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At 6/20/05 12:18 PM, SlipperyShah wrote:

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Your assumption that homosexuals brought it to humans through fucking monkeys is a ridiculous one.

Actually, he's correct in saying the disease originated in monkeys, and it passed on from monkeys to humans easily because of the biological similarities between the two species.

While it's plausible that it could have happened because somebody screwed a monkey, that probably isn't how it happened. It can be passed on via saliva, open wounds...most anything that involves body fluids. Somebody could have been tending to a sick monkey...a monkey could have drooled on their food...

Etc, etc.

First of all, okay, didn't realise people knew so much about the origin of AIDS. Myself, I didn't know, so semi-ignore that part of my last post.

At 6/20/05 12:20 PM, amm1 wrote: Most likely straight people that aren't fucked up in the head and fuck animals wouldn't have done it. i'm even suprised why gay people did it too.

Diseases aren't just carried over through sex you know. Even STDs can be transferred by other means.

At 6/20/05 12:20 PM, amm1 wrote:

kangoro i don't hate gays i dislike thier lifestyle but i don't hate them personally, but i'll tolerate but why would it have come to humans if people didn't rape monkeys. Most likely straight people that aren't fucked up in the head and fuck animals wouldn't have done it. i'm even suprised why gay people did it too.

You managed to contradict yourself wonderfully there.

"Raping a monkey" is not the only way the disease could have been transmitted, as mentioned in my previous post.

You managed to contradict yourself wonderfully there.

"Raping a monkey" is not the only way the disease could have been transmitted, as mentioned in my previous post.

sorry but i didn't see the earlier post. but if this could have happended anytime why did it happen twenty years ago when humans have been living around monkeys and have tamed them for centuries.

At 6/20/05 12:30 PM, amm1 wrote: sorry but i didn't see the earlier post. but if this could have happended anytime why did it happen twenty years ago when humans have been living around monkeys and have tamed them for centuries.

Not all monkeys would have carried HIV or AIDS.

Also, yes, it could have happened anytime. If it had happened centuries ago, you could say, if it could have happened any time, why then, and not twenty years ago? It happens once, so it can only happen at one time. If it could have happened at any time, it's only gonna happen at one of those times. So the answer it - humans just got unlucky. Pure(ish) chance.

At 6/20/05 12:30 PM, amm1 wrote:

sorry but i didn't see the earlier post. but if this could have happended anytime why did it happen twenty years ago when humans have been living around monkeys and have tamed them for centuries.

Why did the SARS virus suddenly emerge out of nowhere a couple of years back?
Why did the bubonic plague epidemic not surface centuries before it did?

Etc, etc.

HIV is a virus, a living organism. There are any number reasons why it didn't surface before it did. Perhaps previously it didn't have the ability to jump the species barrier, but a fluke mutation gave it that ability.

The same issue is worrying scientiests studying the bird flu virus in Asia at the moment. At the moment, there have been no human to human cases of transmission of the virus, simply because at the moment the virus does not have the ability to jump from human to human.

However, there is a chance that it could gain this ability by combining with a human flu virus - which does have the ability to transmit between humans.

Point is, a virus needs certain conditions under which it can operate. HIV is no exception, something happened that enabled it to infect humans at that point. What it was, I don't know.

Amuno indo-defenciency syndrom (AIDS) first appear in humans in Africa. The virus itself came from monkeys. Now, as we all (should) know, sex is not the only way to transfer AIDS; mixing blood can do it. The common theory of how it got transferred into humans is that a hunter in an African tribe was skinning a monkey that had AIDS, and in the process he accidently cut himself, causing the blood to mix.

At 6/20/05 04:20 PM, altanese_mistress wrote: Amuno indo-defenciency syndrom (AIDS) first appear in humans in Africa. The virus itself came from monkeys. Now, as we all (should) know, sex is not the only way to transfer AIDS; mixing blood can do it. The common theory of how it got transferred into humans is that a hunter in an African tribe was skinning a monkey that had AIDS, and in the process he accidently cut himself, causing the blood to mix.

AIDs is not what is transmitted. HIV is the virus, and AIDs is a (fatal) side effect of HIV.

At 6/20/05 05:59 AM, FAB0L0US wrote: Whens the last time youve seen heteros labeled as evil and a minority in society? There, thats the answer.

Gays are a minority in our present day society; I see no problem in labeling them that. As far as Gays being evil, it's the simple matter of freedom of speech. I do not see how a parady does anything but fuel the fire.

The parade is not so they can be outcasts, its to show they are there and they aint leaving. I personally think it is to raise awarness and become more acceptable and mainstream in society, so they dont HAVE to feel like otcasts.

I'm pretty sure we all know that Homosexuals are here to stay; so then what does the parady really do? Awarness is being raised everytime you turn on the TV, and is seemingly exceptable to mainstream society. The ones who label them Evil arn't going to be swayed by any parade.

At 6/15/05 07:59 PM, sosjulian wrote: Is anyone here homophobic?

That's like asking the Pope if he wears a hat.
The majority of NG users are around 13-18, homophobia runs rampant and unchecked through the threads of this board.

People that are homophobic should try to take the time to talk to a homosexual, it helps u see it different...seriously, i use to be the biggest homophobe around here..then this one guy i didn't know was a homosexual, so we were good friends..i didn't even notice until he told me...Homosexuals aren't always the "faggets" we picture, alot of them are just like us..hell they are the same as us, they just have a different sexual prefference...since when is theyre sexual prefference any of our business anyways?

I'm not really homophobic or anything.

However, there's a lot of homophobic junk out there that tends to tickle my funnybone(r).

Such as this.

At 6/20/05 04:20 PM, altanese_mistress wrote: Amuno indo-defenciency syndrom (AIDS)

"Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome" (AIDS). I just wanted to clear that up. ^_^

At 6/22/05 06:51 PM, VerseChorusVerse wrote:

At 6/20/05 04:20 PM, altanese_mistress wrote: Amuno indo-defenciency syndrom (AIDS)

"Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome" (AIDS). I just wanted to clear that up. ^_^

She's not every teen. -_-

At 6/22/05 07:38 PM, Empanado wrote: She's not every teen. -_-

Who isn't? Me?

At 6/22/05 08:00 PM, altanese_mistress wrote: Who isn't? Me?

I honestly have no idea. I feel dizzy today.

OMG! I no longer know what anything means.

OMG! I no longer know what anything means.

welcome to the club lad.

:At 6/20/05 12:23 PM, kangarooka wrote:

While it's plausible that it could have happened because somebody screwed a monkey, that probably isn't how it happened. It can be passed on via saliva, open wounds...most anything that involves body fluids. Somebody could have been tending to a sick monkey...a monkey could have drooled on their food...

Etc, etc.

To become infected with HIV you must get a sufficient quantity of HIV into the bloodstream. Saliva does contain HIV, but the virus is only present in very small quantities and as such, cannot cause HIV infection.

I'm not homophobic because I don't consider homosexuals any different from hetrosexuals and considering 1 in 10 people statistically are gay one of you homophobes may get a shock when steve who you've known since you were 11 trys it on with you. I'm happy with it as long as no dudes try and get with me :D

At 6/20/05 07:54 AM, TurnipClock wrote:

At 6/20/05 06:27 AM, Toadenalin wrote: and the chance for contracting certain illnesses are dramatically lessened

the chances of getting stds are the same you idiot.

Not quite. It's fair to say that some STIs are more common in the gay community - there is more chance of blood mixing, for a start - but some are not. Clemydia (sp?) is amazingly infrequently occuring, as it usually needs a vagina to gestate in - the penis is too easy to clean.
Yes, the chances are the same - higher even - but that's clearly not what I meant. You idiot.

Can I ask a slightly different question?
Is anyone here genuinly homophobic - not just thinks its wierd, or unnatural, but truely thinks gays are evil?
Could I hear your arguments please, as I'm interested to know if there are some things I may have overlooked in taking the stance I do on this issue.

Can I ask a slightly different question?
Is anyone here genuinly homophobic - not just thinks its wierd, or unnatural, but truely thinks gays are evil?
Could I hear your arguments please, as I'm interested to know if there are some things I may have overlooked in taking the stance I do on this issue.

no i don't think anyone here is that bad, except maybe for punisher.

It saddens me to say this, but yeah Newgrounds is absolutely infested with homphobes. Most of these people are idiots because they would rather conform to what someone at their church says than to have an oppinion of their own.

At 6/23/05 04:52 PM, olbaid1 wrote: It saddens me to say this, but yeah Newgrounds is absolutely infested with homphobes. Most of these people are idiots because they would rather conform to what someone at their church says than to have an oppinion of their own.

Do we post at the same Newgrounds?

At 6/23/05 04:52 PM, olbaid1 wrote: It saddens me to say this, but yeah Newgrounds is absolutely infested with homphobes. Most of these people are idiots because they would rather conform to what someone at their church says than to have an oppinion of their own.

Actually-- it's not bad.
Sure there's a lot "ghey" this, and "gheyz0r" that-- but, that's something fashionable.

I'm gay, and I'm always saying fag, gay.
Although, I always say this with great solice and pride.
And I'm not offended everytime I encounter that word.

But then-- I occasionally find a true stupid ass, through and through, who will offend me when they call me fag (like the infamous 'fagel' comment that happened a few weeks ago.)

Newgrounds is pretty much gay friendly--

At 6/23/05 05:39 PM, spamishfli wrote:

Newgrounds is pretty much gay friendly--

What's there to say? We love our gay men (women too).

hahahahah it's so funny how some people are homophobes but not weapon-o-phobic or anything else more practical. Saying you're scared (or hateful) towards gays is like spitting on a child playing in the park. Either these homophobes are unsure or insecure of their own sexuality, or they feel threatened, or they see themselves reflected in some homosexuals and they can't stand it, or they're just plain ignorant and stupid, and blind to people who Are Not Like Them's needs. I am happily married to my wife and I have had a gay friend most of my life. Being scared or hateful towards him would've just been absurd. Now I know you (dear homophobe) have your opinion and Ih ave mine - but so what? FUcking homophobe FAGS. hahaha.

Actually-- it's not bad.
Sure there's a lot "ghey" this, and "gheyz0r" that-- but, that's something fashionable.

wait a minute fli your okay if someone say gay=stupid like the example below.

"You like this music mate"

"no way, this blarney is gay."

because if that's the case then your the first gay person that i've ever met that's okay with that.

Well, it's not that I hate them, I'd just prefer that they weren't.

you mean am i scared to get raped in the ass? yes.

At 6/23/05 09:54 PM, WhiteMagic wrote: you mean am i scared to get raped in the ass? yes.

no offense man but i don;t think anyone is going to sadomise you.