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At 8/3/02 05:11 AM, Slizor wrote: Heh, of course it couldn't be that people should actually hate Israel for the mass killings/levelling of uildings/all that crap. No they must be brainwashed! And those poor Israeli soldiers("Defence force" My arse!) with their piddly little M-16, trying to be as humanitarian as possible. Bullshit. The Israelis fuck the Palestinians over, so the Palestinians fuck the Israelis over(well the Israelis fuck the Palestinians over more.) It ain't got shit to do with brainwashing...unless you also say that the Israelis are brainwashed...

I understand their motivation for hating Israel, but I can't see why a rational person would want to sacrifice themselves to kill civilians. They are brainwashed into believing that martyrdom will get them into a higher echelon of heaven where they'll be serviced by 27 virgins, or some such bollocks. Young men and women are exploited in this way by terrorist leaders who, surprise, suprise, never feel inclined to strap a bomb to THEIR chests and preach by example. The Israelis are indoctrinated too, but their situation is not so desperate. My post was answering Flattus's comment; killing innocent civilians is neither honourable nor desirable.

At 8/3/02 05:11 AM, Slizor wrote:

The suicide bombers are brainwashed with a chilling religious fanaticism and dogmatic hatred of all that is not like them.

Heh, of course it couldn't be that people should actually hate Israel for the mass killings/levelling of uildings/all that crap. No they must be brainwashed! And those poor Israeli soldiers("Defence force" My arse!) with their piddly little M-16, trying to be as humanitarian as possible. Bullshit. The Israelis fuck the Palestinians over, so the Palestinians fuck the Israelis over(well the Israelis fuck the Palestinians over more.) It ain't got shit to do with brainwashing...unless you also say that the Israelis are brainwashed...

Exactly. Isreali sanctions cause the palistinians to live in dirty, filthy gehttos while their Jewish neighbors eat peeled grapes in their Air-conditioned houses. Isreali tanks blow up houses for no real reason. Isreali troops have killed 35 Americans living in Isreal. Isreali troops have also attacked American warships (U.S.S Liberty) Say France killed 35 Americans for no real reason and attacked one of our warships. We would to go to war with them in an instant. But, When isreal does it, We uphold a "mutual bond" (The truth is, Isreal hates us and will turn on us when they get strong enough) with them. Odd, Isnt it?

At 7/31/02 11:51 PM, FlattusMaximus wrote:

At 7/31/02 02:43 PM, dagger_happy wrote:

At 7/31/02 06:32 AM, susanowoo wrote: Israel are murders !

So are Palestinian suicide bombers! Besides, what has that got to do with ... ah, forget it.

At least Palestinians have the balls to sacrifice their own life for the greater good.

Isrealis cant even kill a man throwing rocks without hiding in the saftey of their Air-conditioned tanks (That we GAVE to them) It's sad how pussified the world has become. Look back at the Vikings. For them, There was no greater honor than a death in battle.
Americans would rather die of old age than in battle.

Thats why America will get it's collective ass handed to it very soon.

Greater good up my ass. Suicide bombers are cowerds, Who belive that women and children are an easier target than soldiers.
Battle? a mall, a civilian bus, or a resturant are Battle fields?

At 8/5/02 02:30 PM, Kuronir wrote:

At 7/31/02 11:51 PM, FlattusMaximus wrote:

At 7/31/02 02:43 PM, dagger_happy wrote:

At 7/31/02 06:32 AM, susanowoo wrote: Israel are murders !

So are Palestinian suicide bombers! Besides, what has that got to do with ... ah, forget it.

At least Palestinians have the balls to sacrifice their own life for the greater good.

Isrealis cant even kill a man throwing rocks without hiding in the saftey of their Air-conditioned tanks (That we GAVE to them) It's sad how pussified the world has become. Look back at the Vikings. For them, There was no greater honor than a death in battle.
Americans would rather die of old age than in battle.

Thats why America will get it's collective ass handed to it very soon.

Greater good up my ass. Suicide bombers are cowerds, Who belive that women and children are an easier target than soldiers.
Battle? a mall, a civilian bus, or a resturant are Battle fields?

Who's the bigger Coward, The man who must mow down civilains from inside a tank, Or the one who sacrifices his life to do it?

At 7/31/02 06:32 AM, susanowoo wrote: Israel are murders !

Nice picture piece of propaganda, but your prscious palestinians commit equal or worse atrocities. At least most Israeli victims are those that are caught in the line of fire and killed by sloppy military action.

Shalhevet Pass, shot through the head in her mother's arms, by a Palestinian sniper.

Nice picture piece of propaganda, but your prscious palestinians commit equal or worse atrocities. At least most Israeli victims are those that are caught in the line of fire and killed by sloppy military action.

I'm sorry, did someone say stats? What's this 500 Palestinians to 100 Israelis in a recent UN report?

http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc645.html

Commander, Has palestine INTENTIONALLY attacked any American warships? I thought not.

In the 60s, Isreali Fighters launched an attack on The USS liberty, A ship with a LARGE AMERICAN FLAG flying.
The Crew radioed the Isreali planes 7 times telling them they were an American ship, But the Isrealis still attacked it!
Commander, I ask you, What would America do if say, Italy intentionally attacked one of our Warships?
Why, We would go to war with them!
So why didnt we go to war with Isreal?

the nazis DID NOT agree to recognise a free jewish state,it was ment to be on madagascar and polieced by germans in leather pants.would YOU refuse to go there?
by the way,i'm irish,and i think you take a very romantisised veiw of irish and scottish history.why did
you not use to oppertunity to work in the famine to your story.i think you dont know shit about jews or "celts"

At 8/11/02 07:39 AM, kurtcobain9 wrote:
the nazis DID NOT agree to recognise a free jewish state,it was ment to be on madagascar and polieced by germans in leather pants.would YOU refuse to go there?

Jewish policy went through a number of stages in the Third Reich before finally resorting to mass murder in 1941/42. Basically, they just wanted to get rid of them, so the Eugenics-minded SS leaders liked the idea of shipping them off to Israel, so that their biological "disease" wouldn't spread around the world. Interestingly enough, the first shots fired in WW2, after war had just been declared, were from British troops firing at German ships, which were trying to illegally dump Jews in Israel. Nazis in the Foreign Ministry preferred scattered immigration of Jews from Germany, so as not to create a hostile Jewish state.

After the war had started, and Germany's expansion had dramatically increased its Jewish population, the Madagascar plan was favoured. However, this never happened because Hitler never attained dominance of the seas. Mass murder of the Jews was initiated in 1941 by SS "Einsatzgruppen" troops in Russia, who followed the regular army and executed all the professionals, leaders - and Jews. Somewhere between the beginning of Operation Barbarossa and the Wannsee conference 6 months later, Hitler and his elites decided to adopt the same policy for the rest of the Jews.

thats me told then