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At 6/17/05 02:06 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Deaths caused by Cannabis aren't the only thing that you need to look at. Cannabis is a drug. All drugs are addictive. An addiction,to most drugs, can fuck up the body,the mind,families and lives, and trust me the latter two, families and lives being fucked up, are far more important than the user getting screwed over by their own stupidity if they absue the drug.

Alcohol is a heavily addictive drug that turns people violent and has few or no health benifits. Marijuana has no physical addiction, turns people passive and has several proven health benifits. True it has a psychological addiction, but so does ice cream.

At 6/17/05 05:22 AM, -idle- wrote: I myself smoke, and can't see how the government has any say in what I personally choose to do to my body. Which brings us to the simple fact that its illegal for the wrong reasons.

Agree 100%.

At 6/17/05 02:06 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Deaths caused by Cannabis aren't the only thing that you need to look at. Cannabis is a drug. All drugs are addictive.

Ha, good call Sherlock. To bad you didnt add the part where you said the addiction is only psychological. *cough*DUMBASS*cough*

Deaths caused by Cannabis aren't the only thing that you need to look at.

There is none.

At 6/17/05 01:18 AM, ChibiChii wrote: Myth: Smoking industrial hemp gets a person high.

No fucking duh! Industrial hemp is the stalk. Weed is the leaves.

i've actually looked some things up about pot today. today's kids that smoke pot are pretty much just smoking thc. todays pot is 30 times stronger than it was back in the 60 and 70. Anyways you people can smoke all the pot you want, but do you know where your getting your pot.

At 6/17/05 05:48 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Ha, good call Sherlock. To bad you didnt add the part where you said the addiction is only psychological. *cough*DUMBASS*cough*

Whether its psycological or not doesn't matter. its still addictive. And whislt Spiffy McPerson brought up that Ice cream is also psycologically addictive, Ice cream can't screw up your mind. Whilst Cannabis might not do any physical damage to the body like Alcohol can, it has been linked to some mental disorders.

Whilst the cannabis might not cause first hand damage to the body the mental disorders which can be caused by abuse of cannabis can cause bodily harm. Even though the cannabis isn't doing the damge first hand, its still responisble.

There is none.

Realy?

If you read that you'll come to a bit that says that long term users run the risks of long term health effects. And as it also says that 10% of people who try it become daily users and 30 percent become weekly users, the mroe those users smoke it the mroe likeley they are likely to abuse it. They abuse it heavily and voila they are gonna suffer from the long term health risks. The Cancer which it can cause, the mental disorders its believed to be linked to.

Oh and if you think its got no bad side effects then you are in need of a wake up call.

and with that I'm not gonna bother checking back in this as by your comment of "*cough*Dumbass*cough" you have well and truly proved to me that you aren't going to bothe reven looking at the other sid eof the argument in this, and to have a constructive debate that's what needs to happen. IF your not going to do that then I'm not gonna bother debating with you.

Toodle Pip.

At 6/18/05 04:09 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Whether its psycological or not doesn't matter. its still addictive. And whislt Spiffy McPerson brought up that Ice cream is also psycologically addictive, Ice cream can't screw up your mind. Whilst Cannabis might not do any physical damage to the body like Alcohol can, it has been linked to some mental disorders.

E-mail is more damaging to your IQ than marijuana.

And as it also says that 10% of people who try it become daily users and 30 percent become weekly users, the mroe those users smoke it the mroe likeley they are likely to abuse it.

That is because 30 percent liked it enough to continue smoking on a weekly basis. That in no way means that there is a physical addiction.

And as for the bad side effects - it is rare that marijuana can cause major psychological damage, and then it's usually in chronic smokers. Cancer and all harmful physical effects are a byproduct of smoking - the method of delivery - rather than the drug. If cigarettes are legal, pot should be legal too. Personally I think it would be better if somebody could synthesize THC so it could be delivered in a less harmful way.

At 6/18/05 05:05 PM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote: E-mail is more damaging to your IQ than marijuana.

That is news to me.

That is because 30 percent liked it enough to continue smoking on a weekly basis. That in no way means that there is a physical addiction.

A physical addiciton is when the bodies chemical levels shift. When they return to normal the affects on the person usually make them feel like shit. So to counteract this they use more drugs to change the balance in their body so they feel better.

I never siad that was what happened. You and everyone else is right. Marijuana isn't a physical ddiciton it is a physcological one.

But my point still stands. The more you use a drug, the more you body builds up a resistance to it. Which means you need more of the drug to get the desired afefcts. As the amount of drugs used increases so does the chane of gettong the side-effects.

And as for the bad side effects - it is rare that marijuana can cause major psychological damage, and then it's usually in chronic smokers.

any one who smokes the stuff can become a chronic smoker. That is the nature of anything that is addicitve (whether physically or Pschologically) most people who have their first fag think " Hey I'll just have it this once" and then theya r eone 20 a dya for life. What the hell is gonna stop that from happening to people who smoke MArijuana?

If cigarettes are legal, pot should be legal too

No it shouldn't as Cigarettes shouldn't be legal either. If the affects of Smoking was known to the governments thta legalised smoking I don't think they would have made it legal.

Personally I think it would be better if somebody could synthesize THC so it could be delivered in a less harmful way.

What would be even better would be to isolate what caused the high in the THC ( no idea if that's posisble or not) so there are no risks what so ever.

And yes I know I said I wouldn't post in here again bu I realised how stupid it was for me to say that :-\ So yeah....sorry for being a prat.

I still ask, if I want to fuck up my body in the privacy of my house, not affecting anyone, why should the goverment tell me its illegal?

Mind if I jump in?

At 6/18/05 05:46 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

But my point still stands. The more you use a drug, the more you body builds up a resistance to it. Which means you need more of the drug to get the desired afefcts. As the amount of drugs used increases so does the chane of gettong the side-effects.

The side effect's are pretty much a non-issue just given the current state of things. I mean fast food causes diabetes, obesity and other life threatening conditions. the worst proven side effect are thing like memory-loss which is nothing more than a minor inconvenience

any one who smokes the stuff can become a chronic smoker. That is the nature of anything that is addicitve (whether physically or Pschologically) most people who have their first fag think " Hey I'll just have it this once" and then theya r eone 20 a dya for life. What the hell is gonna stop that from happening to people who smoke MArijuana?

Are you british? Any one who drinks coffee can become a chronic coffee drinker. There are tons of thing in life that are addictive either physically or psychologically so I don't think addiction is any real reason to have something outlawed. I mean caffeine is physically addictive and you can get in coffee, soda and energy drinks.

What would be even better would be to isolate what caused the high in the THC ( no idea if that's posisble or not) so there are no risks what so ever.

It's acctually been done, or is in the works of being done. Pills have been mad with what is essentially synthetic THC. Also by using a vaporizer you can get the THC out of weed without smoking it and then get none of the adverse effect caused by smoking.

And yes I know I said I wouldn't post in here again bu I realised how stupid it was for me to say that :-\ So yeah....sorry for being a prat.

you said prat, your totally british!!!! thats so awesome

At 6/18/05 06:32 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: I still ask, if I want to fuck up my body in the privacy of my house, not affecting anyone, why should the goverment tell me its illegal?

because what happens if you have a family. Saying i want to shoot up coke or smoke pot and then crash my car or OD and then the family is left without a bread winner or anything. Eventually they have to live of the government and tada the go'vt is pissed off.

At 6/17/05 06:02 PM, totalwar wrote: No fucking duh! Industrial hemp is the stalk. Weed is the leaves.

No you fuck its the BUDS and leaves, mostly the BUDS. DUH!

At 6/18/05 06:39 PM, amm1 wrote: because what happens if you have a family. Saying i want to shoot up coke or smoke pot and then crash my car or OD and then the family is left without a bread winner or anything. Eventually they have to live of the government and tada the go'vt is pissed off.

I never said anything about coke. And you cant OD off pot unless you are some crazy sonofabitch with pounds of pot to smoke.

And I said in the privacy of my own home. You wanna make stifer driving under the influence laws, cool. I do to. I dont drive high anyway. Or drunk for that matter.

And driving high is still sketch. Its SUCH a bad high when you driving and paranoid about hitting something. Will never ever drive high again.

At 6/18/05 05:46 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 6/18/05 05:05 PM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote: If cigarettes are legal, pot should be legal too

No it shouldn't as Cigarettes shouldn't be legal either. If the affects of Smoking was known to the governments thta legalised smoking I don't think they would have made it legal.

If you look a few posts back, I said the same thing. I think both cigarettes and pot should be illegal until a beter delivery system for the drug is made, but it's just hypocritical to have one legal and the other not.

Oh yeah, and what fedges said too.

man i second that,like cigarettes are just as bad man only taste badder and arent as good atlest u get sumthin out of weeed

It looks like we can right the conspiracy in the US. We need the whole world's help though. If you know the reasons it is illegal in other countries, post here:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=290774&page=6

At 6/17/05 05:22 AM, -idle- wrote: I don't think so. I mean, is there really any justifiable reason for making smoking a plant which grows naturally, against the law?

I myself smoke, and can't see how the government has any say in what I personally choose to do to my body. Which brings us to the simple fact that its illegal for the wrong reasons.

Illegalize hemp in recreational uses? Why?

Here's a good reason that I learned from a bio major friend of mine. When you smoke pot the THC kills the part of your pre-frontal cortex that holds memories. In other words pot smokers don't learn as well, not to mention forget shit they've already learned. Which could be really bad if you, say, kill the brain cells that help you remember how to drive, for an example.

Pot Is Bad. No way around it.

lol.

I'm staying out of this argument, the only thing I have to say is that an important first step in legalization is being petitioned for right now. It's in another thread on politics,

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=299618

If any weed supporters are interested.

At 6/16/05 04:37 PM, Toadenalin wrote:

When was the last time you heard of a death due to directly taking dope?

Last year

Damn that sucks he probably got poisned by the shit the growers put in the hydroponics system. If they dont clean it out (you can tell!) im pretty sure it fucks you up.
I stopped smoking dope it was really fucking up my life man i just couldnt chat to people anymore and i was having seriouslly bad fucking delusions. and crazy paranoia anyone want to hear any stories???
Great article Really well written i can say i truley learnt something today!

At 6/17/05 06:30 AM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote: First it's absurd that manufacturing hemp products is illegal.

With marijuana however, it's a little different. I have nothing against recreational drug use - alcohol is fine and so is caffiene - but as long as the only delivery method for THC is through smoking I think it should remain illegal. On the same note, I think cigarettes should be illegal too. They're just so incredibly bad for your body.

Cigarettes are KNOWN to be killing thousands of people a day. Why hasn't any government banned them? Because they are making BILLIONS of dollars a year by letting people smoke. They are making money on taxing cigarettes as well as people paying for the hospitalization that goes with it. Which brings me back to the main point of this conversation. Yes, I agree that back with Hearst there was a conspiracy against cannabis. Just so he could make oodles of money while raping our forests. I'd like to add that the whole opening topic was very well done and articulate. What a nice change from some of the rants I've had the *ahem* pleasure of reading.