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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-02-27 12:54:42

It must have been said somewhere else, but I was too lazy to search over these 50-something pages.
The turd of the week award should be removed.
I mean, there are people that are doing very bad flash on purpose, just to get this award. That shouldn't be something you should be proud of.
I don't ask about increasing the limit for which a flash is saved, just to avoid giving an award, even if it is a "turd" award, to somebody that didn't try to make something good.
And maybe it would avoid these thousands of submissions of crews like KK that just massively vote 5 on their flash to get them past the mark, and then massively vote 0 to give it the award...
Or all those guys doing no effort in their flash, and just ask to get the turd of the week...

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-02-27 13:34:35

At 2/27/07 12:54 PM, Pieriku wrote:

We know

Been mentioned before, several several times. Actually not a bad idea really.


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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-02 13:34:19

I know this idea will get cast away by liljim, and his hate for any forums that aren't coded by Ross (i think he made the BBS). But i think the NG forums are getting really dated. I know NG will never have forums or a user base like SA, but using vBulletin really does allow for a better forum experience. For instance, 1 picture per post, that HAS to be below the body of text is just silly.

Im not necisarily asking you to make the switch, just suggesting that the forums code get some attension during the site update.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-02 14:10:58

At 3/2/07 01:34 PM, Tommy wrote: hate for any forums that aren't coded by Ross

What gave you the impression I hate other forums?

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-02 19:56:52

At 3/2/07 02:10 PM, liljim wrote: What gave you the impression I hate other forums?

I remeber you once posting saying how you didn't like other forum software packages. This was a long time ago I could be wrong.

Will there be any real changes to the forums in the re-design, besides the sigs? That you can tell us about?

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-02 20:01:26

Add an advanced search.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-03 18:17:23

I would like to discuss this username locking. Now I complained and was quickly shunned (as so I should be.) So instead of letting me turn red I will like to know if I am not the only person who thinks this is a bad idea. I would also like to discuss other alternatives that would benefit both sides of the fence instead of throwing it away.

Here is my suggestion.

Why not give people the option to lock their own username. Now obviously there is going to be plenty of warning and 'are you sure'

I do not believe that the rest of us have to get shot just because a few people play with guns.

Metaphorical speaking.

The best option would create an alt and choose a name I would feel comfortable with but I’ve just passed the 1000 point mark, its unwise and I simply find it to be a stupid idea.

Or in the more greedy sense just give me the option to change my username but I know that is ridiculously selfish and stupid. And this idea kind of hinders around the first idea.

I mean I know it must be frustrating to keep getting PM's about stolen usernames but if that is the case I would happily accept all the username complaint PM's just to get this privilege back. I like changing my username. Sometimes I change it so often I cant remember it and have to look at one of my posts on the BBS.

Now I know this is a complaint and that type of thing is not welcome here but hear me out before releasing the guillotine.

Another question is, is this more or less worth arguing over or am I wasting my time over something that is dead and buried?

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-03 18:57:53

I just discovered that it was impossible to flag an abusive reply by the author of a flash to one of his reviews. There are so many replies that just say "fuck you" or something like that just because someone made a constructive review but gave a low rate to their movie...

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-04 07:43:48

At 2/2/07 09:33 AM, Benovere wrote: 3. How about a spam forum in which banned people can spam without making crappy threads in the General forums, lasting only two pages before being erased.

No, nononono. Why would anyone what to see a spam topic. Maybe a sandbox, so new users can try out the BBS and get aquanted the the controls, but not a spam forum.

That would be a waste of SQL space.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-04 10:05:35

At 3/2/07 07:56 PM, Tommy wrote: I remeber you once posting saying how you didn't like other forum software packages. This was a long time ago I could be wrong.

I don't think I've ever written that... What I might have said is that other forum packages are not suitable for Newgrounds... and they're not. Not only would we have to change all of the sql tables and queries to match the username/password/other naming conventions. Not only that, the forums that have been written for the site are highly optimised for the site.

As for allowing more images - other forum packages tend to hotlink images, rather than upload them to the site's directory so that they're there for as long as the site owner can keep up with the bandwidth charges and provide enough storage to keep the images.

There are a number of downsides with respect to hotlinking, that's why it's in the list of rejected ideas. Not to flog a dead horse, but I'll go through some of the immediate downsides now:

1. The remote site's host goes down.. broken images.
2. The remote site runs out of bandwidth.. broken images.
3. The remote site originally allows hotlinking of images (or rather doesn't allow, but doesn't know how to prevent users from hotlinking). They suddenly find out how to prevent that stuff and you end up with a "This images is hosted on ... " image, which is no good to anyone but the site hosting the image... given that they're just getting a free ad at this stage.
4. The remote site swaps out the image for a script that outputs an image, but also collects a great deal of private data on you, such as your IP address.

etc.

Will there be any real changes to the forums in the re-design, besides the sigs? That you can tell us about?

There will be some changes, most of which cosmetic and some functional changes... Nothing much that I can tell you about, though. Other than this, which I mentioned some time ago now.

At 3/3/07 06:17 PM, I-have-2-arms wrote: Another question is, is this more or less worth arguing over or am I wasting my time over something that is dead and buried?

The latter.

At 3/4/07 04:45 AM, MortalWound wrote: This has probably been posted several times but I'm not going through 51 pages just to see if has been.

They have. And this is why, at the very least, you should have read the first post to the thread, which outline a list of do's and don'ts... If you'd have done that, you'd have realised that the following two "ideas" are in the rejected list.

Several ideas:
Edit button for posts
poll option (yes i know this is on the front page i just like polls.)
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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-04 10:44:32

At 3/3/07 06:57 PM, Pieriku wrote: I just discovered that it was impossible to flag an abusive reply by the author of a flash to one of his reviews. There are so many replies that just say "fuck you" or something like that just because someone made a constructive review but gave a low rate to their movie...

Well, I just had a look on the front page and discovered that it will be done in the new version. Good thing :-)

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-05 09:14:36

Newground's podcast..I could do it it if i got permission...


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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-05 11:09:47

You should really consider writing the Alpha and Devspot FAQ's...

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-05 18:13:49

Because of the username lockdown, I propose to have a feature of being able to link to user profiles (user pages?) Wikipedia style on the forums for the redesign.

For example, one could write [[absent]] (or use whatever markup) and have it link to my userpage, becoming absent. I don't know if something like this is possible to implement, or how hard it would be, but it would certainly be a nice feature to have.

It would make linking to accounts much easier and quicker, and allow users who are making stat lists to really get the most characters out of their posts.

Also, for the current profile links, I'm hoping that they're going to be/are already linked with our usernames, because it would really suck that when the userpages come out, all the old profile links go dead.

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Second idea, which would be to add those helpful little browsing arrows to pages when using the search bar. It would eliminate a click when going from page to page. Picture of such:

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-05 18:52:22

At 3/5/07 06:13 PM, absent wrote: For example, one could write [[absent]] (or use whatever markup) and have it link to my userpage, becoming absent. I don't know if something like this is possible to implement, or how hard it would be, but it would certainly be a nice feature to have.

It'd be a piece of cake, though I prefer to accept proper markup and convert it to proper markup, than adding fudges that making programmatical issues (and user input) less problematic (which is why many sites do that, btw).

It would make linking to accounts much easier and quicker, and allow users who are making stat lists to really get the most characters out of their posts.

The characters are calculated after the conversions have already taken place - so [[absent]] would become http://absent.newgrounds.com/ and be counted as such on the character check (at least, as the text is checked prior to it being inserted into the database).

Also, for the current profile links, I'm hoping that they're going to be/are already linked with our usernames, because it would really suck that when the userpages come out, all the old profile links go dead.

Where are you talking about, with respect to placement of the old links?

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Second idea, which would be to add those helpful little browsing arrows to pages when using the search bar. It would eliminate a click when going from page to page. Picture of such:

The design team already covered that. :)

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-06 16:03:19

I read the first page and the last page of this thread, but I didn't read all 50 in between, so forgive me if this or something similiar has already been suggested.

Everyday it would have some interesting statistic posted somewhere on the front page that would help give recognition to a different flash author each day. Example: First submission to NG gained front page, user123. Then you could click on their name and view what their movies.
The point would be to give recognition to those who may not have it already, I wouldn't want to see like "Has held top 1 movie of all time for 16 weeks in a row, flashgod123"
I'm sure a site this big has plenty of odd/interesting statistics kept so updating frequently wouldn't be a problem.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-09 14:30:21

I suggest a top 50 list for whistlers. It would encourage people with deity whistles to keep flagging, resulting in the deletion of more bad flashes.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-09 16:17:37

Apologies for any repetition. These are just things I'm hoping are already ready to be rolled out come April 20th, or whenever the new website will be rolled out.

- let us gain experience points from voting for audio releases.

I'll leave the details up to you. But the way I envisage this working is that our votes for audio entries are tallied along with flash entries. So after 5 votes for ANYTHING, folk would be able to deposit 10 points.

Just now, stuff in the audio portal doesn't get enough votes. This may help with that, giving folk a 'reason' to listen to and vote to the audio releases.

- give votes different weights for audio releases

This may be a problem if implemented in the current AP. (low # votes meaning any user has an overly high power over the vote at the best of times).

Maybe you could discount the % increase by blam points in the audio portal, maybe half the maximum voting power for the top user (to reflect the fewer number of votes audio entries get)? It could work...

- when we vote on audio entries, tell us that we only get one vote, ever

It's a good system to hinder mass-voting, but at the moment, some folk may not realise the gravity their vote has. Maybe an intermediate screen, just noting that we only get one vote would help establish this fact and also help remind folk to consider that score carefully.

Took me a wee while to realise the 'one vote' system under the current design.

- in our account menu, let us view 'audio portal review (137) ..... with responses (23)'

Basically, I see no reason to not have easy access to these things via that screen, just like flash portal review stuff.

- allow audio auhors to mark whether a tune loops or not

Just to make it easier to search for loops - so then we could have a little checkbox which said something like 'show loops', another saying 'show non-loops' and when searching, we'd be shown only those we asked for. Great for authors looking for short game loops or whatever!

- forum search within a single forum

I think you weren't having advanced searches for a while because of the load on the servers. Well, what about if we were allowed to search for just within one single forum? Could be useful for folk looking for specific info or threads. Seems like it'd need less computing...

- in the flash portal, show most helpful reviews first

It makes sense - rather than just showing the most recent review (which could be a load of tosh), show the review wih the highest % of 'yes' votes.

Also, you should have the line: 'was this review helpful? yes/no/abusive' just under the review and above the 'read all reviews' link. This would encourage more folk to click one of those buttons. I know I'd be more likely to vote if it were one click and one page-load easier to do so.

Then, you'd have enough votes to make the system of showing most helpful reviews first, itself, helpful.

- show aggregate of all review scores

I just think that if we're deciding on whether to play a game or not, or maybe just interested to know the general opinion of it, it'd be helpful to have the aggregate of the various scores for graphics, style, sound, violence, interactivity and humour shown.

This is less desired than the other requests. More just an 'it'd be nice'. But then most of the site is just an 'it's nice'. It is after all mainly just entertainment...

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-10 02:32:14

I think it'd be useful to have a little button on a post that, if you click on it, flags that post and alerts mods to look at it, much like the "Abusive" button on the Flash reviews.


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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-12 03:16:20

Where the dicussion came from

This is a refrence to new people comming to NG and seeing deliberate low quality flash from various groups.

I agree, it is better for NG's reputation to be an 'open' place for everyone, but there has to be some set standard to what can be seen. I am in no way saying we should restrict access to the portal... But the first thing people see is the FRONT PAGE (that's good of course) And odds are the second thing is the portal. Maybe Admin should swap the layout so the to 50 Submissions are on the left and the latest 50 submissions are on the right?

People are incredibly ignorant and don't read what they are clicking...

Crazy idea I know. But it is better that NG makes the best of the oppertunites that are possible.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-20 15:00:50

Hey newgrounds members.
I was watching the gamespot show with Tom fulp & Dan paladin on it & I was just wondering why dont Newgrounds have talk show like gamespot, like they could have special flash newgrounds celebritys such as TN & Super Flash Bros, that would be pretty awesome too watch.
so what do you think?


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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-20 17:37:20

Not reading through all this thread, but BY GOD I hope someone has put forward viewing all content with one click, with the written reviews, scores etc all being shown on one page, with no further page navigation required, just like on YouTube.

It's just annoying being taken to the "You have voted blah blah blah on this entry, raising it to blah blah blah". Same goes for reviews.


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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-22 22:53:15

I'm not sure if this has been posted before but what about adding sort of a rep system. You know put in a rep amount next to everybodys name and when someone helps someone else out they can vote to add some rep to them. Or if they are spamming or flaming they can get rid of their rep. You would have to put a limit of like one or two reps changed per person per day but I think that a reputation system could go really far on a board like this if it is taken seriously.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-22 23:56:49

At 3/22/07 10:53 PM, head2toewinner wrote: I'm not sure if this has been posted before but what about adding sort of a rep system. You know put in a rep amount next to everybodys name and when someone helps someone else out they can vote to add some rep to them. Or if they are spamming or flaming they can get rid of their rep. You would have to put a limit of like one or two reps changed per person per day but I think that a reputation system could go really far on a board like this if it is taken seriously.

It's been sugested before. This would be abused by the groups on the site and some people would spam even more to try to get the lowest possible rep.. Or something along those lines.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-23 15:57:11

Ok. I just saw the post in my topic. So I came here. So we suggest rules right? Just rules? Or both rules and things that they can make here?

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-23 16:11:54

At 3/23/07 03:57 PM, Twilight-Knight wrote: Ok. I just saw the post in my topic. So I came here. So we suggest rules right? Just rules? Or both rules and things that they can make here?

Any ideas you have to improve Newgrounds.

Make sure you read the first post on the first page of this thread before posting.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-23 16:16:59

At 3/23/07 04:11 PM, AfroUnderscoreStud wrote:
Any ideas you have to improve Newgrounds.

Ok then. I have an idea that just came up from reading a hellhole of a thread in the Politics section.

Idea 1: No slandering of God's (or any gods for that matter) name. No ill talk should be spoken of anyone's God or gods.

Idea 2: No posting that you hope someone will die and meaning it. I mean really making it look like you mean it. Like there was a thread in the General section where a kid was saying that his best friend had died and all of the other dumbass users were saying things like "Too bad he didn't take you first" and all that shit.

What do you think?

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-23 16:57:41

Idea for new rule:

People who actually know the workings of NG should become mods.

NAH, SCREW THAT, THAT BITCH HAS TITS. DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

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Response to Ideas for Newgrounds' Evolution Mk2 2007-03-23 19:51:57

At 3/23/07 04:57 PM, dave-mac-dave wrote: Idea for new rule:

People who actually know the workings of NG should become mods.

NAH, SCREW THAT, THAT BITCH HAS TITS. DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

You're spamming aren't you? May I ask why?