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Posted at: 6/14/05 01:20 AM

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This is extremely promising, considering that I am currently working on a flash game. I would love to be able to vote this month, but I doubt I will. The game most likely will not be finished by the end of the month.

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This is really cool dude. Cheers!

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ABOUT TIME.

I've been getting tired of seeing everything I do get out voted and out viewed by movies of similar or even lower quality *most* of the time. I haven't even really been motivated by the moniez system because I knew I wouldn't win. Well, now I have a very GOOD chance :D.

And I've been wanting that damn Games page to be updated for two years now.


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At 6/13/05 07:23 PM, TomFulp wrote: I got to go on stage at the Hammerstein Ballroom

I saw that and thought ecw ONS.

If we get to vote on games now I thhink Denny would have gotten a better chance of winning I am going look for good games when I am b/p now. hmm ping pong by terry should do good.

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It would be great if there were enough games on Newgrounds for there to be a Games Portal exclusively for games, not like that's going to happen anytime soon though because the games section is so underdeveloped at the moment that it'll take a while for lots of good games to appear


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Well, this is all well and good but it seems unfair put games on par with the movies in this way. As Tom said, not as many people submit them. Plus, this act may garner even MORE annoying calls to increase their visibility in other areas. Will we eventually split the daily awards too? I hope not, It would just allow a bunch of lesser games to garner attention. Don't believe me?

Think about it. First off, It's not just the monthly awards where games are supposedly underrepresented, it is the daily awards too and according to the rules. A game has to have been on front page or get a daily award to be in consideration. Since the start of this month or 13 days there has been

3 recorded daily firsts,
1 daily second,
1 daily third,
3 daily fourths and
3 daily fifths placed games for a total of 11 out of a possible 65 these past 13 days!

People, that's less then one game per day (or to put it another way, less then 1 out of 5) that is eligible for the same number of cash prizes as animations, which have to compete against 4 times this number.

Due to the wonderful archives at Newgrounds it's possible to figure out the absolute ratio as well. There has been

1,740 recorded daily first,
1,304 second,
1307 third,
868 fourth and
871 fifth place winners. For a grand total of 6090 since records were kept.

Out if that large total, there are only

335 recorded daily first,
274 second,
252 third,
141 fourth and
160 fifth place game winners. For a grand total of 1162.

Games don't even break the 1,200 mark which they would need to achieve a simple ratio of 5 to 1 and why should they? With the wonders of the archives we can find out exactly how many games have been submitted in out entire history.

There has been 59,939 submissions recorded submissions gathered in all of Newgrounds history. Only 11,200 have been games. Incredibly, if you divide by 10 these total numbers are almost exactly the same as the amount for the top five representation of toons and games that we just went through above. Why, it even appears that games have gotten slightly more awards then their numbers might suggest.

If you were going solely on numbers.

Conclusion:
Games have ALWAYS been submitted at a ratio somewhat less then 5 to 1 when compared to toons. On top of that they have also won awards at almost the same rate as they have been submitted. Less then 5 to 1 again. As the number of awards won to games submitted it essentially equal. We can now see that Tom's assertion that "movies generally score on a higher curve than games" is not correct. According to these number (if you want to get into decimal points) games actually do a bit better then the movies when it comes to awards won to the total percentage of submissions.

So having less the one game per 5 in the daily five is, in fact, historically accurate and completely fair. It stands to reason that getting just 1 game (at most) in the monthly top 5 on average is also appropriate.. It's in line with what has been the case throughout the history of NG.

Saying this was intended to be a games site or trying to get it back to it's roots is simply not realistic to the reality. Movies always have and shall ever be the dominate force in NG. No matter what kind of incentives or tinkering is done. The free market has spoken. Don't try to nanny us get different results simply to please a vocal minority or to make what people submit more in line with what you personally believe it should be. It is what it is and we should all accept that. That's capitalism at it's finest people and, more and more, I find that I wouldn't have it any other way.

Solution:
Giving the same number of monthly awards to games is grossly unfair and I recommend that if this must go though with this (I really don't think you should. The system as it sands, seems fair). Games should get 1 or 2 awards, perhaps 3... maximum! Having 5, the same as movies, is just not proper and can only lead to an unfair showcasing of inferior flash.

I hope this post makes you think a little. Peace out.

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Feel free to check them out and tell me what you think.


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Oh shit, this is going to be crazy :)

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I'm helping out on something extremely cool right now. Doubt it will be in the portal for a long tome though :(


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Ah, I better get started on my game ideas then...

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Awsome tom :D

Free cash lol
Also cox. lots of cox


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another cool flash contest with even bigger prizes

www.gamesofgondor.com/contest2.html

it's still great to know we're not the only ones hosting such contests


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At 6/13/05 07:29 PM, Denvish wrote: Godammit. Can I re-submit Overrun II? I really want one of those certificates...

I fell sorry for you Denvish, if overrun 2 had of come out later....


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This is a good idea. This all gives me another good idea. Why not have 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th portal awards just for games, and another 5 just for movies. If you do monthly awards, why not do daily awards seperating movies and games. This would be good, because i've seen, including myself, get beat by a 4.3 scoring "anime" or popular type of movie whipped out by some pro animator. My game didn't stand a chance against that.

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Sweet, great idea I wish they would do this when Magnetism the game was on the front page.Now that game kept me going.


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Awsome Idea Tom


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Nice one. There's definitely been a lack of great games compared to great movies, hopefully this will rectify that.

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don't worry jon, it's being taken care of


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At 6/13/05 07:26 PM, Star_Cleaver wrote: That's a great idea Tom. The games on NG definitely need to be showcased more. Making a funny little cartoon may take effort, but making a high quality game with good graphics takes twice the effort. It will be great to see what kind of games authors strive to create now that there is a nice goal to reach.

Best first post ever. Amen.

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aww hell yeah to souping up newgrounds, it is only going to get better from here


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At 6/14/05 02:06 AM, TomaO2 wrote:

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to get into the daily top 5, a game has to be really good, a movie doesn't, it will get more exposure

the original NG was known for pico, assassin, club a seal, all were games, NG was originaly a place to play games, pico the mascott of NG is from a game, tom fulp the founder of NG is known for making games, the most viewed supmission is a game

it's just that over the years games have had less and less attention.


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finally, somewhere i can get more free games from...

i wish i wasn't cheap

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I'm going to vote for ten flashes for the next votings? That is a lot, but it's good since I find it gives people more of a chance to win. I won't be voting for June submissions since I'll be on holiday, so I can let my friend vote for 5 movies and 5 games. :) Thanks for that update Tom.


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At 6/13/05 08:49 PM, liljim wrote: Try not to dwell on what "could have" been - there's no use in ever wondering, "what if things had have been different", it will only depress you. :)

Pretty sound advice, I must say.

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Wow id better get to frikin work! 250 dollar!!!!!!!!!


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OMG! This is too good to be true!!
Congratulations Tom for playing such an important role in the history of art!

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At 6/14/05 09:39 AM, RC-KNIGHT wrote: At the end of the year, I would be willing to take the top 10 - 15 movies from the year, accordingly to vote number, and create a DVD production of them.

It could be like, "Newgrounds Hit Original Movies: 2005"

I would have to note that only orginal works can be taken.

Just and idea? I am open to sugestions.

RCK

See, some movies made in flash aren't made for DVD's. They'd have to be pure animation. No menus, no buttons, no actionscript. It just wouldn't work.


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great idea. many games on this site don't get the credit that they and their creator's should get


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thank god dude!!!1111 i am so glad some new games are going on those outdated game pages thanx dude!!!


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At 6/14/05 02:06 AM, TomaO2 wrote: a lot of stuff

I don't agree. Look at the top 50 list, maby 2-3 are games? that is not proportionate to the amount of games and movies in the portal.
You left out many key points, my friend.


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About how high of a score would be submission have to have to get considered for the $250??


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