Whats with mainstream!

[Krank]

I submitted a song which i intentionally named "mainstream crap" and i made it in 5 minute flat(i timed myself, wierd huh)
i intentionally made it with crappy everything and unbalanced everything, while keeping it within "mainstream" perameters, and people still like it, mostly becuase its familiar and mainstream..

cant people just have open minds, if that happened, we wouldnt have a voting problem now would we.
or if we just all submitted mainstream music, we would all get good reviews too :p

any comments/questions/concerns about my obviously bioas veiw :p
or any ideas on how to fix the veiws of most audio portal..uh..ers

[XwaynecoltX]

What can i say

People are crazy, sometimes they dont know what the hell they are doing...

Maybe it was just that good, maybe it was just a favorite among a few people who know, depends on the person listening to that certain audio...

~X~

[Krank]

People are crazy, sometimes they dont know what the hell they are doing...

you can say that again dude...

Maybe it was just that good

hehe maybe my music doesnt suck afterall

[XwaynecoltX]

At 5/20/05 09:18 PM, Bjra wrote: hehe maybe my music doesnt suck afterall

Heh im sure its fine, i think i checkedout one of yours today, not sure, but im just starting to get into all this audio stuff, im sure ill come by them again...

~X~

[Krank]

im just starting to get into all this audio stuff

well dude, your in for a sweet ride, theirs some pretty awsome music in audio portal :p

[JonH2O]

At 5/20/05 10:43 PM, Intrinsik4 wrote: Mainstream is how people make money. You release the good stuff on the side for the real fans.

That's how Nirvana became so famous. Their record "Nevermind" is pretty poppy in relation to their other stuff. Alot of people didn't know that that was their 2nd album.

[Erkie]

It's popular because it's simple and catchy. With anything else it's an acquired taste with who you are.

[Krank]

At 5/21/05 04:29 PM, Erkie wrote: With anything else it's an acquired taste with who you are.

lol exaclty what i beleive :p

[Erkie]

I like useful posts.

Especially when they say simple things at the start and then delve into the sciences of things.

[napalm6b]

The thing that really bothers me is the way that music has been so dumbed down in the last 50 years.

At one point in time people really loved and respected complex music. Classical music, jazz and even blues and blue grass had so much more depth than many current forms. Sure there were drinking songs and simple folk music, but everyone learned that stuff when they were kids anyone could do it and everyone knew it.

It speaks alot to me about general problems in society in general, people don't ppreciate complex ideas. Alot of people don't to want to think for themselves.

[PiePie]

My thoughts

The reason why mainstream is so popular because most people just do what the other person does becuase they have no identity. So if a popular person in school likes a certain music then everyone will copy and like it to and then it gets bigger and bigger and bigger then you have stars like britney and jessica. Thats why mainstream is like the empire in star wars people follow.

I don't know if what I said made sense all I know is the mistakes in the portal are making me confused and hungry.

[Chronamut]

At 5/21/05 05:28 PM, piepie wrote: My thoughts

The reason why mainstream is so popular because most people just do what the other person does becuase they have no identity. So if a popular person in school likes a certain music then everyone will copy and like it to and then it gets bigger and bigger and bigger then you have stars like britney and jessica. Thats why mainstream is like the empire in star wars people follow.

I don't know if what I said made sense all I know is the mistakes in the portal are making me confused and hungry.

What I think is that so many genres of music have been done now that its really hard to break through that barrier and come up with new and innovative sounds - everything can be classified these days.

Also artists strive to be like the artists that they listened to growing up.

And yes some artists lock themselves away in isolation while making a new album so that they will not be influenced by anything. I personally believe that this is a good thing as the media all around you highly influences your creative thought and you may end up inadvertantly ripping someone off

I recall a few artists where they almost totally ripped off another artist - popular songs too - and so for royalties they get NOTHING - all royalties go to the artist they ripped off, so you gotta be careful!

And yes for so called "true" musicians "mainstream" is like becoming a prep - killing your identity to fit in with everyone else.

Me i couldnt care less - f**k mainstram I just do whatever pops into my head - I tend to start things and people follow them. What people need to know that there does need to be mainstream people and the unique people. If everyone was unique your song would blend in more instead of being a stark contrast on the plain tablecloth that is music, on the table that is life.

Also newgrounds is nice due to that fact that people are competing for attention - they are not lookig for money so there isnt as much pressure to pump out something quick and mainstream to make a few bucks *coughs*limp bizkit*coughs*

seems my cough has come back

anyways those are my views on things - I can be serious at times you know..

[JonH2O]

Yes, people do tend to blend in. But it may not be so much that they have no identity. Just, maybe their identity relates to anothers in some ways due to an idea that everyone affects everybody. SOmeone has a great idea, be it music or otherwise, acts upon it, and people like it. That spawns more ideas and more and more, until that idea is played out. Now, that whole era is binded into the minds of the kids that grew up with it and are untentionally (uncounsiously, whatever) influenced by those ideas. Think about what is happeneing in these years right now. What did these teenagers in high school grow up on? Well, Video Games for one. Computers...plenty other things. Now think about those 2 things I mentioned. Now think about what they have brought to music.....awesome. We now have the possibility of making awesomely great music without having to master an instrument or even leave our house. It's all solo work. We are not bound by what people we know or who has the hook ups for a record press or live gigs to get our music heard. NO! We jsut sit our little asses down, squeeze out a number, and send it to some website where people can listen to it...

Ok....Now, look at what first came up out of this....Techno I believe is one...I, for one, can't stand techno, at least, not what I hear on the radio or anywhere else where people thrive....It's too fucking boring.

Now look what the youth has to offer. Look around Newgrounds.... It is very rare that you will find some shit you would hear on the radio on the top fo the portal somewhere.

We are the new minds of the generation people....Our time is comming.
This underground music scene will boil over sooner or later...It has to..Because it is too great of a thing to keep unknown forever.

*looses train of thought*

[Erkie]

I don't care if it's been done before, it's if it sounds good.

Personally, if you don't have an idol, you'll have ten times less chance you'll actually come up with something. I happen to find no problem following in someones footsteps because then I' am what they call a SUCCESSOR. And I love doing what I do for a reason.

It's when something doesn't have a purpose when it bugs me. Both the artist and what he/she comes up with as art.

[JonH2O]

At 5/21/05 05:11 PM, napalm6b wrote: The thing that really bothers me is the way that music has been so dumbed down in the last 50 years.

Yeah *Scoff* What hasn't been dumbed down?

At one point in time people really loved and respected complex music. Classical music, jazz and even blues and blue grass had so much more depth than many current forms.

We are evolving into fucking sloths. That shit's too hard and takes too much time
Computers are starting to change that. I mean, I think about it this way...Think about how complex a song could really be if someone were to master everything there was to know about a music program like Reason or Logic Pro 7 (I think that's what it's called) All these new instruments right in front of us at our dissposal. It isn't as hard (as far as my perseption of things go) to make something sound really complex on the computer than it is to do it with a Violin and all this other orchestra stuff. Add some reverb...Compress it a little bit...add some more plug-ins.. Know what I mean? Think of how much potential we all have to mastering what we are doing.. Knowing the ins and outs of absolutly everything there was to know about sound manipulation.

It speaks alot to me about general problems in society in general, people don't ppreciate complex ideas. Alot of people don't to want to think for themselves.

True.

Shoot me,
-Sean h5o

[Stephanovich]

At 5/21/05 03:03 AM, JonH2O wrote:

At 5/20/05 10:43 PM, Intrinsik4 wrote: Mainstream is how people make money. You release the good stuff on the side for the real fans.

That's how Nirvana became so famous. Their record "Nevermind" is pretty poppy in relation to their other stuff.

Never talk that way about Nirvana EVER again!

[SpamWarrior]

Why, its true enough. Smells like teen spirit was so popular, people now through rocks at you if you play it. They went poppy, whether they meant to, or whether it was the smack or not.

They were fantastic on some tracks, but to make the rock n roll fame you've got to have mainstream appeal, even if you do something a bit different.

Nirvana had all the ingredients to be a mainstream success:

1. A "sexy" frontman. Like it or not, girls wanted Kurt Cobain, and lads wanted to BE him.
2. The attitude of doing something different, whilst using standard melody sequences. They were no Captain Beefheart, with his 17/54 (or whatever) time structures.
3. ENERGY
4. Danceability
5. A target demographic. A cluster of people, a trend, whatever you want to call it.

Cynical, but its the world that is cynical.

[JonH2O]

At 5/22/05 04:00 PM, SpamWarrior wrote:

2. The attitude of doing something different, whilst using standard melody sequences. They were no Captain Beefheart, with his 17/54 (or whatever) time structures.

Cynical, but its the world that is cynical.

I feel special knowing who Captain Beefheart was....awesome music.

and indeed...the world is cynical.

[GoreBastard]

At 5/20/05 09:07 PM, Bjra wrote: I submitted a song which i intentionally named "mainstream crap" and i made it in 5 minute flat(i timed myself, wierd huh)
i intentionally made it with crappy everything and unbalanced everything, while keeping it within "mainstream" perameters, and people still like it, mostly becuase its familiar and mainstream..

cant people just have open minds, if that happened, we wouldnt have a voting problem now would we.
or if we just all submitted mainstream music, we would all get good reviews too :p

any comments/questions/concerns about my obviously bioas veiw :p
or any ideas on how to fix the veiws of most audio portal..uh..ers

I think that it's because of 3 different things:

1: People that arn't musicians don't hear things in songs that good musicians do, for example, I have friends that don't notice when a song is in 3/4 time. Also people are tone deaf, we all have friends who try to hum a tune, but it sounds completly different to what it's supposed to be.

2: Alot of users on Newgrounds are only just going through puberty! When I was younger I didn't appreciate some of the music that I love now, I was just like "fuck that shit, it's not fast enough"... People need time to develop their pubes and become more open minded!

3: Look at the quality of dumbasses in the world. What can we expect when we're in a world of people that type like this:
"Piconjo Pwns j00 and <3's C0C|<"

[SpamWarrior]

At 6/2/05 05:01 AM, JonH2O wrote:

At 5/22/05 04:00 PM, SpamWarrior wrote:

2. The attitude of doing something different, whilst using standard melody sequences. They were no Captain Beefheart, with his 17/54 (or whatever) time structures.

Cynical, but its the world that is cynical.

I feel special knowing who Captain Beefheart was....awesome music.

Its genius, i've only heard bits, but its beyond insanity and out the other side.

and indeed...the world is cynical.

Yes. Dance rules because everyone wants to be the same, and look fit and sexy to everyone else, whilst at the same time be an individual. Not enough people say fuck the trends, i'm doin what i like, and i dont give a shit who likes me or not. Ah well.

[423L337]

Yeah people just take an original idea and modify it.I hate that. But it is hard to do new things when ppl are making so much money copying each other. Theyve been doing it since the dawn of time.how else would music genres be started?

[423L337]

Has anyone noticed how like more than half the movies/games that people submit here use sounds from counter strike....dont get me wrong its a great source for sounds and I like it cuz its familiar sounds. But its just kinda strange the same ppl who play cs also make flash movies

[Pandora-Tranquil]

make it mainstream, then out-do it.

boom, you got urself a top seller

[SpamWarrior]

The genres are kept there artificially. People are shunned if they like diverse types of music, no genre will take them in.

And to that nobhead who was ripping experimental, where the fuck do you think all the mainstream ideas come from.

Might not have been in this thread, but never mind.

Anyway, 40 years ago, dance would've been 'experimental' music, so you can just fuck off, retard.

End of message.

[JonH2O]

I'm really interested in what will become of music in the next few years. Bands like Gorillaz, Kasabian, Beck, and Mindless Self Indulgence (prime example) all have that electronic approach. I can't wait. It's going to be very, very awesome. A new genre is going to explode...I can feel it.

Just another trend that will consume itself. It will be manufactured and sold to us for twice the price. Grunge, Emo, Hip-hop lifestyle....It cannot be avoided. Pessimistic? I think not.
Infallible

Indeed, the world is cynical.

Remind me to go buy some spinners for my car, they're cheap now. Stores have competition, you know...