Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

[HighlyIllogical]

Feel free to express your opinions regarding the issue in the subject. Myself, I think Israel has both a historical and legal claim to the Land (yes, this is supposed to be capitalized). What about you?

[MortifiedPenguins]

of course Isreal has a claim to that land. The arab nation fought a war against them and they won. they won the land. case closed.

[Jerconjake]

I'm pretty sure there are other threads about this...

But in what way does Israel have a historic and legal claim to the land? It was theirs thousands of years ago and then they lost it in a war, fair and square. Other people moved in for thousands of years and all of a sudden Jews come and kick them out because they decided to come back?

[Arrabbicum]

At 5/24/05 06:51 PM, mackid wrote:

:I think Israel has both a historical and legal claim to the Land. What about you?

What exactly is meant by "historical claim"?

I can't see that the Jews have any greater "historical claim" to the Holy Land than do the Turks, the Palestinians, and the Vatican.

As to legality, their occupation can not be justified by natural law, so we must fall back on the positive law of international affairs. As such, their claim to a certain portion of land in the Levant is legal, but they occupy a quantity of land significantly larger.

At 5/24/05 06:53 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: of course Isreal has a claim to that land. The arab nation fought a war against them and they won. they won the land. case closed.

At the time of the Arab/Israeli war, there was no unified "Arab nation". Several Arab countries did not involve themselves. In addition, there are only two nations which one might consider to actually have had a claim to the land, the Palestinians and Turkey. Neither one was directly involved in the war.

The successful repulsion of Transjordanian, Egyptian, and Saudi invaders by the Jews does not grant them right to the land, since none of those groups had a right either. It would be like Russia and China fighting over Japan. China wins so you say it is legally theirs, but no one ever asks the Japonese.

[totalwar]

At 5/24/05 06:54 PM, Jerconjake wrote: But in what way does Israel have a historic and legal claim to the land? It was theirs thousands of years ago and then they lost it in a war, fair and square. Other people moved in for thousands of years and all of a sudden Jews come and kick them out because they decided to come back?

Yes but the English came and kicked the shit out of the Arabs and took the land then gave it to the Jews. Thats as good a claim as any.

[darklad]

yo arabbicum, where are you from?

[Pluto-from-Below]

Both Palestina and Israel have the right, since there was an agreement (i thought it was called the Oslo thing, but i'm not sure). And that isn't the problem of the conflict, the problem is Jeruzalem (where are the borders there?) and the fact that the Israeli army is kind of occupieing the Palestinian part (so it is really diffecult to travel in Palestina as Palestinian). Also there are Jews that build up settlements in Palestinian areas and claim that land, and than, when their under attack ask the Israeli governement for help. And there is the security-"fence", that is limiting the fredom of the Palestinian people.

Solution: Hamas (and other terrorgroups) should stop fighting, Israel should get into its own borders!

[darklad]

tehkie arabie? aslak men waeen?

[AwkwardSilence]

People can argue all day about who has a historical claim to the land. I think Israel does, but even if they didn't it doesn't matter anymore.
The Israelis live there now, and some kind of agreement has to be made that helps both parties. They can't just get up and leave even if they wanted to, most Israelies came to Israel in the first place as refugees, and claiming Israel has to go is no more right then kicking Palestinians, Native Americans, or any other group of people off their land.
I think both parties are guilty of a lot of fucked up shit, and I really believe that this situation occured far more, and is perpetuated, more by outside influences on both groups rather than internally. I DO think that the Palestinians use terrorist tactics and that Israel has a right to defend itself, but I also think that the Israeli govt. tends to downplay the amount of suffering which the Palestinians are facing and the way it treats them.
I consider myself pro-Israel because there is so much anti-semitic backlash and straight up lies that get spread because of the conflict. I also think it's important to recognize that Israel has a democratic government with many voices, many of which object to the governments actions, whereas the Palestinian authority pracitices extreme forms of censorship in order to make it seem like the Palestinian people have only one voice.

[drDAK]

At 5/24/05 06:51 PM, mackid wrote: Feel free to express your opinions regarding the issue in the subject. Myself, I think Israel has both a historical and legal claim to the Land (yes, this is supposed to be capitalized). What about you?

Who said Isreal had Historical claim to the land?

[morefngdbs]

Isn't there reference in that often thumped religious book(s) That goes back to a story how Abraham (or someone around his time) had 2 sons ,1 with his first wife and later a 2nd son with a new wife. These half brothers disagreed and split up each taking their followers and going off to do their own thing.
1- became the Palastinean people the 2nd became the jews.
So here we are thousands of years later and the same FAMILY is still fighting.
I say drop a couple dozen of the biggest bombs you have in the states that will do the most damage with the least fallout, Problem Solved ,finally.

[HighlyIllogical]

Last response sounds as good as any :) but I still gotta say, the Mandate of the League of Nations gave authority to the Brits and the Brits gave it up (which was under the League's authority).