep uppin' with ya music
respect to all artists

Reven~Out~

~1~

[GoreBastard]

FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK, WHY WON'T IT WORK...
Fucking hell, I keep trying to sign this fucking petition thing. Everytime I do it says's OK... but fuck me... when I reload the page, I'm not on there. What the fuck am I doing wrong? I've signed it about 3 times now, and it still won't show up?

[KupaMan]

Heaven forbid people vote what they feel something deserves. And if you are going to say, "Nuh-uh! They just do it for the points!" then your can ram a cactus up your ass because you get nothing for voting on audio. If you're mad because your audio is getting crappy scores, don't blame the ones giving it zeros. If it's actually good music, then it will get a good score. If it's crappy music, then it'll probably get a crappy score. That's it.

[MrMcPooner]

At 6/19/05 12:16 AM, KupaMan wrote: Heaven forbid people vote what they feel something deserves. And if you are going to say, "Nuh-uh! They just do it for the points!" then your can ram a cactus up your ass because you get nothing for voting on audio. If you're mad because your audio is getting crappy scores, don't blame the ones giving it zeros. If it's actually good music, then it will get a good score. If it's crappy music, then it'll probably get a crappy score. That's it.

I think you would be shocked at the amount of quality songs that get flooded with 0's right away so no one ever hears them *as they can never get back the the front page* and thus they can never get high scores.

[MrMcPooner]

At 6/18/05 02:33 PM, GoreBastard wrote: What the piss, I signed it, refreshed it, closed it, re-opened it, and my sig still isn't on there, should I do it again or do I have to wait or something?

Perhaps it doesnt do it because your name has Bastard in it and it does not allow words included like that via a language filter. I'd sign it as GoreB.astard or something.

[Rucklo]

At 6/19/05 12:16 AM, KupaMan wrote: Heaven forbid people vote what they feel something deserves. And if you are going to say, "Nuh-uh! They just do it for the points!" then your can ram a cactus up your ass because you get nothing for voting on audio. If you're mad because your audio is getting crappy scores, don't blame the ones giving it zeros. If it's actually good music, then it will get a good score. If it's crappy music, then it'll probably get a crappy score. That's it.

Thats the way it could be, were the ap more popular. Thing is, not that many ppl vote in the ap. Therefore, a small amount of 0 votes matters, even one 0 vote is devastating. There are many new audio sub´s every day, and an uploaded song stays on the ap frontpage for 12-24 hours. During that time it usually gets somewehere between 0-30 downloads, and one can only guess how many ppl actually listens to it. And of course not that many ppl vote, and the ones who actually votes are many times so called "zer0 voters", that i guess want to make their own songs climb in hte lists by getting everyone elses songs downrated.
I´m speaking from 8 month experience in the ap, that aint that much, but it´s enough to know how things actually works around here.

I take it u really don´t pay that much attention yourself to the ap, should you, u´d easily see how things works around here.
Do you really think all the critisism about the ap voting system are just bullshit that easily can be overlooked? Thing about ap not having a good voting system is that its not as popular as the main flash portal in aaaaages, and as long as we don´t get a good and rewarding voting system, its probably gonna stay that way. Newgrounds is a flash animation site, but an invitation to musical artists has been given via the ap. Now the (slowly?) growing AP frequenters wants changes.

But you´re right, what you explain is how it SHOULD work, the reality is quite different. So I belive U can keep taht catus of yours and save it untill you´ve learned a little more of how things work at the present here in the AP.
Welcome, it´s small but nice sub-community with many nice ppl!

/Rucklo

[Chronamut]

well.. there are also factors that affect how well your song will score...

if its been done a million times, it will most likely be downrated unless its fucking AMAZING!

for the other genres if its like mainstream or familiar it will most likely do well.

And if you are well known, well you get an even distribution of both and your song will look like its fighting itself to stay at the top. For some paradoxal reason my songs seem to do really well in my portal while every elses well.. don't.

Take rucklo for example, hes become well known, so his submissions dont do too badly, and if they are downrated, well they are usually uprated again not soon after.. same with B0UNC3, mind you, the more well-known you are the more FLAME reviews you get..

but ya there is nothign wrong with the system. Just make better songs and get yourself known more and dont wait like a month to make another song and expect the last song to remain at the top - you're not the only one on this site that wants to be at the top - and you're not the BEST audio musician in the world- so keep making songs and keep trying harder!

[ShinDenjin]

signed...

[GoreBastard]

At 6/19/05 07:38 AM, MrMcPooner wrote:

I think you would be shocked at the amount of quality songs that get flooded with 0's right away so no one ever hears them *as they can never get back the the front page* and thus they can never get high scores.

Like I said though, there's the 'date' link. Just click that every once in a while to arrange the tracks by date indtead of score, so you can check out the most recent submissions. I always do it and I havn't missed any new uploads for months in the metal section.

[GoreBastard]

At 6/19/05 07:42 AM, MrMcPooner wrote:

Perhaps it doesnt do it because your name has Bastard in it and it does not allow words included like that via a language filter. I'd sign it as GoreB.astard or something.

Yeah, you were right, I've signed it now as GoreB4stard. It worked that time. Cheers.

[SpamWarrior]

At 6/18/05 05:44 PM, Poetic_Reven wrote:
iight I see where he is comin from but if Ng can have more administrators
like the bests in the portal or the person with the highest level should able able to ban the ppl

We've had this one through already.
Firstly, who is the best? its a matter of personal opinion for some, for others it should be based on the scores which themselves, are skewed by zero votes.
Secondly, not many of these top artists could be arsed pissing about, wasting time on moderating newgrounds when they could be writing tracks, living, breathing, etc.

if everything goes the way it goes the audio portal will b like the flash portal but IT WILL TAKE TIME
we can't rush this
we have to take it slow
the 0 votin will never stop cuz for every playa there is a hater
so just keep on makin ya music and brush the "0's"
off ya shoulders my shit gets rated down all the time
but I'm still on the front page of the hip hop section if ppl wanna rate my shit down o fuckin well I know I'm at the peak of my producin skillz and all I can do is get better
so they can kiss my ass
to the third fuckin degree

I think , that if you know your work is good, you ought to give yourself a little celebration everytime you get voted down, It means someone knows you are competition.
If you're work isnt so good, take it as further inspiration. Make or break time.

b ezy everybody

keep uppin' with ya music
respect to all artists

Reven~Out~

~1~

Respect, yourself. What kind of style and musician are you?

[TVs-Slayer]

Well, it wouldn't be such a problem if more people actually voted, and no one really votes on songs, being that it has no weight, and theres really no incentive. Meh, I don't take my scores seriously anyways. I just notice a big drop in my scores right around 11:58 on Tuesdays... hm...