Racism in America.

[Mos]

While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Why do the Democrats support Affirmitive Action? It's awful. Companies end up hiring minorites, simply because they need more. You will end up seeing, "HELP WANTED. Colors only."

[Ahimsa138]

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote: While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Why do the Democrats support Affirmitive Action? It's awful. Companies end up hiring minorites, simply because they need more. You will end up seeing, "HELP WANTED. Colors only."

"In 1998, 110 Indians out of 1,000 were victims of violence. The rate for blacks was 43 per 1,000; for whites it was 38 per 1,000, and for Asians, 22 per 1,000."

How many people knew that? That information came from a Justice Dept. study of violent crime among different races. If you're going to talk about racism, don't bitch about affirmative action. I had no idea that Native Americans were the focus of so much discrimination and that may be the worst part of it. What else do we not know?

[Mos]

At 4/14/01 12:17 AM, mcbill wrote:

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote: While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Why do the Democrats support Affirmitive Action? It's awful. Companies end up hiring minorites, simply because they need more. You will end up seeing, "HELP WANTED. Colors only."

"In 1998, 110 Indians out of 1,000 were victims of violence. The rate for blacks was 43 per 1,000; for whites it was 38 per 1,000, and for Asians, 22 per 1,000."

How many people knew that? That information came from a Justice Dept. study of violent crime among different races. If you're going to talk about racism, don't bitch about affirmative action. I had no idea that Native Americans were the focus of so much discrimination and that may be the worst part of it. What else do we not know?

Oh, the Native American reservations have major racial tensions against certain other tribes. There are two certain tribes, which I can't remember the names of, who absolutely hate each other. While I haven't heard of any violence among them, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a lot of hate crimes in them.

Also, consider that those reservations often have casinos. Naturally, with gambling, you'll have crime, as addicts attempt to satisfy their need for money by beating up old ladies on the street.

[Perdix]

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote: While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Why do the Democrats support Affirmitive Action? It's awful. Companies end up hiring minorites, simply because they need more. You will end up seeing, "HELP WANTED. Colors only."

I had no idea so many people from AFRICA became citizens of the United States of AMERICA (because they are the only ones who are "african-american") Ohhhh, I get it, you mean BLACK people, well, why didn't you say so to begin with? (by the way, "native-americans" are no more native than I am, their ancestors just came here sooner than mine, and if that makes a difference, then the blacks have been here a lot longer than I have, maybe I should start calling myself a English-German-French-Native-American, oh wait that would be STUPID, because the only part that really matters is where I live NOW. Besides, if you really want to be specific, most "african"-americans don't have nearly as much "african" blood as many people seem to think.

[Slizor]

Here is an e-mail I got:(It took me fucking ages to find!)
>> >> If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely
>> >> 100
>> >> people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it
>> >> would look something like the following:
>> >>
>> >> There would be:
>> >>
>> >> 57 Asians
>> >> 21 Europeans
>> >> 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south
>> >> 8 Africans
>> >>
>> >> 52 would be female
>> >> 48 would be male
>> >>
>> >> 70 would be non-white
>> >> 30 would be white
>> >>
>> >> 70 would be non-Christian
>> >> 30 would be Christian
>> >>
>> >> 89 would be heterosexual
>> >> 11 would be homosexual
>> >>
>> >> 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth
>> >> and all 6 would be from the United States.
>> >>
>> >> 80 would live in substandard housing
>> >> 70 would be unable to read
>> >> 50 would suffer from malnutrition
>> >> 1 would be near death; 1 would be near birth
>> >> 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education
>> >> 1 would own a computer

Now of those six americans how many do you thik are black?

[shorbe]

It really does amaze me that every time there is something that blacks don't like in America, a large number of them riot. They're no better than savages.

There's a good article on this, and solving the problem by giving black people black cops, at this link:

http://www.fredoneverything.net

Anyhow, back to the chase.

Many blacks seem to want to blame everything on someone else, and never take responsibility for their lives. They're not the only ones who have suffered in life. They're not the only race to have been persecuted. There have been plenty of other races that have endured all sorts of crap through history, and still made something of themselves. The Jews and Chinese are two perfect examples.

mcbill: There's a difference between violence and discrimination. To begin with, most abuse, be it physical, emotional, or sexual, is perpetrated by people known to the victim. most likely a family member. In any community, the violence is most likely to come from another member of that community. Most black homocides are by blacks. Most violence against New Zealander Maoris is by other Maoris. Most violence against Australian Aboriginals is by Australian Aboriginals. I would hazard a guess that the same is true of American Indians.

Even if violence against American Indians does come from whites, that is not to say it is discrimination. It may come in the prison or mental health systems as defence against attacks by American Indians themselves, which leads to my next point.

Furthermore, there is probably something of a distortion of figures here. I'm not sure what percentage each race represents in America, but let's just say that there are one hundred whites to every American Indian. So, if ten whites suffer violence and only one American Indian does, when measured on a per capita basis, it's going to look like there are ten times as many violent acts against American Indians; even though there are far more whites in the population.

It's really important to make this distinction with statistics, and to put your statistics in context. To merely say "so and so many people of group x suffer from violence" is fairly meaningless when de-contextualised.

I think Perdix hit the nail on the head with his statements. I do find it quite ironic that not only have very few blacks in America ever been to Africa, but they would be lucky to name three African countries or anything about them. Futhermore, it's quite ironic that most blacks wouldn't consider a Moroccan, Lybian or Egyptian to be African, simply because they're not black. White South Africans most certainly wouldn't be considered African. That's strange considering many have been there as long as blacks have been in America. I met a guy in NYC who was a recent arrival from Morocco, and he was whining about how black people refused to accept that he was African.

The whole point about being native is ridiculous also. Who is native originally? If we want to take anything back far enough, almost everyone came from somewhere else. I'm Australian, and have been for well over a century on one side of my family. My ancestors came from England and Germany. So what, is my English side really Roman-Anglo-Saxon-Jute-Frisian-Celtic-Norman-Danish, and my German side God knows what? How far back to we take this? Just as Perdix mentioned, we could get ridiculous. My gf has Russian, German, Italian, English and Irish in her. What the hell is she then?

The point is, as Perdix mentioned, that we are who we are now. I'm sick of idiots saying everyone who's not an Aboriginal is an immigrant. Where did I immigrate from then, and to where should I return? I could probably go to England, because one of my mother's father is English. However, my father couldn't go anywhere. Both his German side, and his English side, have been here far too long. Furthermore, with Europe, the borders of most countries have shifted so many times, who could say what they really were anymore? That's why there's so much shit in Europe. There are too many people clinging to things that happened hundreds of years ago, that have no relation to the present generation. Let it go. The whole point of coming to the new world was to put all that behind.

This whole debate is centred around blacks and whites, and occasionally involves Indians and Hispanics. What about Asians though? Many are recent arrivals, and came long after all this happened. To say someone only has value if they can trace their line back in a country x number of generations is ridiculous.

Personally, I don't care if someone is fresh off the boat. If they want to contribute to a country, and be proud to be part of it, then that country belongs more to them than some loser who has a great family tradition of welfare and whining.

Until everyone stops dividing themselves, and works together, a country will never be strong. The blame there, certainly doesn't rest on the whites.

That's why I'm sick of the race debate in general. What generations of whites before mine did may have been fucked up, but that's not my fault. I shouldn't be forced to wear it. Likewise, for the present generation of blacks, they need to shut the fuck up about slavery and segregation. Have they ever been slaves? Have they ever been segregated? No. That's precisely why they will always be second class citizens though. So long as they look backwards, they will never be able to walk forwards without falling over. Life is passing them by because they're looking away from it.

shorbe

[Shrapnel]

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote:

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

I am also against hiring quotas based on racial background.
The whole issue of race is absurd and should not come into play when hiring people into the workforce.

However, I can understand why such policies are in place. They want to foster or encourage minorities to "break" into higher positions. Although this was a much bigger issue 20 years ago when much of the faculty at a University or managerial staff at a company was predomiantly white and this policy was meant to knock down subversive forms of racism (which you cannot deny was present), taking the "minority encouragement" policy like this for this long in this manner will generate a backlash among the visible white population. Not only that, in many cases, the more qualified employee will be ignored in favour of filling a quota. Politicians are too afraid to let up on policies like this because they would be branded racist without justification. Minorities will not complain because they do not want to lose benefits they have.

As for the oppression issue, it's a lot more complicated than it seems. There are many stereotypes that are reinforced over time- depending on what race you are, when you grow up, you are in many cases treated a certain way based entirely on your apperance. I am only scratching the subject- I do not care to go into detail right now- but I just want to point out that there is more to the story that many would probably not appreciate if they were not discriminated against based solely on their racial appearance.

I personally do not like the fact that it seems like everyone is picking on the "white" guy lately. Some justify it because they say that the "white" man has committed so many acts of injustice to other races over the course of history and it's there turn- a statement like that makes me sick. It seems no group is willing to commit the time and effort for mutual understanding- these policies which are meant to encourage multiculturallism are discriminatory themselves- instead of eliminating the race factor they just exaggerate it. There is no quick fix or ultimate policy that will errode barriers that have been built by society.

[Slizor]

Its actually abit of a paradox, if you want people to spread out(instead of being in their own little racial community) you have to convince them that the place they're moving to isn't racist, to convince them of that they need to see that its not segragated(or split up in to their own racial community)

[Shrapnel]

At 4/19/01 04:36 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Its actually abit of a paradox, if you want people to spread out(instead of being in their own little racial community) you have to convince them that the place they're moving to isn't racist, to convince them of that they need to see that its not segragated(or split up in to their own racial community)

That's a good point.
It's the "breaking in" to a different racial community that is the hard part. For example, you cannot expect one black person to enter a working community of white people to feel comfortable in that situation- the black person may also get a backlash from his old community that he is trying to be white etc....

When I was on a flight transfer through the Dallas/Fort Worth airport my family was stared at by every single white person there. I had difficulty getting service from food vendors and often times I illicited shock from staff when I spoke English fluently. This is an airport- maybe not the most educated staff in the world but definately a place that you would think be exposed to a wide variety of cultures. It is a shame this amount of exposure did not equal the level of understanding I experienced.

[Ahimsa138]

At 4/19/01 12:16 AM, shorbe wrote: It really does amaze me that every time there is something that blacks don't like in America, a large number of them riot. They're no better than savages.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean, they're no better than savages? Fuck you!

[Ptarmigan]

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote: While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Why do the Democrats support Affirmitive Action? It's awful. Companies end up hiring minorites, simply because they need more. You will end up seeing, "HELP WANTED. Colors only."

Face it, everyone holds racists/prejudice beliefs, regardless of what race you are. Some are not open and some show it blantly. I am strongly against Affirmative Action, even though I am Korean-American. Affirmative Action will not solve the problem, but only give the preferred an incentive not to work hard and succeed. AA is a form of "feel good" policy. As for oppression, every race has faced oppression in history, Asian, Black, White, and Hispanic. Just to trickle down, we are all the same.

[shorbe]

At 4/19/01 04:45 PM, mcbill wrote:

At 4/19/01 12:16 AM, shorbe wrote: It really does amaze me that every time there is something that blacks don't like in America, a large number of them riot. They're no better than savages.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean, they're no better than savages? Fuck you!

Savages. Anyone who loots and burns is a savage. That sort of thing went out with Attila the Hun. Not even animals do that sort of thing. If they want to be considered more than animals, they should behave like more than animals.

ray: Are you Korean or American? You can't be both unless you hold dual citizenship.

shorbe

[Ptarmigan]

At 4/20/01 09:22 PM, shorbe wrote:

At 4/19/01 04:45 PM, mcbill wrote:

At 4/19/01 12:16 AM, shorbe wrote: It really does amaze me that every time there is something that blacks don't like in America, a large number of them riot. They're no better than savages.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean, they're no better than savages? Fuck you!

Savages. Anyone who loots and burns is a savage. That sort of thing went out with Attila the Hun. Not even animals do that sort of thing. If they want to be considered more than animals, they should behave like more than animals.

ray: Are you Korean or American? You can't be both unless you hold dual citizenship.

shorbe

I am an American, whose origin is from Korean. I don't hold a dula citizenship. My bad, Shorbe. What the hell was I thinking? Must of been in a rush, when typing and did not think.

[Slizor]

Face it, everyone holds racists/prejudice beliefs, regardless of what race you are. Some are not open and some show it blantly. I am strongly against Affirmative Action, even though I am Korean-American. Affirmative Action will not solve the problem, but only give the preferred an incentive not to work hard and succeed. AA is a form of "feel good" policy. As for oppression, every race has faced oppression in history, Asian, Black, White, and Hispanic. Just to trickle down, we are all the same.

Now that kind of attitude is what segregates communities and is probably the cause of most racial tension

[Radam]

At 4/22/01 09:15 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

Face it, everyone holds racists/prejudice beliefs, regardless of what race you are. Some are not open and some show it blantly. I am strongly against Affirmative Action, even though I am Korean-American. Affirmative Action will not solve the problem, but only give the preferred an incentive not to work hard and succeed. AA is a form of "feel good" policy. As for oppression, every race has faced oppression in history, Asian, Black, White, and Hispanic. Just to trickle down, we are all the same.

Now that kind of attitude is what segregates communities and is probably the cause of most racial tension

Care to explain how?

[Slizor]

Care to explain how?

Not really, but I will. How many people do you think would move to an area which is full of racist different race people? none, exactly so where would they move? To areas with a high percent of same race people. Now the exact same thing happens if someone percieves racist attitudes even when they are not there. There ya go

[P-Chan]

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote: While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Mos, I would be more than willing to enslave you and your family... so that future generations of your coloured people can have college scholarships. ^_^

[Slizor]

Oh please do!!
P-Chan Coloured is an old phrase, let the phrase die man!

[P-Chan]

At 5/7/01 07:52 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Oh please do!!
P-Chan Coloured is an old phrase, let the phrase die man!

I was just being sarcastic... ^_^

I saw it used earlier on in the thread, and I thought it would be fun to use it on groups that are traditionally considered to be non-colours.

[Pantomime-Horse]

A simple Single old phrase somes it up I think "the worlds most powerful person is a black jewish manic depressive physically disabled lesbian".

[Slizor]

LET THE TOPIC DIE!
lets just all step away from it, then Mos can start another crazy american thread

[reddeadrevolver]

Well... No matter what you do, people will always favor one side of the battle. People will always favor another group over another. I don't believe that anybody should be held responsible for something they havent done, i.e. being slave handlers or persercuters. I refuse to be labeled or stereotyped because of the actions of my ancestors. People need to let the topic go... Get over it and stop worrying about the past... Only the future can come.

[motherRussia]

At 4/14/01 12:17 AM, mcbill wrote:

At 4/13/01 11:52 PM, Mos wrote: While racism against African-Americans is constantly given attention, one begins to become angry.

But this is not about racism against African-Americans. This is about racism against the majority.

Why do minorities recieve scholarships for college, just because they are a minority? Where is my scholarship? If only the majority recieved a scholarship, wouldn't you think that was racist? So why do the minorities recieve them? Because their ANCESTORS were oppressed? Wow, I wish my ancestors were oppressed. I missed out, big time.

Why do the Democrats support Affirmitive Action? It's awful. Companies end up hiring minorites, simply because they need more. You will end up seeing, "HELP WANTED. Colors only."

"In 1998, 110 Indians out of 1,000 were victims of violence. The rate for blacks was 43 per 1,000; for whites it was 38 per 1,000, and for Asians, 22 per 1,000."

How many people knew that? That information came from a Justice Dept. study of violent crime among different races. If you're going to talk about racism, don't bitch about affirmative action. I had no idea that Native Americans were the focus of so much discrimination and that may be the worst part of it. What else do we not know?
I think this is becoming reverse descrimination against the majority. I don't have a raciest bone in my body. But it's becoming true, the schlorships are going out to minorities. I know because I saw first hand experience. I'm in a class at school and the summer programs and camps are only being offered to minoritiy students. They should make them avalible to every one who matches the criteria not because the color of your skin. In my opinion we are taking a step back in history but in the opposite way.

[Mos]

At 5/8/01 12:17 PM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: LET THE TOPIC DIE!
lets just all step away from it, then Mos can start another crazy american thread

Go collapse on yourself, Commie.