NG Audio Revolution!

[Krank]

OK THIS IS IT!

all the waiting for the audio portal changes is going to end now!
WE ARE STARTING A REVOLUTION!
to join just say your in, and as a member of the revolution you have to partake in the current revolution stage-

our first stage is going to be getting the main portal songs changed, and to acheive this submit short maybe 10-15 second loops to the audio portal and email liljim with a link to it-

maybe if we are lucky we can get the main loop changed and then that will show that we can make changes, and after that maybe we will try to get some other things changed-

if we all work together, this includes you to, mods, becuase i know you arent satisfyed with the audio portal that much either, then maybe we could finally get the changes that will make the audio portal a better place, and that would be a good thing.

so this is a joint effort, and keep in mind i wont make you do too radical of things :p
if you cant make music though, post here ideas on what the next stage could be, we all need to work together to make things happen!

i hope all you other people can relate and will help acheive a better audio portal-

-bjra-

[SpamWarrior]

Hmmm, i agree, but what style are we going for? I personally am sick of having drum and bass stuffed down my throat everytime i open the audio portal. I'd like to hear more diverse samples.

Sure, drum n bass is popular, but its not the only genre. I'd like to hear a loop from each sub genre.

Any good jazz bassists about? I'd write it all myself but i dont know any FL yet and i like working with "live" samples anyway.

I think the frontpage audio promotes the view that all newgrounds fans and users are debauched pill popping dance freaks, and whilst many will be, many wont be.

/end of ramble.

[Krank]

well all you have to do for this stage is m,erely make loops that are relativly short, submit them to the portal, and email liljim with a link, and dont be afraid to try new styles i think it be pretty cool if subgenres were used, but ur gonna have to make um up :p

rememebr we are going to pownzorz the audio portal into being good!

[Krank]

Any good jazz bassists about? I'd write it all myself but i dont know any FL yet and i like working with "live" samples anyway.

hehe didnt totally read your post before i finished, if you want jazz, ur gonna have to recruit some jass to the revolution, the more people the better

[Tancrisism]

I could definately play jazz bass. Just give me tabs, or tell me what key, and I'd be up for it. Do it soon though, before I have to give my friend back his bass.

[Krank]

just make a short like 10-15 second loop that could play on the audio portal front page and submit, i could add a beat or something if you wanna email me the bass :p

[GoreBastard]

"We fear change"

I mean, yeah that would be cool if everytime the AP opens a different tune comes on instead of the same boring old 3 that are there now. Or maybe instead of clicking the box to shut the music up, there should be more options on there, such as "next", "prev", "stop" and "play" and it is updated with newer tunes regularly so that people get to hear a bit of everything.
Smiley Face

[B0UNC3]

Hahaha....ehm ye....*serious*, I think to make a real difference in the AP there need to be a "popular" genre song playing.

[c0wz]

Accualy, while doing that why not try to update the audio portal? The Flash Portal looks MUCH nicer with lots of extras, top catagorys, and images. The audio portal looks alot older and 'dusty' compared to the Flash.

[GoreBastard]

At 6/1/05 01:24 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: Hahaha....ehm ye....*serious*, I think to make a real difference in the AP there need to be a "popular" genre song playing.

I wasn't talking about metal being blasted through the portal main page, what I mean is that box at the top of the AP screen should be different, like a small "winamp" style box which randomly plays more of the popular stuff or high scoring songs from the entire portal, and there will be options to skip through... kind of like a small demo of all of the highest scoring stuff, if you know what I mean.

[Denvish]

That would be very easy to implement in Flash. I think the way it works at the moment (I built a similar player for my site - it streams in 3-4 minute songs quite happily) is that the main swf loads smaller swfs containing the tracks; when the swf loads, it just picks one at random and loads it.

So basically, there's no reason at all why the player on the main AP page shouldn't have a selection of 10-20 songs that it can select randomly; and a way to skip from one song to the next (and even a volume control/rewind/ffwd/pause) - it's relatively easy to code in Flash.
I'm a little bit busy at the moment (with a newborn and the two older girls), but I'll definitely try to bung a couple of loops together soon.

I'd suggest using .mp3 versions of your 10-20s loops for uploading to the AP/sending to James, but also exporting a .wav version in case the loop gets chosen - since mp3s have a problem with looping perfectly in Flash, due to the padding issue.

Good luck with it...

[SpamWarrior]

At 5/31/05 09:40 PM, Pink_Floyd wrote: I could definately play jazz bass. Just give me tabs, or tell me what key, and I'd be up for it. Do it soon though, before I have to give my friend back his bass.

Well, i dont know jack shit about notation at the mo, and i'd prefer you to have the creative input. Think old school, big band style jazz, swinging. I just want a generic bassline and i'll easy write a beat for it. If you cant be bothered, its ok, i'll just reconstruct one.

Could i have your email address if you're still up for it?

[PiePie]

Well since I can't participate in this I just give ideas like bjra said.

Shouln't we let paragonx9 know that everyone is planning to kick him out and that a lot of people are not satified with his songs. I mean we should at least let him know so if he wants he could defend his title and make new songs for the audio portal front page its only fair.

what does everyone think.

on an other note since the audio portal needs change

Also now Im noy blamming anyone but I think that you should be a little sticter in letting people in the audio portal beacause theres this one guy who says the recroding was done very low so he says to turn your speakers full blast and then tehres this loud pitch soun and it makas your ears hurt and the guy has like 4 songs like this. Now im not saying the people who let music in are doing a bad job its just I think they should be more people. the only guy I know who does it is denvish and well thats not a lot.

Your thoughts

[Denvish]

At 6/1/05 08:26 AM, piepie wrote: Shouln't we let paragonx9 know that everyone is planning to kick him out and that a lot of people are not satified with his songs. I mean we should at least let him know so if he wants he could defend his title and make new songs for the audio portal front page its only fair.

what does everyone think.

I don't see any reason why one of Paragon's loops which is currently on there shouldn't remain. It's not my taste in music, and the volume is WAY too loud, but he obviously merits having his music heard, since he's an audio pro.

on an other note since the audio portal needs change

Also now Im noy blamming anyone but I think that you should be a little sticter in letting people in the audio portal beacause theres this one guy who says the recroding was done very low so he says to turn your speakers full blast and then tehres this loud pitch soun and it makas your ears hurt and the guy has like 4 songs like this. Now im not saying the people who let music in are doing a bad job its just I think they should be more people. the only guy I know who does it is denvish and well thats not a lot.

The problem with the way the AP currently works is that once an author has got their first submission in, the Audio Mods have no control over their future submissions. And even on their first submission, it's very easy to let bad ones in by mistake, since quite often they don't have profiles - and even if they do, that's not a great deal to go on in terms of information about the artist.
The other problem is, that if I decide to ban them based on their first submission, that's it - no matter how good they get in the future, they won't ever be able to submit again on that account.
James has got plans to expand the options for Audio Mods, but as he stated somewhere else, the AP only gets a fraction of NG's traffic (as shown by the relatively low amount of activity in this forum), so it's not currently a matter of high priority. And to be honest, while I'd like to see more active audio mods, it's not going to make a great deal of difference in terms of whether good or bad authors get into the AP.

[liljim]

At 6/1/05 03:04 AM, Denvish wrote: So basically, there's no reason at all why the player on the main AP page shouldn't have a selection of 10-20 songs that it can select randomly

Actually, there's a very good reason why we don't stream in loops, as opposed to just embedding them in the file - filesize. The flash loops are each around 60Kb at the moment, juxtaposed to loading the files in at runtime, which would prove frustrating for users who're still unfortunate enough to be on dialup.

[PiePie]

At 6/1/05 08:37 AM, Denvish wrote:

I don't see any reason why one of Paragon's loops which is currently on there shouldn't remain. It's not my taste in music, and the volume is WAY too loud, but he obviously merits having his music heard, since he's an audio pro.

but he should at least be imformed so if he wants he could make new loops I don't really like them either I either turn it off or I click whatever I have to click fast because your right it is to loud......

But you have to admit it would be better if there was not only you being an active audio mod.....

[Chronamut]

*coughs*i'm active*coughs*

[Rucklo]

At 6/1/05 08:38 AM, liljim wrote:

At 6/1/05 03:04 AM, Denvish wrote: So basically, there's no reason at all why the player on the main AP page shouldn't have a selection of 10-20 songs that it can select randomly

Actually, there's a very good reason why we don't stream in loops, as opposed to just embedding them in the file - filesize. The flash loops are each around 60Kb at the moment, juxtaposed to loading the files in at runtime, which would prove frustrating for users who're still unfortunate enough to be on dialup.

Fair enough, but I belive that perhaps some other artist(s) should get the chanse to get their music played on the frontpage. How about changing music once/month? Paragonx9 do get lots of attention via the AP frontpage, since his music is played there. It´s good enough to be there, of course, but there ARE many other talented artists in the AP(wich continues to grow rapidly in popularity?). I think what AP regulars want is a lil change, not just one change, but frequent stuff, to make it more fair and interesting. That probably would attract many more ppl to the ap as well.
Still i´m well aware of the fact that NG is a FLASH site, not a music site, I belive it´s time to see what´s really going on in the AP and improve stuff.
It´s extremely good there´s such a thing as the AP by the way, props for that, now continue with the AP task and improve it! :D

/Rucklo

[Pandora-Tranquil]

At 5/31/05 09:00 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Hmmm, i agree, but what style are we going for? I personally am sick of having drum and bass stuffed down my throat everytime i open the audio portal. I'd like to hear more diverse samples.

Sure, drum n bass is popular, but its not the only genre. I'd like to hear a loop from each sub genre.

Any good jazz bassists about? I'd write it all myself but i dont know any FL yet and i like working with "live" samples anyway.

I think the frontpage audio promotes the view that all newgrounds fans and users are debauched pill popping dance freaks, and whilst many will be, many wont be.

/end of ramble.

we should go for anything and everything.
im definately gonna do sum trance, dnb, and maybe some random ones like that 5 second loop Survive i did a lil while ago lol.

[HelghastSoldier]

I will do it with my video game music of course.

[Denvish]

At 6/1/05 08:38 AM, liljim wrote:

At 6/1/05 03:04 AM, Denvish wrote: So basically, there's no reason at all why the player on the main AP page shouldn't have a selection of 10-20 songs that it can select randomly

Actually, there's a very good reason why we don't stream in loops, as opposed to just embedding them in the file - filesize. The flash loops are each around 60Kb at the moment, juxtaposed to loading the files in at runtime, which would prove frustrating for users who're still unfortunate enough to be on dialup.

No, I wasn't suggesting loading full .wav files. The parent swf currently pulls in a random one of 4 .swfs using the loadMovie action... all I was suggesting was that there could be more than 4 choices for it to choose from.

It would also be possible for the loaded swf to display the actual track name in the parent flash, and it wouldn't be hard to include a 'change' button that triggered the unloadMovie/new random choice loadMovie, so someone could click their way through the different available samples.

I think it would also be nice have a small volume control panel, and to use SharedObjects save/load to remember a user's volume settings and re-apply them next time they hit the AP. The sound currently is really loud compared to anything else playing on my PC, so it's a race to hit the button and stop the music as soon as the swf loads, whenever I hit the AP front page.

I'd be happy to help rebuild the Flash if you want, although I assume yourself and Stamper know Flash well enough to implement those changes.

[Pandora-Tranquil]

k i jus lengthened Survive and made it loop right, i cant upload it yet tho cuz i got a new song (a DNB finally) already and i want reviews for it lol.

[Krank]

well, im back from sachool(who invented school anyways), and im glad perople have taken idea to the revoltuion!

i have read everything herew, and in respone to everyone whos given suggestsions and offered to help, we can do eet! we goona make the audio portal kick ass, no more flash oppression!

also liljim, i understand that quite a few people are on dialup, unfortunatly, but isnt there a practical way to fix this problem? perhaps it would be possible that when the audio portal is open, all the loops arent already looded in the swf, and instead there are many different swf. that the server chooses randomly, each with a different song? just brainstorming here

[Denvish]

At 6/1/05 03:11 PM, Bjra wrote: perhaps it would be possible that when the audio portal is open, all the loops arent already looded in the swf, and instead there are many different swf. that the server chooses randomly, each with a different song? just brainstorming here

That's the way it works currently.

[Krank]

well then how could it hurt dialup users to make the loops select from more than 5 and stream them, i mean sont they stream only if the looping swf is double clicked?

[Krank]

At 6/1/05 03:51 PM, Bjra wrote: well then how could it hurt dialup users to make the loops select from more than 5 and stream them, i mean sont they stream only if the looping swf is double clicked?

once again i fail to comprehend a post, i must have some comprehending illnes or something, anyways

im posting here to check up on how everyones 10-15 sec loops are going, has anyone finished um yet?

[Denvish]

At 6/1/05 06:00 PM, Bjra wrote: im posting here to check up on how everyones 10-15 sec loops are going, has anyone finished um yet?

It's on my list of things to do, but does not feature particularly highly in terms of priorities at the moment =)

[Krank]

It's on my list of things to do, but does not feature particularly highly in terms of priorities at the moment =)

yeah i know what your saying, theres gonna be a big gathering of audio forum mods tonight, and there gonna screw in a lightbulb, i guess teh loop can wait :p

hehehe

[FireOnAMatch]

I can help!!! I just started with FL Studio, but I made a few loops (very short ones), but I don't know how to record my music(I only have the templates of the sings saved). If anyone helps me with this, I will post a link to it in this thread(winamp player), and you could check it out before I submit it to the Audio Portal. :)

[Krank]

At 6/1/05 07:58 PM, Inuyfan1 wrote: I can help!!! I just started with FL Studio, but I made a few loops (very short ones), but I don't know how to record my music(I only have the templates of the sings saved). If anyone helps me with this, I will post a link to it in this thread(winamp player), and you could check it out before I submit it to the Audio Portal. :)

all you gotta do is open up the song file, and select "save as", tyhen go to where it says which file you can save as, and it should be on fla, click the dropdown menu, and then select mp3