Misconceptions about Conservatism

[Commander-K25]

[nocoins3]

At 6/29/02 04:23 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

GIVE UP NOW!

[dagger-happy]

Anti-conservatives win again!

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 6/29/02 04:23 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

I guess that means there are no misconceptions about conservatism... okay, I'm scared.

[Commander-K25]

At 7/2/02 08:30 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 6/29/02 04:23 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

I guess that means there are no misconceptions about conservatism... okay, I'm scared.

It was the BBS' fault. Really! Please, you've gotta believe me!

[P-Chan]

At 7/3/02 03:59 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 7/2/02 08:30 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 6/29/02 04:23 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

I guess that means there are no misconceptions about conservatism... okay, I'm scared.

It was the BBS' fault. Really! Please, you've gotta believe me!

Man oh man.

"Misconceptions about Conservatism"
"A recommendation for Left Wingers"
"The Lies of Socialism"

This is sounding a little too much like an "us versus them" forum.

Remember folks to look BEYOND the black and white! There's more to an issue than just left vs. right. If you narrow yourself to just choosing between the two sides, you risk losing site of the real issues at hand...

[Commander-K25]

At 7/3/02 06:44 AM, P-Chan wrote:
Man oh man.

"Misconceptions about Conservatism"
"A recommendation for Left Wingers"
"The Lies of Socialism"


This is sounding a little too much like an "us versus them" forum.

Remember folks to look BEYOND the black and white! There's more to an issue than just left vs. right. If you narrow yourself to just choosing between the two sides, you risk losing site of the real issues at hand...

What I intended to post here had nothing to do with "Us vs Them." It is exactly what it says it is, a clarification of some common mosperceptions about conservatism that I think deserve to be heard. Unlike many think, conservatism is not some backward political philosophy of the rich looking to maintain the status-wuo, nor is it one of ignorance, hatred or discrimination. What I intended to post outlined some of the reasons why conservatives believe as they do, a list of questions and answers, not an attack on liberalism.

[Slizor]

Unlike many think, conservatism is not some backward political philosophy of the rich looking to maintain the status-wuo, nor is it one of ignorance, hatred or discrimination. What I intended to post outlined some of the reasons why conservatives believe as they do, a list of questions and answers, not an attack on liberalism.

KKKomander, can you not give us rhetoric. So, if you became president of the United States of America(GOD BLESS THAT LOVELY COUNTRY, ahem) what would you do?

[Commander-K25]

At 7/4/02 09:26 AM, Slizor wrote:

Unlike many think, conservatism is not some backward political philosophy of the rich looking to maintain the status-wuo, nor is it one of ignorance, hatred or discrimination. What I intended to post outlined some of the reasons why conservatives believe as they do, a list of questions and answers, not an attack on liberalism.

KKKomander, can you not give us rhetoric.

Ahh, look. Hypocrisy.

So, if you became president of the United States of America(GOD BLESS THAT LOVELY COUNTRY, ahem) what would you do?

First and formeost, trim governmental excesses.

[Slizor]

KKKomander, can you not give us rhetoric.

Ahh, look. Hypocrisy.

And when have I used rhetoric?

First and formeost, trim governmental excesses.

Which means?

[Commander-K25]

At 7/5/02 07:46 AM, Slizor wrote:

KKKomander, can you not give us rhetoric.

Ahh, look. Hypocrisy.

And when have I used rhetoric?

Just above. If you can't make a decent argument, you call names. When have I said I supported the KKK or racism in general? And what rhetoric? I made a statement that is true. What I intended to post neither accuses or attacks, it is merely a statement of core conservative beliefs that, in my opinion, are often misunderstood or distorted. What I intended to do was set the record straight.

First and formeost, trim governmental excesses.

Which means?

Exactly what it says.

[Slizor]

Just above. If you can't make a decent argument, you call names.

That isn't calling you a name, that is changing your name for comedy value. Calling you a "mother-fucking crackwhore-loving conservative wanker" that is with intent to insult and possily deflect you from the arguement. But changing your name, that is not covering anything up. Poor, poor example, especially with me, since I tend not to call people names.

When have I said I supported the KKK or racism in general?

Well you seem to support the elimination of all arabs. It could never be the Israelis!

And what rhetoric?

All of those posts, like the conservative handbook.

I made a statement that is true.

What you think is true.

What I intended to post neither accuses or attacks, it is merely a statement of core conservative beliefs that, in my opinion, are often misunderstood or distorted. What I intended to do was set the record straight.

So people see the truth? Like the "Lies of Socialism"?

Exactly what it says.

Okay, re-phrase, what do you consider is Governmental excess? Medi-Care?

[Commander-K25]

At 7/6/02 12:32 PM, Slizor wrote:
That isn't calling you a name, that is changing your name for comedy value. Calling you a "mother-fucking crackwhore-loving conservative wanker" that is with intent to insult and possily deflect you from the arguement. But changing your name, that is not covering anything up. Poor, poor example, especially with me, since I tend not to call people names.

Changing, distorting, reshaping meanings, all of the above. Don't argue over semantics to avoid the real idea.

Well you seem to support the elimination of all arabs. It could never be the Israelis!

Another fabrication. I've never said I supported the eradication of all Arabs, I simply support Israel's right to exist and not to be annihilated by their Arab neighbors.

What you think is true.

Wait a minute. I haven't even posted it yet and you already assume it to be false! Such bias.

So people see the truth? Like the "Lies of Socialism"?

That was my opinion, this is a statement of conservative beliefs. Agree if you want to, don't if you don't.

Okay, re-phrase, what do you consider is Governmental excess? Medi-Care?

Trim medicare and medicaid, social security, etc. This money and regulation should be shifted from the federal government to city and county organizations to help people locally. Gradually, these organizations should be transferred to non-governmental, non-profit control and use less and less tax dollars.

More than this, the country needs dramatic reshaping and a few Constitutional amendments. The government should be required to have a spending cap based on the GDP. This cap could only be surpassed for national defense in times of crisis or war. The government's duties will be timmed back to cover it's originally intended core duties, the postal system, national defense, international diplomacy and relations, national highways and transportation, etc.

As for international relations, we would return to the Monroe Doctrine. We don't concern ourelves with other countries as long as they don't bother us. We pull out any military support for other countries, (yes, even including Israel).

It won't be an easy or smooth transition and I would probably be voted out after one term.

[Slizor]

That isn't calling you a name, that is changing your name for comedy value. Calling you a "mother-fucking crackwhore-loving conservative wanker" that is with intent to insult and possily deflect you from the arguement. But changing your name, that is not covering anything up. Poor, poor example, especially with me, since I tend not to call people names.

Changing, distorting, reshaping meanings, all of the above. Don't argue over semantics to avoid the real idea.

Which is?

Well you seem to support the elimination of all arabs. It could never be the Israelis!

Another fabrication. I've never said I supported the eradication of all Arabs, I simply support Israel's right to exist and not to be annihilated by their Arab neighbors.

It's not a fabrication(I said seems). You don't just support Israel's right to exist, you support Israel. And it might have slipped your attention, but they do seem very intent on the eradication of the palestinians.

What you think is true.

Wait a minute. I haven't even posted it yet and you already assume it to be false! Such bias.

Wow, way to misinterpret. I know that you niavely elieve in God, so I'll throw you a sales pitch. As poor, wee, mortal humans we can not possibly understand objective truths. We are not objective creatures we are relative creatures, therefore everything we think is percieved and different from what other people think. So your "truth" is not the same as mine.

Okay, re-phrase, what do you consider is Governmental excess? Medi-Care?

Trim medicare and medicaid, social security, etc. This money and regulation should be shifted from the federal government to city and county organizations to help people locally. Gradually, these organizations should be transferred to non-governmental, non-profit control and use less and less tax dollars.

How can you cut back the amount of tax dollars for them, yet still provide them?

[Commander-K25]

At 7/7/02 07:08 AM, Slizor wrote:
Which is?

That you resort to petty name calling.

It's not a fabrication(I said seems). You don't just support Israel's right to exist, you support Israel. And it might have slipped your attention, but they do seem very intent on the eradication of the palestinians.

They seem very intent on not being mobbed to death by angry Arabs. They must invade Palestine because Palestine is intent on invading them.

Wow, way to misinterpret. I know that you niavely elieve in God, so I'll throw you a sales pitch. As poor, wee, mortal humans we can not possibly understand objective truths. We are not objective creatures we are relative creatures, therefore everything we think is percieved and different from what other people think. So your "truth" is not the same as mine.

Way to get completely off topic. I said that it is true that these are my beliefs. Can you disprove that what I intended to post was NOT what I believe?

How can you cut back the amount of tax dollars for them, yet still provide them?

It's not the government's job to "provide" for them. This needs to be shifted to private, non-profit organizations. Why should government become the "nanny" of society? You hand feed people long enough and they forget how to feed themselves.

Here's a thought, if we eliminate the income tax, that was never written into the constitution BTW, then people will have more money without the need for bureaucracy. Simple.

[Necromancer31362]

well, ill agree, that palestine doesnt want any jews near it, but sometimes you think that noone does :D

BUT, as im a person full of contradictions.... yes im currently in love with a jewish person.
anyway, so someone must have masterminded using giant bulldozers to move the jews.

WAIT..... the israeli's beat them to it. look @ Jenin.

[Pecos]

Neither conservatism nor non-conservatism alone are any good. You need to keep everything in balance, a little of both worlds. It's almost never healthy to just be completely on one side of any issue. Maybe it's just me, but I think a balance must be kept in order to achieve virtue (I like that word in case you haven't noticed :)... but hey, I could be wrong.

[Necromancer31362]

At 7/9/02 08:22 AM, Pecos wrote: Neither conservatism nor non-conservatism alone are any good. You need to keep everything in balance, a little of both worlds.

what on earth do you mean, why go for anything else other than ANARCHY!
:D

[Pecos]

At 7/9/02 09:14 AM, Necromancer31362 wrote:

At 7/9/02 08:22 AM, Pecos wrote: Neither conservatism nor non-conservatism alone are any good. You need to keep everything in balance, a little of both worlds.

what on earth do you mean, why go for anything else other than ANARCHY!

D

Ah of course!! :)

[Slizor]

Which is?

That you resort to petty name calling.

The evidence is insufficent, what you have "proved" is that "I have called you a name"(to be inaccurate). Which, unsurprisingly an idiot could, and probably would point out.

It's not a fabrication(I said seems). You don't just support Israel's right to exist, you support Israel. And it might have slipped your attention, but they do seem very intent on the eradication of the palestinians.

They seem very intent on not being mobbed to death by angry Arabs. They must invade Palestine because Palestine is intent on invading them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't a Palestinian come to the same conclusion?

How can you cut back the amount of tax dollars for them, yet still provide them?

It's not the government's job to "provide" for them.

So when you say "cut back governmental excess" it means that you stop supporting the most disadvantaged people in society? No?

[Commander-K25]

At 7/9/02 06:58 AM, Necromancer31362 wrote: well, ill agree, that palestine doesnt want any jews near it, but sometimes you think that noone does :D

BUT, as im a person full of contradictions.... yes im currently in love with a jewish person.
anyway, so someone must have masterminded using giant bulldozers to move the jews.

WAIT..... the israeli's beat them to it. look @ Jenin.

Jenin, the media-made "massacre." There is absolutely no evidence to support any "massacre" other than what flows from Arafat's propaganda machine, and quite a good one it is. He rivals Dr. Goebbels.

In this alleged "massacre" about 70 Palestinians died. What you don't hear is that almost an equal number of Israeli soldiers died and most of the Palestinian "victims" were not innocent civilians but armed militants taking part in a running firefight where it is inevitable that a handful of civilians will get caught in the crossfire.

[Commander-K25]

At 7/9/02 05:52 PM, Slizor wrote:

Which is?

That you resort to petty name calling.

The evidence is insufficent, what you have "proved" is that "I have called you a name"(to be inaccurate). Which, unsurprisingly an idiot could, and probably would point out.

It was a minor point that you made major, so don't look at me about it.

It's not a fabrication(I said seems). You don't just support Israel's right to exist, you support Israel. And it might have slipped your attention, but they do seem very intent on the eradication of the palestinians.

They seem very intent on not being mobbed to death by angry Arabs. They must invade Palestine because Palestine is intent on invading them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't a Palestinian come to the same conclusion?

You most likely come to a conclusion based upon what side you support.

How can you cut back the amount of tax dollars for them, yet still provide them?

It's not the government's job to "provide" for them.

So when you say "cut back governmental excess" it means that you stop supporting the most disadvantaged people in society? No?

It means refusing to subsidize those who won't get ahead in society. This country has more opportunity thatn any other in the world, and it's no suprise that the oppressed and disadvantaged from all over the world come here.

There is also a misperception of just how many poor people there are in this country. In fact, there are just 12.7%

[P-Chan]

At 7/4/02 01:00 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 7/3/02 06:44 AM, P-Chan wrote:
Man oh man.

"Misconceptions about Conservatism"
"A recommendation for Left Wingers"
"The Lies of Socialism"


This is sounding a little too much like an "us versus them" forum.

Remember folks to look BEYOND the black and white! There's more to an issue than just left vs. right. If you narrow yourself to just choosing between the two sides, you risk losing site of the real issues at hand...

What I intended to post here had nothing to do with "Us vs Them."

I don't believe you. Just by observing how you are posting proves what I was saying. Pretty much everything you say is just shallow partisan politics. Please think outside the box.

It is exactly what it says it is, a clarification of some common mosperceptions about conservatism that I think deserve to be heard. Unlike many think, conservatism is not some backward political philosophy of the rich looking to maintain the status-wuo, nor is it one of ignorance, hatred or discrimination.

I'm glad you have such a clear and enlightening FAQ of conservatism at your disposal. Please share your views cuz I'm sure it will represent all conservative views out there.

What I intended to post outlined some of the reasons why conservatives believe as they do, a list of questions and answers, not an attack on liberalism.

Simply by labelling your side as "The Conservatives" you are falling into the "us vs. them" trap.

I've read a fair amount of your posts and I'd say you're pretty much black and white. No offense dude, but a lot of your posts seem like they're just lifted directly from other sources of media, whether it be conservative websites, the history channel, or just the bible. In my opinion, that's a bad thing to do... and I'll explain why someday.

Your past threads...

Misconceptions about Conservatism
The Lies of Socialism
Rush's Undeniable truths
Lies of the left exposed!
White History Month
Time for Moral Reform in America
Conservatism

Do you see a pattern emerging?!?!?! You sound like a flag boy for Pat Buchanan. This ain't football, this is reality. The primary goal is NOT simply to score against the opposing team!

[Slizor]

It means refusing to subsidize those who won't get ahead in society.

There is an important difference between "don't" and "won't". It is impossible to prove "won't" but "don't" is quite easy.

This country has more opportunity thatn any other in the world, and

*cough*

it's no suprise that the oppressed and disadvantaged from all over the world come here.

To enjoy McJobs, of course!

There is also a misperception of just how many poor people there are in this country. In fact, there are just 12.7%

My god! Only 1 in 10?! That's only like 25 million!

[FreedomSlave]

Jenin, the media-made "massacre." There is absolutely no evidence to support any "massacre" other than what flows from Arafat's propaganda machine, and quite a good one it is. He rivals Dr. Goebbels.

rlly. I always thought the US had the best propoganda machine. all of those major news networks, owned by the rich men of the world. kinda makes you want to question everything your told. or am I alone in that ?

[P-Chan]

At 7/15/02 11:32 AM, Reaper-n wrote:

Jenin, the media-made "massacre." There is absolutely no evidence to support any "massacre" other than what flows from Arafat's propaganda machine, and quite a good one it is. He rivals Dr. Goebbels.

rlly. I always thought the US had the best propoganda machine. all of those major news networks, owned by the rich men of the world. kinda makes you want to question everything your told. or am I alone in that ?

Definetly not! ^_^ I think questioning the stuff you hear in the media is absolutely essential if you want to understand this world.

In a dictatorship, people can beat you into submission. But you can't do that in a democracy... so you have to use less violent means.

Would Britany Spears have a sucessful music career without all the big marketing behind her? I doubt it. Some people can't even sing, but have a powerful image that marketing has brought upon them. If the record companies are so good at getting us to spend millions on these artists... then imagine what other corporations or the government can pull off.

[FreedomSlave]

Would Britany Spears have a sucessful music career without all the big marketing behind her? I doubt it. Some people can't even sing, but have a powerful image that marketing has brought upon them. If the record companies are so good at getting us to spend millions on these artists... then imagine what other corporations or the government can pull off.

Totally. Bratney spears wouldn't have got anywhere without marketing.

I have learnt not to listen to anything the big corps tell me. and i've never listened to the govenrnment :)