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hey man, i watched pesky eyeball. it was weird, but i liked it.

God this is so sad. Newgrounds has now become a battleground. Just as the U.S. is trying to root out terrorists from the country. The NG staff is trying to root out assholes from Newgrounds website. And in both of these situations, the innocent by standers are getting hurt in the process.

I think there was a saying that people may give up their inalienable rights and freedom in exchange for protection and security. Or something like that. So you can see what is going on here right now.

These assholes that the NG staff is trying to get rid of may have done some damage already I don't know. For all I know, they are trying to destroy Newgrounds in some god damn conspiracy. (Maybe its the BBC who is behind this to get their revenge. Just kiddin).

I love Newgrounds, there's no other website like this anywhere in the world. And I will be damned to see it be ravaged by this war. I hope everybody here realize what will happen to Newgrounds if the problem deteriorates.

People don't seem to get my point exactly, and to many take Clock bashing personally.

The Clocks are not all bad, did I say that? The ones that are medium or not bad all come and get there piece, because ow, I offended them. You can't control the nuts in your group, and it's not your fault they fix votes. But there still part of your organization, and blemish it's name.

And then there are the clocks who somehow justify voting 5 for mediocre clock movies by blamming bad clock movies. NO, this does not equal what you've done out, or make you better voters. Voting 5 for a clock movie that deserved 3 just because it's part of your organization is not right. Voting low on bad clock films does not vindicate.

There is the point to what I said. There's no difference between punk clocks who fifen every film they can say was "Good" even though it should have gotten perhpas a 3 or 4, or 2 instead, and some guy who votes 0 on every thing because he feels like it. Punks are just as bad. BUT they don't have an organized system in which to vote and stack things.

The good clocks who don't abuse things can't counteract the masses of bad ones in the group. Overrating average films to top end, and then blamming a few poor ones does not make anything right.

Groups shoulnd't be allowed really on Newgrounds, because they all encourage politcal voting one way or another. The Blam Club doesn't clear out crap, it seeks to pump up kill scores. The Clock Crew encourages the pushing of mediocre films, and it's own influence over the portal. The people that are there either to enjoy the clock crew, or to actually blam stuff in the portal to stop waste, are always outshadowed by the extremists, who take power, and do shit because it's all they have in life.

Dismantle the Clock Crew, for it has grown to powerful to acheive any good.

At 7/23/02 12:06 AM, King_Duckford wrote: People don't seem to get my point exactly, and to many take Clock bashing personally.

The Clocks are not all bad, did I say that? The ones that are medium or not bad all come and get there piece, because ow, I offended them. You can't control the nuts in your group, and it's not your fault they fix votes. But there still part of your organization, and blemish it's name.

And then there are the clocks who somehow justify voting 5 for mediocre clock movies by blamming bad clock movies. NO, this does not equal what you've done out, or make you better voters. Voting 5 for a clock movie that deserved 3 just because it's part of your organization is not right. Voting low on bad clock films does not vindicate.

There is the point to what I said. There's no difference between punk clocks who fifen every film they can say was "Good" even though it should have gotten perhpas a 3 or 4, or 2 instead, and some guy who votes 0 on every thing because he feels like it. Punks are just as bad. BUT they don't have an organized system in which to vote and stack things.

The good clocks who don't abuse things can't counteract the masses of bad ones in the group. Overrating average films to top end, and then blamming a few poor ones does not make anything right.

Groups shoulnd't be allowed really on Newgrounds, because they all encourage politcal voting one way or another. The Blam Club doesn't clear out crap, it seeks to pump up kill scores. The Clock Crew encourages the pushing of mediocre films, and it's own influence over the portal. The people that are there either to enjoy the clock crew, or to actually blam stuff in the portal to stop waste, are always outshadowed by the extremists, who take power, and do shit because it's all they have in life.

Dismantle the Clock Crew, for it has grown to powerful to acheive any good.

I agree with what you're saying man, but I doubt the groups are going to disband any time soon. People feel they have to be part of a group to get recognition, or just be accepted, so they immediately join up. People are weak, and will seek out any form of comfort they can find; whether it be with the Clocks or the Blam Club, or any organization for that matter.

Say for example, someone like BaconBurgerClock submitted a really shitty flash movie to the portal (sheesh this is more like reality than a scenario). Notice how just because he is a clock, his movies get rediculously high scores in a short amount of time. I don't care if the rest of the CC claims to hate him and his films, someone is still pumping them up, and the CC is the most likely reason. But what if BaconBurgerClock wasn't a clock? Do you think his movies would even survive more than 25 votes? Probobly not. This is what I mean. People tag the clock name at the end of their's, just to try to be accepted, and to keep their crappy movies alive. It's bullshit, and it doesn't help when people like Wade Fulp defend the Clock Crew as well.

At 7/22/02 07:46 PM, silentblob wrote: Well, Ive got some info. I submitted a crappy clock movie that i spent a minute on (like most other clock movies, lol) to see if it would get high ratings because it was a clock movie. Well it didnt so that proves its not clock people in particular but a few bad ones of the bunch. (ps i still think you should ban anyone with the word clock in their name, and if they've produced a clock movie, dont count me cause that was only to see what would happen.

Okay, that was a great experiment to go and try! YAY!
Your crap "clock" movie got a crap score. Great. Dandy.
Now think about that for awhile.

Okay, great. And now after all of your hard scientific work, your end thought was to ban everyone with clock in their name? Is your brain functioning? Your "experiment" proved itself that not all clocks are bad, but its just a "few bad ones in the bunch".

SOME OF YOU PEOPLE SCARE ME.

At 7/23/02 04:45 AM, AvocadoClock wrote:

At 7/22/02 07:46 PM, silentblob wrote: Well, Ive got some info. I submitted a crappy clock movie that i spent a minute on (like most other clock movies, lol) to see if it would get high ratings because it was a clock movie. Well it didnt so that proves its not clock people in particular but a few bad ones of the bunch. (ps i still think you should ban anyone with the word clock in their name, and if they've produced a clock movie, dont count me cause that was only to see what would happen.

Okay, that was a great experiment to go and try! YAY!
Your crap "clock" movie got a crap score. Great. Dandy.
Now think about that for awhile.

Okay, great. And now after all of your hard scientific work, your end thought was to ban everyone with clock in their name? Is your brain functioning? Your "experiment" proved itself that not all clocks are bad, but its just a "few bad ones in the bunch".

SOME OF YOU PEOPLE SCARE ME.

i'm sorry, but... clock movies ARE a little pointless and generally suck... ok, ok ok... they're TOTALLY pointless, and they ALWAYS SUCK. cept for one light sabre one, though. i watch every one i get to, in everytime, rate them accordingly... but if clocks are banned, it wont be a big loss... and anyways, didnt newgrounds need extra space?

Yeah, I believe that it is the clocks, believing that they put effort into their movies just to get all their movies blammed on hypocrisy. But still, I have only seen one good Clock Crew movie and have bene on NG for about a year. So that shows a lot doesn't it?

I vote fair, and if there is a good clock movie (which is extremaly rare), I vote accordingly. I'm just stating that and promising that my opinions don't sway my voting so that you stupid people won't get on my ass! In all I hate clocks, I can't believe that such a stupid group even came into existence. Most of the clocks are retards and couldn't make good flash movie ever, that is why they joined the clock crew. Being a clock is being a conformist to stupidity, being a clock is not being an individual, not taking pride in your own work and just using things from other clock movies ar just putting down crap as your submission. And all the clocks who are actually worth something need to shutup when you trying to protect your precious bunch and realize that most of them are untalented losers! Screw all you groups of Newgrounds that affect the balance, you are bringing down one of the best sites on the internet with no remorse. And Wade, I am dissapointed in you for the fact that another brought up that your opinion is biased.

The Bedn movies might have been funny, but even funny movies are not always good movies. I've seen many movies that were halarious, but they were still overall horrible movies, so don't base the quality of a movie on whether it's funny or not, it just shows how adolescent you are.

Keep Newgrounds fair and good. To any clocks who do care if your work is taken seriously, I strongly suggest that you stop being a clock and show your individuality, And don't tell me that your names that go before the "Clock", like avocado or burrito make you individual, you are a clock exactly like the rest of your crew and you are each the same as your strongest and weakest (which is what the clock crew is mostly made up of) links.

And now for a bit about cheating:
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"mistary man steils cadny1" has 1,697 votes in only 4 days.

BaconBurgerClock has taken daily feature 3 of the last 4 days with shitty flash movies.

Gooseberry_Clock has a score of 2864 with 2964 votes on a picture at EntropicOrder.com. The next 13 highest rated pics are all by clocks, with at least 200 votes each.

The top 2 member sites on EntropicOrder.com are clock sites, with thousands of votes each, the next site having approximately 40 votes.

Both NG and EO don't require memberships to vote, but use IP addresses (I'm assuming) instead. I believe there are clocks who use IP spoofing to waste everyone's time.

Voting honestly becomes pointless. Submittions to portals based on rank become pointless. The portal loses quality submissions and features nothing but cheater's work, which is bound to be worthless.

Should voting be restricted to only email verified members, so that those members who obviously cheat can be more efficiently banned? Should accounts be verified by more than email? I recommend NG does something, because I plan to do something myself.

yes. clocks are mongoloids. and they eat playdough

YOU PEOPLE ARE SOME DAMNED FOOLS..WHO CARES ABOUT RATING? STOP WHINING CAUSE YOUR NOT AT TOP IF PEOPLE LIKE YOUR SUBMISSION THEN THATS THAT...YOU PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY SCREWED IN THE HEAD AND NEED TO BE SHOT IF ALL YOU DO IS WORRY ABOUT RATING AND CLOCK CREW...DO SOMETHING ENTERTAINING INSTEAD OF SITTING ON THE COMPUTER ALL DAY LONG MASTURBATING TO NG.

All hail Ken & EO :).
When I made this account; it automatically had "GooseberryClock" in the refer thing.. I don't think that should be default. Clock crew = hackers?

Entropic, I'm very disapointed that you would use our front page to make such statements. How can you accuse the Clock Crew of cheating without proof? They have 800 registered members on their site, so if they make a news post telling their members to go to your site, or Newgrounds, and vote on stuff, that's a heck of a lot of votes everday. I am going to have to talk to Tom about not allowing non-NG staff to post on the front page, because it is being abused. If someone is faking their IP, there isn't any easy way to stop them. No matter what we do. You can fake a thousand email addresses as well.

Im disappointed since Wade made that post about deleting accounts, Clocks think they have this protected status. Now you'll notice just about every serious post about a Clock starts with, or contains the phrase "this isnt an anti clock message, but...." or something like that. What has happened to newgrounds, people cant even post messages without worrying about having their accounts deleted now. I am a huge fan of newgrounds, i have been since there wasnt even any flash on it, back in the HTML days. But recently, in the past few months, this site has really taken a dive. Its not AS fun anymore, and thats sad. The quality of the flash has gone down, Tom is never around, the place just doesnt seem as lively anymore. Also, dont make it so non-NG staff cannot post on the main page. If you made it like that, there would hardly be any updates since Tom never updates anymore. While I did think that the Josh Bedn movie was mildly funny, it was not #1 material. If there is someone cheating, i would like something done about it, or atleast, something attempted to be done about it. Ive worked very hard to get to Level 11, its taken a long time. Its not fair to the rest of us who follow the rules, if you fake IPs or whatever to raise or lower scores. Its even amazing that those horrible Strawberry Clock movies are still on here, with there .64 ratings or whatever. Anyways, im tired of the clocks, I agree with the guy who started this post, and im disappointed that everything is so serious around here lately. Id be very angry if my account got deleted, considering the time ive put into getting this far, and since Im a huge fan of NG. Oh, and I guess I should add that this isnt a Anti Clock post ;-)

At 7/21/02 02:47 AM, Frank2982 wrote: Clocks (this is if you can prove it... and saying Bacon's score went up really fast with alot of votes) aren't the only ones cheating. The movie Steven Seagal Episode 3, was in first place over all for a little while. Then that Hentai Sim game took over first place again when SSE3 magically went from 4.21 to 4.02. Those hentai loving, nothing better to do, losers should be accused of this too. Because there is no way in HELL "Hentai ~ SimGirl (b1.22)" is better than Steven Seagal: Episode 3. And as I write this, SSE3 is down to 5th place. None of the movies above it are that high of quality entertainment. It has a great fight scene. Great comedic timing. Great impressionations (Seagal, Walken, Buccimi). And yet, crappier flash is above it. So why fight the small battles of Daily Feature, when bigger battles of Top spot of ALL TIME is being cheated out of too. Well, thats my 2 cents. :)

here here Frank! that game is crap!!!

At 7/22/02 07:46 PM, silentblob wrote: Well, Ive got some info. I submitted a crappy clock movie that i spent a minute on (like most other clock movies, lol) to see if it would get high ratings because it was a clock movie. Well it didnt so that proves its not clock people in particular but a few bad ones of the bunch. (ps i still think you should ban anyone with the word clock in their name, and if they've produced a clock movie, dont count me cause that was only to see what would happen.

hmmmm I beg to differ on the dress-up games. most of the ones I've seen have badly drawn clothes. and drag n' drop is the easiest interactive function you can set up in a flash movie, it's so simplified it couldn't be considered programming in any way shape or form. (I'm talking about the stupid "bitmap-nudies" when I say dress-up games. I like the other ones like Tom's one and all the ones by Ed Mcmillen)

At 7/21/02 08:34 PM, mattymetro wrote: Hey, Wade.. whats up with you being all about censorship as of rescent?.. If I want that shit I can turn on a TV.

I completely agree with this guy. Wade, you really do seem to be all about censorship lately. Maybe the clocks donated money to NG, since the web-ad business has gone down, therefore gaining favor with the NG staff. Of course, thats a stupid conspiracy theory, but you never know.... Anyways.

At 7/21/02 04:13 AM, Doomhammr wrote:

under 200 k to give good work more attention? what the fuck? thats exactly how big the shitty movies are. unless your name is tom fulp it is IN-FUCKING-POSSIBLE to make good work that size.

This was prolly already said. But I really don't care. I am going to say it anyway.

It is very possible to make really good flash with a file size of 200k or less. The ones that suck, had no effort beyond that put into it.

But a really good flash movie/game with a low file size, is pretty damn good to me. Props to those who can pull off such a thing.

And about the clock thang.
I have to say, it is rediculous
about all this cheating, and really being unfair.
And to stop non-users from posting for expressing their opinions sounds suspicious to me too.

I can see if someone insulted the hell outta someone, but to voice your opinion in a tasteful manner holds NoGrounds for a restriction. To the person who voiced, or those who haven't yet.

Face it! The Clock Crew are becoming redundant.

At 7/23/02 04:45 AM, AvocadoClock wrote:

At 7/22/02 07:46 PM, silentblob wrote: Well, Ive got some info. I submitted a crappy clock movie that i spent a minute on (like most other clock movies, lol) to see if it would get high ratings because it was a clock movie. Well it didnt so that proves its not clock people in particular but a few bad ones of the bunch. (ps i still think you should ban anyone with the word clock in their name, and if they've produced a clock movie, dont count me cause that was only to see what would happen.

Okay, that was a great experiment to go and try! YAY!
Your crap "clock" movie got a crap score. Great. Dandy.
Now think about that for awhile.

Okay, great. And now after all of your hard scientific work, your end thought was to ban everyone with clock in their name? Is your brain functioning? Your "experiment" proved itself that not all clocks are bad, but its just a "few bad ones in the bunch".

SOME OF YOU PEOPLE SCARE ME.

Then hey. Here's a concept that works. All the good Clocks emerge. And sift out all the bad seeds, So everybody will be ha-ppy.

Sorry, just heard some slim.

But for real, sift out the bad weeds by their rotting roots, and pitch them! Now that you've done that, the Clock Crew could then redeem themselves, and regain some respect that they once had....the originals had, that is.

At 7/21/02 01:20 AM, EntropicOrder wrote:

Newgrounds is going to face some dark times. Especially when Tom returns from college. If you think you people with think that everything is going to be all right and that there will be peace on Newgrounds, think again pal. WIth all the shit happening lately, Tom is going to do something about it. Question is, will be for better or for worse?
I'm afraid that he will go an inquisiton raid on this site and unleash his firery wrath of vengeance on the dissidance. Okay, maybe that was too extreme, but I hope you get the point on this scenario.

Just like 9/11, Newgrounds will never be the same ever again once something is done about it.

And now for something completely positive but in regarding this segment of the topic.

You have to be an approved submitter, and your work must be under 200k. These restrictions will hopefully give good work more attention. Show me some good flash and an EO membership and I'll consider approving you.

I agree most definetly. a 200k movie would best challenge the skills of flash users for 5 good reasons.

1. It obviously won't take long to load up.
2. 200k is a good size to put in alot of meat
3. The file size helps to challenge authors in optimizing flash as was stated earlier in the post.
4. It also helps to force people to come up with good quality work and contents.
5. While it may not elminate alot of crappy flash movies, at least it will help out in detering away from crappy flash movies that exceeds way over 200k, thus eliminating crappy artists from the website. Cause I sure hell don't wanna stand waiting for billions of years for a 4.5M movie to load up and waste my time in vain because all it contain was shit.

Now keep in mind, I'm not saying Newgrounds should start mandating this restriction and requirement, but what I am saying is that if you want a standard way of making good flash to challenge yourself at it, then go ahead and do so. You don't have to do it, but it would help to improve your skill. It be cool if Newgrounds implemented this idea by making a segment in their website where it only contained good flash under certain amount of kilobytes or something, but then I hope that no assholes would start to fuck up this idea and then give a reason for NG not to implement this idea in the start.

Has anyone thought about this?

Destroy all clocks, destroy the clock crew.

Why not? They aren't doing anything of real good for the site. They might submit good or bad movies, but in the end, they cause trouble. Think about it! If the clocks never exsisted, this topic wouldn't even be here! The BLAM Club probably wouldn't exsist either, and there would be a lot of different movies in the top 50. Personally I think the clock crew should have been destroyed starting all the way back with Strawberry. I'm not saying they are good or bad, but I do say they get too much attention and cause too much commotion on NG.

So here is my proposal: Destroy the Clock Crew and implement the Watch-Before-Voting system. The seinor Clocks (that actually show some effort, that actually care) can always come back under a new, independant name. If a "bad" clock comes back and continues to submit bad flash, delete the movie and the account! I think there need to be strict laws against crap flash.

There are over 50,000 movies on the Newgrounds Portal now. How many of those do you think are good? How big would you think that number is if the Clocks ceased to exist?

At 7/23/02 11:33 AM, DragoonFenix15 wrote: Has anyone thought about this?

Destroy all clocks, destroy the clock crew.

Why not? They aren't doing anything of real good for the site. They might submit good or bad movies, but in the end, they cause trouble. Think about it! If the clocks never exsisted, this topic wouldn't even be here! The BLAM Club probably wouldn't exsist either, and there would be a lot of different movies in the top 50. Personally I think the clock crew should have been destroyed starting all the way back with Strawberry. I'm not saying they are good or bad, but I do say they get too much attention and cause too much commotion on NG.

So here is my proposal: Destroy the Clock Crew and implement the Watch-Before-Voting system. The seinor Clocks (that actually show some effort, that actually care) can always come back under a new, independant name. If a "bad" clock comes back and continues to submit bad flash, delete the movie and the account! I think there need to be strict laws against crap flash.

There are over 50,000 movies on the Newgrounds Portal now. How many of those do you think are good? How big would you think that number is if the Clocks ceased to exist?

Given Wade's numbers of there being 800 clocks, multiply that by at least 4 or 5 movies. Devide that by the 3 or 4 that got blamed... and you get roughly between 1,181 to 1,333 gone from that overall 50,000 submission figure. I wouldn't call the change drastic.. but it would get rid of some movies.

As my friend says, most of the clocks now are just conformity clocks. They all want to be apart of that group for some reason or another. While most people have had problems with the clock crew ever since it started..... me..... I personally didn't mind them back when there were only 4 or 5. I almost supported what they did because the users made it into more than it was. But now..... 800 clocks? Who in the hell let in all these other ones? They should be sent to hell JUST for using the name clock.

About Newgrounds changing...... I really hope it does. I remember coming here back in early 2000 and really loving this place. I couldn't get enough. But then sometime after that yellow layout was put in I stopped coming here..... mainly out of boredom.. and the portal started going to hell. This place just isn't as fun as it used to be.

At 7/23/02 07:58 AM, dai_kuru wrote: All hail Ken & EO :).

Gracious. :)

When I made this account; it automatically had "GooseberryClock" in the refer thing.. I don't think that should be default. Clock crew = hackers?

If you visited Goosberry's site, then the NG-fan Net flash set a cookie on your computer saying that Gooseberry refered you. I thought there was a problem before too, but I assure you there's not when it comes to that.

Well I have to admit you really know what you're talking about. I have really had it with these fucking clock people. I mean it goes without logic that they spam the shit out of the NG Portal and people HATE them! Although, I do not agree with Wade Fulp's response to our "bad behavior" towards the clock movies. I think that our opinion is our damn opinion and noone can tell me otherwise. I agree with him that it's prejudice because we all say the clock movies suck, but the thing is THEY DO SUCK! I mean it's one thing if they're great and we say, "Fuck em he's a clock 0!" But these movies are horrible. Well after this nice post I'll probably get banned but hey!

Just like 9/11, Newgrounds will never be the same ever again once something is done about it.

Man 9/11 was bullshit. Bad things similar to it happen all over the world every day, but as soon as one bad thing happens to us, we go nuts. Way to go USA.

A user's aura is representative of their voting disposition. There are five types of auras and none are particularly bad or good, so please don't purposely try to achieve a specific aura.

1. Neutral: A user with a neutral aura commonly casts votes that are close to the average score for that particular movie. They give each movie a fair chance and their opinion doesn't sway too far from the group.

2. Light: A user with a light aura tends to give movies high marks, including movies that everyone else hates. Perhaps this user is too easy on movies and needs to be more critical, or only votes on movies he likes. Whatever the case, this user tends to be more supportive and likes to make people feel good about their work. The problem with this is they may be too supportive of crap, such as "Delta Ebonics" and "History of Fuck".

3. Dark: A user with a dark aura has a tendency to vote low on movies. Keep in mind, they don't have a dark aura because they vote low on bad movies - they have a dark aura because they vote low on movies that most other people find good. Users like this are either very critical or just plain mean and bitter. There is a lot of crap in the Portal that gets high marks, so just because someone has a dark aura doesn't necessarily mean they are an asshole. Heck, they might be helping clean out the crap.

4. Cursed: A user with a cursed aura is marked so because they have blatantly violated Newground’s rules of conduct, and as such, this user has priveledges and voting powers taken away. Unless they can prove themselves otherwise, this cursed aura will remain on their profile until the staff in Newgrounds feels that this user has paid a pennance and will removed this aura.

5. Inverted: A user with an inverted aura are the ones
that tend to vote high on movies or games that most other people deem as bad, while at the sametime, vote low on movies or games that score very high. This aura indicates that users will do this inorder to bring up movies and games they themselves have created or those created by authors they are affiliated with. In this process, they have no regards for movies that they vote low scores on as they their only objective is to get the movies they want in the top rank.

Remember, in order to build an aura, you must be logged in for this information to be tracked!

Interesting, I never knew about cursed or inverted!

At 7/23/02 01:42 PM, SexZBeeRMaN wrote: Interesting, I never knew about cursed or inverted!

Thats because they dont exist. Its a pretty good idea though, if you cheat the system you get labled as a scum bag. I like it, only one problem with it though. The cheats rarely post in the forums so how would we know? I suggest having something stamped to someones reviews when they leave them. The idea to ban someone from voting or reviewing while they are labled is good too. I doubt we'll see it happen though.

At 7/22/02 03:32 PM, Huff_daddy wrote: Ok, I'm Watermellon Clock (spelled wrong, because of an old Watermelon Clock, i know). I have never and don't know of any other clock that cheats. The reason we vote so much on the fan net is that we get rewarded on the clock crew forums for it. We can only do this once a day though. It has a built in limit which encourages us to vote daily.

Second, Just because it is a clock crew movie doesn't mean its gonna get voted 5. I've made a few and they got blammed rather quickly. Not all of us are as retarted sounding as we come off as either.

The whole voting after the watching the movie is something that has needing to be done for a long time.

I don't know baconburger clock but i doubt he cheats. When a clock posts a movie, it is added to our frontpage letting us know of a new clock movie to watch which gives it more exposer. BaconBurger also got member of the week so his picture is all over the message board. Yet another reason for people to go see his movie. That's why he's gettin a lot of votes.

We may vote higher on a movie because it is a clock movie. I'm speaking for myself here but if it's total shit i'll vote low. But this is evened out by the Blam Club and the anti-Clocks, maybe even swayed the other way.

So unless some actual proof turns up that there is cheating going on, this is where i stand. Also after reading this maybe it'll help you understand that it isn't fair to accuse the entire Clock Crew

At 7/22/02 03:32 PM, Huff_daddy wrote: Ok, I'm Watermellon Clock.....

HELLO JACKASS!!!! You just admitted to having more than one account. Why the hell would someone have more than one account? Identity crisis? Multiple personality disorder? Or maybe its because voting just once on some of your shitty flash just isn’t enough.

Lets move on: We may vote higher on a movie because it is a clock movie.

Well shit son, if I cant vote low on a flash simply because its a clock film why the hell should you all be allowed to vote high for the same reason? Oh I get it, the double standard doesn’t apply to the clock crew, ahh...ok.

More? ok : But this is evened out by the Blam Club and the anti-Clocks, maybe even swayed the other way.

You dumb ass, the blam club and the anti-clocks are two entirely different groups. Anti-clocks hate clocks, the blam club hates bad flash. It just so happens that the clock crew craps out more shitty flash on a daily basis than anybody else. I don’t give a shit if you have 80 or 8000 members, if you are all submitting low quality flash you all are the problem.

One more and then I’m done:
So unless some actual proof turns up that there is cheating going on, this is where I stand. Also after reading this maybe it'll help you understand that it isn't fair to accuse the entire Clock Crew.

Oh BRAVO!!! Its the old,"If I dont get caught then what I did wasn’t wrong". Bullshit, you want proof? It’s all over this board. Everybody that follows this website knows that no flash, unless it is something phenomenal, gets upwards of 600-700 votes in one fucking day!!! Or perhaps that josh bedn bullshit just happened to catch everybody’s eye that day and compelled all that viewed it to vote 5. Yeah that must be it.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, the plain harsh fact of the matter is that you clocks and your clock poser crowd have ruined the portal and newgrounds for everybody. You could have been content with crapping all over your own site but no, you had to go and fuck it up for everybody else. Yay, woohoo. I hope the cyber pat on the back you get from the clock god was worth it. Maybe a congratulatory email you can print out and frame or perhaps an invitation to big clock crew circle jerk of 2003.

I find it absolutely hilarious that when a topic like this comes up the only clocks that respond are sorry little posers. Where is "captain daily feature"? Where’s bacon burger clock to defend himself? He isn’t posting because he knows he was fucking wrong.

This whole situation is pathetic. You've got a handful of animators with some gret talent under the lable of "clock" and hundreds of losers destroying all thier hard work by submitting crap and then reviewing high on it. Is this funny to you children? Is this the online version of the "throw the bottle down so mom has to pick it up" game? Do you honestly find that writing a review for something as pathetic as a 7k flash of a vodka bottle spinning around praising the author or writing your reviews in gibberish entertaining? Oh...so very clever children, very clever indeed.

Screw this, I’m done.

At 7/23/02 01:42 PM, SexZBeeRMaN wrote: Interesting, I never knew about cursed or inverted!

Thanks, but that's only an idea. Good thing I have Photoshop.

Originally I was going to use "Asshole" as an example NG user name but I discovered that there really IS an account called Asshole, so I changed it so I wouldn't get into trouble and stuff.

At 7/23/02 01:49 PM, Comorat wrote:

At 7/23/02 01:42 PM, SexZBeeRMaN wrote:

I suggest having something stamped to someones reviews when they leave them. The idea to ban someone from voting or reviewing while they are labled is good too. I doubt we'll see it happen though.

I agree too when I mentioned that the scumbag mark ought to follow them everywhere they go on this site so it can tell new artists what kind of assholes they are and that hopefully give the artist a second thought about leaving Newgrounds. I also suggested a Karma rating, kind of like what they have on Ambrosia's website. (I posted a sample earlier but it's in the Play Nice! Post)

At 7/22/02 03:32 PM, Huff_daddy wrote: Ok, I'm Watermellon Clock.....

HELLO JACKASS!!!! You just admitted to having more than one account. Why the hell would someone have more than one account? Identity crisis? Multiple personality disorder? Or maybe its because voting just once on some of your shitty flash just isn’t enough.

HELLO ASSHOLE!!!! No i didn't admit to having more than one account! I said I'm WatermellonClock. I never said i had an active WatermellonClock account. I use this account right here to submit all movies. The watermellonClock account has no voting power. So why the hell does it matter. IT DOESN'T.

Lets move on: We may vote higher on a movie because it is a clock movie.

Well shit son, if I cant vote low on a flash simply because its a clock film why the hell should you all be allowed to vote high for the same reason? Oh I get it, the double standard doesn’t apply to the clock crew, ahh...ok.

I said I MAY vote higher. MAY, I also said if its shit, i'm still gonna vote low on it! But lets just point out the parts you wanna hear ok. It'd go a little something like this. Vote 5 for clocks. Create multiple accounts for each of my personalities. Each at level 29 so i can get any clock movie #1 is that it? Sorry, but its not gonna happen. I also don't just vote on clock movies. I look at random entries and judge them fairly unlike most of you are doing to the clocks. Is that enough for ya "son?"

More? ok : But this is evened out by the Blam Club and the anti-Clocks, maybe even swayed the other way.

You dumb ass, the blam club and the anti-clocks are two entirely different groups. Anti-clocks hate clocks, the blam club hates bad flash. It just so happens that the clock crew craps out more shitty flash on a daily basis than anybody else. I don’t give a shit if you have 80 or 8000 members, if you are all submitting low quality flash you all are the problem.

You got a reading problem? I never said that the blam club and the anti clocks were the same groups. But regardless if they are voting low on clock movies and the clocks are voting higher its either gonna even out or get blammed because we don't have that much power! So in your cute little comment you never addressed my real point of the voting power. You just assumed that i might be as backwards as you and didn't know the difference between a blam club and the anti-clocks.

One more and then I’m done:
So unless some actual proof turns up that there is cheating going on, this is where I stand. Also after reading this maybe it'll help you understand that it isn't fair to accuse the entire Clock Crew.

Oh BRAVO!!! Its the old,"If I dont get caught then what I did wasn’t wrong". Bullshit, you want proof? It’s all over this board. Everybody that follows this website knows that no flash, unless it is something phenomenal, gets upwards of 600-700 votes in one fucking day!!! Or perhaps that josh bedn bullshit just happened to catch everybody’s eye that day and compelled all that viewed it to vote 5. Yeah that must be it.

I don't have to be worried about getting caught. I haven't done anything. But you can piss and moan all you want. 600-700 votes in a day. Newgrounds has 193,951 users. 800 of them are clock crew members. If only half of the clock crew votes on a movie in a day, that means we only have to get 200 more votes out of 193,551 people. Doesn't seem to hard to me. Clock movies draw attention. Anti clocks vote on it, those are still votes. Not a big obsticle.

I don't understand why when someone like myself tries to just post a message explaining things as I know it, some childish user thinks its his business to reply and act like a total asshole. I don't know if it gives them some sort of "cyber pat on the back" or maybe its the only time in their life they can act like a badass. Whatever it is, just fucken grow up. Act like a decent human being. Don't start stuff and we won't have to have posts like this.