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At 5/20/05 06:35 PM, Arrabbicum wrote: Automobile emissions cause more of a public health hazard than does smoking. Why not ban public driving?

Because everyone drives - why ban something that you do yourself?

Seriously, 98% of the people who will likely get this passed don't smoke. I agree with the others who have stated it's descrimination against smokers.

Not in all public places maybe a few (certain restruants, official places, etc.) but all is going a bit overboard. After a while you become immune to the smoke in terms of it bothering you on the outside. If you don't like the smoking sit in the non-smoking sections or go to a smoke free place.

Yes, cars are more of a hazard to what we breathe in. But they serve a useful purpose for everyone.

Honestly, what useful purpose does smoking have?

At 5/26/05 08:23 AM, Skavau wrote: Honestly, what useful purpose does smoking have?

What purpose does alcohol serve?
What purpose does fried chicken serve?
How about soft drinks?
What purpose does coffee, and tea, serve?
To what purpose does fried pork strive towards?
How about pot? What 'useful' purpose does that serve?

Sometimes, the only purpose of something is enjoyment. Recreation. Happiness, derived from unhealthy habits.

Look at all the tradgedies that alcohol serves. From innocents run down by drunk drivers, to families ruined by alcoholism. Is alcohol pure in virtue? Does alcohol contribute towards the 'greater good'? No.
And look at fried foods. America stuffs their face with everything from bacon, to deep fried crab meat. Where's the greater good, in that?
Does coffee benefit your health? Does it save lives? Does it feed the hungry, and shelter the homeless? Does it promote world peace? No.

America, and every other country, loves recreation. That's what cigaretes are. And fried food. And coffee. And drugs. And loud mufflers. And big screen tvs.
Very little, in our society, can be called a 'neccessity'.

Yet, we don't complain about people who get headaches when they don't have their coffee in the morning, do we? When it comes to that, people simply say "Hey, it's their life...let them live it.''
No one complains when people have cocktails at lunch. No one complains when your average joe consumes three times the calories that are reccomended for a healthy diet.

Mcdonalds three times a week. A pot of coffee everyday. Joint after bowl-pack after bong hit.
KFC, Jimmy Dean, Lipton.
Jack Daniels, Miller High Life, Foldgers.
Marlboro, Pall malls, Camels.
Coke, Pepsi, Mountain-dew, Dr. Pepper.
Donuts, and fritters, and Little Debbie. Apple pie, and birthday cake.

See: Clogged arteries. See: Kidney failure.
Refer to: Urinary tract infecton.
See: Caffeine withdrawals.
Also see: Skyrocketing blood pressure, and high cholesteral. Fat building up on the exterior of your bowels, from an unhealthy diet. The slow and constant dehydration that over thirty percent of America suffers from, because they don't drink enough water. People that take so much Tylenol and Advil, their livers simply shut down. People that take aspirin until their blood is like water, all the time. The non-FDA approved herbal remedies that poison your body, while releasing pleasurable endorphines. The diets that shed nothing but water weight.

The air in the average home is estimated to be ten times more dirty than the smog above most major cities.

We don't need any of those unhealthy things. They serve no purpose.
Almost everything is a poison. Almost everything will kill you. And nintey percent of it serves little, or no purpose.
But, what does it matter? This is America. The land of the consumers, and the home of recreational poisons.

Just get over it. We're all killing ourselves, in some indirect way. I smoke. You eat bacon. Your neighbor drinks. Your mom drives too fast. Your dad doesn't drink enough water. Your friends eat too much processed meats and cheeses.
Anyone that doesn't fall into any of those probably consumes too many preservatives. Or they don't count calories. Or they sleep too much, or too little.

This is life. We're all racing to see who can get in the ground the quickest. Enjoy it, instead of hiding from it. Stop looking for purpose. There is none. Not in anything.

What purpose does alcohol serve? What purpose does fried chicken serve? How about soft drinks? What purpose does coffee, and tea, serve? To what purpose does fried pork strive towards? How about pot? What 'useful' purpose does that serve?

Most of those mentioned above do not harm other people. Smoking does. A smoker in a public place smoking could cause potential damage.
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Look at all the tradgedies that alcohol serves. From innocents run down by drunk drivers, to families ruined by alcoholism. Is alcohol pure in virtue? Does alcohol contribute towards the 'greater good'? No.

I'm kinda against alcohol, although I do drink a little myself! =P
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And look at fried foods. America stuffs their face with everything from bacon, to deep fried crab meat. Where's the greater good, in that? Does coffee benefit your health? Does it save lives? Does it feed the hungry, and shelter the homeless? Does it promote world peace? No.

But the person eating the food or drinking the coffee only harms themselves. Smoking can potentially harm those around.
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Just get over it. We're all killing ourselves, in some indirect way. I smoke. You eat bacon
I'm a vegetarian meself.

I don't think it's so much of a matter of discriminating against those who smoke, it's just those who don't smoke wish to be able to be in a public place without having to breathe it in. I don't really know if this is something the government can tell people exactly what to do, or if the business owner's themselves should be able to make the call if they wish to have a smoke free establishment or not.

At 5/26/05 09:04 AM, _FLAGG wrote: Yet, we don't complain about people who get headaches when they don't have their coffee in the morning, do we? When it comes to that, people simply say "Hey, it's their life...let them live it.''

They aren't breathing their coffee into my lungs. That's why i let them live their life, because it isn't affecting mine.

No one complains when people have cocktails at lunch. No one complains when your average joe consumes three times the calories that are reccomended for a healthy diet.

Again, these people aren't affecting me. The only thing that would affect me potentially is a drunk driver, and that's also something you aren't supposed to do, in case you didn't notice.

Mcdonalds three times a week. A pot of coffee everyday. Joint after bowl-pack after bong hit.

I don't eat fast food. I don't drink coffe. I don't smoke, ANYTHING.

KFC, Jimmy Dean, Lipton.

I don't put that shit inside myself.

Jack Daniels, Miller High Life, Foldgers.

I very rarely drink, and I very very very seldomly drink a cup of coffee.

Marlboro, Pall malls, Camels.

Don't smoke, obviously.

Coke, Pepsi, Mountain-dew, Dr. Pepper.

I don't drink soft drinks, either. Too much sugar, but that's beside the fact that I never drink anything carbonated.

Donuts, and fritters, and Little Debbie. Apple pie, and birthday cake.

I try to keep down the amount of sugar I eat. Pie and cake every once in a while, perhaps a donut every few months.

See: Clogged arteries. See: Kidney failure.

See: Avoidable. See: Not my problem.

Refer to: Urinary tract infecton.

Refer to: I'm running out of things to say

See: Caffeine withdrawals.

See: Cut off the source, and you end the withdrawls.

LOTS MORE STUFF, YOU GET THE POINT

In any case, none of those things are causing any harm to me. People can fuck themselves up all they want. But if I want to live a healthy life, I don't need people dumping poison in my lungs. In addition to that, I have fucking asthma. I don't need people packed into every doorway I try to walk through, hotboxing the whole fucking area, just because their stupid habit has left their lungs too blackened to walk 20 metres away to let people in and out of the door more easily.

I don't need morons at my school who find one place that mysteriously removes the choking cloud of tobacco fog that surrounds them, only to find out later that it was right next to the intake vent for the circulation system.

Fuck yourself up all you want, but when you start putting smoke where I breathe, fuck you.

At 5/26/05 08:32 PM, Elfer wrote: Fuck yourself up all you want, but when you start putting smoke where I breathe, fuck you.

Elequently put. Ive had enough of people saying "oh why don't you go somewhere else if it bothers you" aswell.
NO. YOU go somewhere else! I think it was best said in family guy: "Smoking is a terrible vice! It corrupts our lungs and pollutes our air, and according to recent surveys, air is good"

I am not an avid smoker. But I do indulge occassionally. Personally I'm sick of people always complaining.
"Sir, your smoke is bothering me."
Well its killing me, you have no right to complain.

"Sir you can't do that here"
An infermary is just as good of place as any. Teach 'em young!

"Sir, can't you read the sign, it says no smoking."
Yes I can, can you? That sign signs 'thank you for not smoking' and as I am smoking. I don't expect to be thanked.

At 5/25/05 06:40 PM, LedgendaryLukus wrote: Hey i think people deserve fresh air. If i go to a public place, i dont want to breathe smoke.
People smoke, fair enough. but dont make the rest of us suffer.

Personally i think smoking is a terrible thing altogether but hey, addicts dont care

You are right. When comes to smoking, lots of addicts won't care. But think again, it's not easy to quit smoking, neither is it easy to stop altogether. It takes time to stop these activities.

No FEDERAL ban would be best

Allow the people who run the stores to say whether or not they want smoking there, if they allow smoking and you dont like that DONT GO THERE. Its pretty fucking simple people

At 5/20/05 03:53 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: First smoking, then the blacks, mexicans, and jews, eh?

People can be tried for murder. Cigarettes cannot.

what about smoking other things like your own rolled tobbaco? the smoke produced hasn't been proved to cause any bad symptoms.

with own rolled tobacco they need to do some tests because my friends dad smokes that stuff and he looks terrible. He looks as though he's aged before his time. And even so its still smoking and should be banned in public places like shops and schools. And one more thing, despite the ban on smoking in schools for teachers, half of the bloody kids smoke in there!

At 5/29/05 10:20 PM, LedgendaryLukus wrote:

At 5/26/05 08:32 PM, Elfer wrote: Fuck yourself up all you want, but when you start putting smoke where I breathe, fuck you.

Elequently put. Ive had enough of people saying "oh why don't you go somewhere else if it bothers you" aswell.
NO. YOU go somewhere else! I think it was best said in family guy: "Smoking is a terrible vice! It corrupts our lungs and pollutes our air, and according to recent surveys, air is good"

That IS a good episode. I haven't seen too many replies to the" book" I wrote on page 2 of this topic (actually, I don't see ANY replies), so I'll leave it at that. The point is, smoking gets to a point where it is unavoidable. Smoking is STILL on the rise, despite:

1. Higher taxes on cigs
2. The price floor on cigs being incredibly high
3. the laws against cig advertising through certain media (TV is a good example)
4. All of the information concerning why it is bad for you
5. The increase in deaths via direct smoking or sidestream smoke

Considering that there really aren't too many other solutions for taking smoking habits down a peg, there are really only three things that can result from this problem:

1. There will be so many smokers in this country that the non-smokers eventually become a minority and have to breathe a heavily polluted atmosphere in 20 years.
2. We legislate the unholy shit out of smoking some more. We restrict them to absolutely NO advertising, bring the price floor to the roof, add more taxes to ciggarettes, put information that is in much more detail than the surgeon general's warning on the box, make it a law that the cashier has to tell you every time what a dumbfuck you are, and also pass a law that if you can be identified as one of the 5 little bastards standing outside of my office breathing smoke on me as I'm trying to get to my car, that you have to pay for my funeral if I die of sidestream smoke. And you have to support my family for me.
3. Ban Smoking. Period.

Sidestream smoke isn't just an "annoyance". It fucking kills people. It kills people every day. Because people are too selfish and discourteous to one another, they just think the complainer is an "annoyance". He isn't complaining because he wants to be a prick. He's complaining because he doesn't want to DIE. If you were holding a gun to my head, I'd be just as pissed about that too. It's WORSE if you've quit smoking. "Well just avoid the smoke, then". How fucking stupid do you think we are? Do you honestly think we don't TRY? It's been unavoidable for me ever since I've quit. I've changed friends, jobs, houses, everything about me is different since I've quit smoking, so that I could get out of smelling that stuff anymore. I had to get new clothes, a new office chair, a new lounge chair, hell I replaced half our furniture. You honestly think I don't fucking try to get out of the smoke? You think that after doing all that, that I'm going to go ahead and just shove my face near a lit cig, just to be an ass? Are you fucking insane? Are you hearing yourself? You have to be so absolutely full of yourself to think that your smoking is so damn great that people have to impose upon you. This is a RETALIATION of your IMPOSING upon US. IT doesn't work the other way around, you don't have any moral high ground, and throwing the word "discrimination" around everywhere you go doesn't get one fucking ounce of sympathy from me.

On a sadder note, I saw a post regarding someone who died from quitting. That's sad, it really is. What's even more sad is that it's being used as a reason not to quit. Just absolutely insane. Yes, you need to take it slow. That goes with almost everything. I didn't, and it hurt like hell. Not only that, I can't eat peanut butter M&M's anymore, because I ate too many to sub in for that, but that's besides the point. The point is, that dying from quitting ciggarettes is a perfectly good example of why you should never start. I wish I was as educated on the matter as I am now, but I probably would have still made the same fucking mistake, because I was so damn rebellious with my parents. Regardless, a drug that kills you when you don't take it anymore should be one hell of a warning bell that you shouldn't be smoking, not the other way around.

All in all, the "who should leave the restaurant" argument is a little childish, but sure, I'll retort. The majority of the people in most restaurants are non-smokers. That means that as a whole, non-smokers make up a majority of restaurant revenue. To tell me that these restaurants are actually DEPENDENT upon the smoking community isn't just wrong, it's fucking stupid. McDonald's went under when they enforced no-smoking, huh? Yeah, you hear about it all the time, them restaurants don't allow smoking, so they just disappear....

Um, no, it doesn't work that way, and if you think it does, you're wrong, quite frankly. Like smoking after your meal? Then I've got a meal plan for you. Go to the grocery store, grab some food, and head home. Nobody else but your family will have to put up with your smoke. And unless they smoke themselves, you'll be hearing about it. To say that local economies will fall due to such smoking bans is just outright ridiculous. If ANYTHING, economies will RISE, because you'll be spending less money at the damn restaurant, more money at the grocery store, and still have MORE money left over in your wallet, because grocery shopping and eating at home is cheaper than the restaurant.

Think the non-smokers should leave? Especially in bars? No, they're not making the dumbass decision that you are. You're not allowed to drink excessively, because if you do, you'll get drunk, and affect the lives of others. Smoking doesn't take an excessive amount of time to do that. "Well, if the bartender tells me that, I'll stop going!" Guess what the bartender knows that you don't? There's twice as many people as you waiting outside the bar waiting for it to air out so they can enjoy a beer. It may not be a wise choice for them, but they still represent twice the revenue and zero air pollution. You really think you're going to affect the local economy by not going places? You're going to HELP the economy by not going places. Why in the blue hell do you think businesses are supporting public smoking bans?

At 5/30/05 06:23 PM, 1Shot-Paddy wrote: what about smoking other things like your own rolled tobbaco? the smoke produced hasn't been proved to cause any bad symptoms.

Says who? It's tobacco. Not only that, it's unfiltered tobacco. At what point did you come to the conclusion that it had different tobacco in it than tobacco? I've heard the same shit about cigars. "Cigars are NOT addictive!!" They're a tobacco product! Tobacco has the effects of tobacco. There's no way around that, people!!!! There is no such thing as tobacco-less tobacco!!!

I am a non smoker as well, but I think that doing this is bullshit, it is a person's right to be able to smoke where they want, thats why we have smoking and non smoking sections. Get over it, sometimes we must tolerate things that bother us. If the smoking bothers you that much, then leave the establishment.
As I said I am a non smoker, but I will stand up for smoker's rights, they have a RIGHT to do it in the establishments that allow it.

At 6/1/05 10:46 AM, Thawmus wrote: Says who? It's tobacco. Not only that, it's unfiltered tobacco. At what point did you come to the conclusion that it had different tobacco in it than tobacco? I've heard the same shit about cigars. "Cigars are NOT addictive!!" They're a tobacco product! Tobacco has the effects of tobacco. There's no way around that, people!!!! There is no such thing as tobacco-less tobacco!!!

Actually, real pure tobacco is COMPLETELY different from the shit they sell you in cigarettes.

On the other hand, it's still smoke, so it's gonig to have some negative effects. Last time I checked, people breathe air, not smoke.

Actually, real pure tobacco is COMPLETELY different from the shit they sell you in cigarettes.

On the other hand, it's still smoke, so it's gonig to have some negative effects. Last time I checked, people breathe air, not smoke.

Nicotien is naturaly addictive true that there are some other added preservitives but for the most part the tabaco is still tabaco nomatter what was added to it the tabaco didnt go any where did it?? or am i missing something because i thought when you added something to something else the first thing is still there just not pure.
and i dont think that they should ban smokeing in public owend places like bars resteraunts ect... i think that the choice should be up to the owner of the establisment

here's what I think should happen:
smoking is slowly illegalized. for example, right now none over 18 can smoke. next year, it will be none over 19, the year after that none over 20, and so forth, until smoking is completely illegalized, but those who are hooked can still smoke.
next, tobacco is replaced with marijuanah so that the tobacco companies don't die, and our economy doesn't drop. the same laws for alchahol are applied to marijuanah.

I have grown accustomed to the absence of smoke, and whenever I do encounter it, like I did earlier today walking to class, it really sort of ruins the moment for me. I don't have many friends that smoke, those who do aren't very close friends of mine. In actuality, I have a slight prejudice towards smokers, but it's just me being a retard.

For example, today I told one of my female coworkers that I used to get along with (prior to my statement) that if she smoked. She said yes that she'd stopped for a while and couldn't quit permanently and so on... to which I interrupted and asked her how old she was. She replied that she was 24 to which I shook my head and said "hmm... you should really stop smoking, it makes you look older than you are" causing her jaw to drop and her to say "what the fuck kind of statement was that?"

Needless to say... I felt guilty afterwards, however, that shouldn't suggest that what I said was false, indeed smoking does make people look older, it tarnishes teeth, constricts blood vessels making your skin more wrinkled, etc... I'm sure it's already been discussed in this thread but anyway. I apologized to her later on during the day on about 3 occasions to which she just shook her head smiling with a sarcastic voice saying "whatever." If she doesn't want to forgive me, I could care less I made a mistake, admited it, did my part to try and make amends, my work is done.

I agree, a smoking ban should be left up to the owner of the establishment. If, say, a restaraunt has a smoking section, and it bothers you that much, find another restaraunt. Same goes for smokers; if the place has a ban on it, go somewhere else. It just depends on the business. For one place, the smokers bring in all the business. Another place could be popular because it doesn't allow smoking. Just take your pick of where you'd rather go, it's not that hard. As for worker's rights, nobody is forcing you to work in a smoking establishment, if it really bothers you, there are plenty of jobs where you would never be around the stuff. And banning smoking in parks? That one is just rediculous. You are out in the open! Restaraunts, bars, and parks are about the only places left to go smoke, other than your home. I'm a smoker, and I don't mind not smoking during movies, or shopping, or school or work or whatever else, but does the government really have to take what we have left?

At 6/2/05 06:41 AM, SeacrestOut wrote: I agree, a smoking ban should be left up to the owner of the establishment. If, say, a restaraunt has a smoking section, and it bothers you that much, find another restaraunt. Same goes for smokers; if the place has a ban on it, go somewhere else. It just depends on the business. For one place, the smokers bring in all the business. Another place could be popular because it doesn't allow smoking. Just take your pick of where you'd rather go, it's not that hard. As for worker's rights, nobody is forcing you to work in a smoking establishment, if it really bothers you, there are plenty of jobs where you would never be around the stuff. And banning smoking in parks? That one is just rediculous. You are out in the open! Restaraunts, bars, and parks are about the only places left to go smoke, other than your home. I'm a smoker, and I don't mind not smoking during movies, or shopping, or school or work or whatever else, but does the government really have to take what we have left?

For one, I shouldn't have to endure the displeasure, discomfort, and nausea of walking into an establishment and finding out if there is smoke there. All it takes is one whiff, and BAM! I'm drooling over that guy's cigarrete. That's not fair. I shouldn't have to find out the hard way to find out at all, and that's the way it is slowly turning. I have to walk into a place and endure that to find out that I don't want to be there? Bullshit, that's not a respect of choice in this country. I chose to quit smoking, and I did. But how are you respecting MY choice by blowing smoke at me when I walk in the front door? At least you're still being given a CHOICE in the matter. You can either not smoke, or go home. Pretty simple.

As far as outside is concerned, I have to disagree. Parks are not always a vast open space. And even if they are, unless there is an enormous wind blowing your smoke upward at 100 MPH, I'm going to smell it and breathe it if I'm anywhere around you. And where do smokers usually smoke in parks? Right where everyone else is. I almost laugh when I see a smoker excuse himself from a group of people outside to walk 10 feet away and light up. I ALMOST laugh.....but then I go tap him on the shoulder and let him know that I can smell that shit, I'm a quitter, and he needs to get the hell away from me. I didn't choose to light up, he did. Not only do smokers usually smoke around people, they usually smoke right where everyone needs to pass through. I'll use my example at work for the 3rd time now in this discussion: I see 3 or 4 smokers at the parking lot exit every day, and I can smell that every day when I leave work. They DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE for me to smell that. And guess what? It's outside. But...but...but...outside makes the smoke disappear right..? Wrong. It gets in everything, and it stays there. That's why when I saw some of those little bastards next to my car the other day, I was completely and utterly pissed off.

Sure, nobody is forcing me to work in a smoking establishment. Unfortunately, I'm a Network Administrator. Not a barkeep. At no point when I was training for my certifications did they ask "Are you okay with smoking?". The point being, I don't have a job that is usually associated with smoking, and I DO have a damn family. This isn't a matter of just changing vocations just because I don't want to deal with smoke. This is a matter of getting rid of the possibility as a whole so that I don't have to worry about it every fucking day of the week. As I said in my post on page 2, I shouldn't have to quit my job because of this, but I do have to. And since this hole of a town doesn't have any other IT jobs in it, my family has to move again. That's not fair to them, it's not fair to me, and it most certainly doesn't make me feel sorry for ANY of you smokers who need a drag while you're at work. I used to smoke. I made a choice, I quit. So now I have to pay the penalty because you choose to smoke around me? The reason why smoking needs to be banned in public is simple: It's PUBLIC. It's worse than spitting on people, it's rude, it's obnoxious, and it needs to stay at home. What the hell is wrong with doing this at home? If you honest-to-God can't do this at home, and have to do it in public, then you quite obviously don't have any respect for your own choice in the matter, and need to shut the hell up when discussing your freedom of choice. You gave that up when you lit up. You don't get it back by crying to me about your rights to impose upon mine.

At 6/2/05 05:06 AM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: I have grown accustomed to the absence of smoke, and whenever I do encounter it, like I did earlier today walking to class, it really sort of ruins the moment for me. I don't have many friends that smoke, those who do aren't very close friends of mine. In actuality, I have a slight prejudice towards smokers, but it's just me being a retard.

For example, today I told one of my female coworkers that I used to get along with (prior to my statement) that if she smoked. She said yes that she'd stopped for a while and couldn't quit permanently and so on... to which I interrupted and asked her how old she was. She replied that she was 24 to which I shook my head and said "hmm... you should really stop smoking, it makes you look older than you are" causing her jaw to drop and her to say "what the fuck kind of statement was that?"

Needless to say... I felt guilty afterwards, however, that shouldn't suggest that what I said was false, indeed smoking does make people look older, it tarnishes teeth, constricts blood vessels making your skin more wrinkled, etc... I'm sure it's already been discussed in this thread but anyway. I apologized to her later on during the day on about 3 occasions to which she just shook her head smiling with a sarcastic voice saying "whatever." If she doesn't want to forgive me, I could care less I made a mistake, admited it, did my part to try and make amends, my work is done.

She asks you that question again, tell her "A true one, from someone that would like to see you live a lot longer." This isn't a damn religion, it's a habit! There is no law that says that you can't express concern for someone else's smoking habits. You're not preaching Christianity to them (although that can help, I hear), you're telling them that they need to stop because you care about them. Sure, they'll get all pissy about it (I know I did), and they'll get nasty with you, but if you really care, you'll pull through that with them.

But if you're going to bring up smoking with a female, I'd totally leave age out the door. That will always get nasty.

It should be up to the individual establishment property/business owner, NOT the government.
A dept store for example would most likely ban smoking if not for anything else, for the sake of their merchandise.
A Tavern on the other hand would have its business destroyed by a smoking ban.

At 6/2/05 10:38 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote: It should be up to the individual establishment property/business owner, NOT the government.
A dept store for example would most likely ban smoking if not for anything else, for the sake of their merchandise.
A Tavern on the other hand would have its business destroyed by a smoking ban.

If it were ANYTHING ELSE I would be in complete agreeement with you. However, the market does not reflect air pollution. And since most businesses share the same air as everyone else, leaving it up to one establishment on a downtown block doesn't cut it anymore. The video games store right next to the bar that has been there for 75 years has to relocate because their customers don't want to smell like smoke. Where is their choice in the matter? The smoke doesn't end at the door. You really have to quit smoking, and then smell it for yourself. It gets into far more than you realize. Hell, I didn't think smoke hurt anything until I quit, and then I had to apologize to my wife, because I realized how fucking awful all of my stuff was, including our bed, car, couch, chairs, bedroom, living room, house in general, etc. This isn't the easily-avoidable annoyance that everyone wants to make it out to be.

it should be banned, only in places where it will cause any harm at all to an living being.

At 5/30/05 10:32 AM, taintedhero wrote: No FEDERAL ban would be best

the government cant ban smoking, nor will they ever ban it...its a simple fact...the amount of money that the government makes in terms of taxes on smokes is ginormous(sp) anyways...yah