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[DjLynchmobKillAthens]

ok... i have this thing... where i don't create anything on a computer(by this i mean all pc)... this is because when an artist tends to do this, especial with lack of vocals, there live performance suffers greatly. now i have nothing agains computer generated music... i'm just curious as to weather or not anyone knows any other bands on ng in the electronica, techno, trance, dnb, genra that still relies on old fassion sequencers and shit loads of synthasizers..... watching osme of these guys hands where they play is nuts... most of the time they don't use arpegiators...even though u think they are

[XwaynecoltX]

Interesting

I dont know to much about all that but people like the easy way in most things and like to use the new stuff so that it sounds somewhat different...

~X~

[jobelow]

i kinda go back and forth. for a long time i was making everything completely with a computer, and when i went back to live performance i did notice that i lost my sense of tempo and a lot of technical ability on live instruments, and it took me a while to get back to it.

now i do a lot of stuff completely live, with just guitar, bass, drums, and keyboard, but for other projects i use sequenced gear, namely an electribe s and a and a yamaha rx-8, along with live instruments, and if i use a computer i use it just like i would any other sequenced instrument. other (studio type) projects i do use mostly a computer, with touched up live tracks for stuff like guitar and vocals that would be impossible or sound really crappy if done with a computer.

the pros and cons of each in my opinion are with live instruments you don't have to sit around programming for hours to get a six-minute song laid down, and you get to show off more technical ability, but sequenced instruments have a tighter sound and don't generally make mistakes. the two together can be difficult live, since the sequenced section is not very forgiving of live instruments and sometimes can be difficult to hear if the monitor situation isn't tops. composing completely on a pc is fast and very flexible compared to hardware gear, and you've got a lot more tools at your disposal per dollar, but sometimes that lack of limitation gets in the way of creativity. i always find that things you write tend to be better if you've got limitations to work around. to get around that, a lot of the time i'll use very limited programs or musical formats, like nerd tracker or a 4-or 8- channel tracker with very few built in effects, or a really simple soft synth, like fx modular or simsynth.

and i did my first all digital music completely in cooledit 96, which meant i had to figure out all the rhythm and timing myself in fractions of a second instead of beats and steps, which made for some interesting stuff.

[Psybot]

check out my stuff.

i dont use arpeggiators.. because i think it sux...

but neway.. check it out

[Erkie]

Live Instruments = Flexibility.
PC Based = Straight and Bland.

Otherwise, today, everything relies on a PC, it'll be rare to find anyone using raw studio equipment unless it's a physical studio for recording.

[monkeybullman]

I use good old fashioned hardware:)

[Pandora-Tranquil]

bland my ass, it jus takes somone who is good with computers to make origional cool stuff.

[DjLynchmobKillAthens]

see the thing with the new was is that everyone does it and it all sounds the same... like my shit.. cuz no one does it like us anymore... is always being told its different and original...even if they hate the song....

[Chronamut]

At 5/21/05 04:46 PM, DjLynchmobKillAthens wrote: see the thing with the new was is that everyone does it and it all sounds the same... like my shit.. cuz no one does it like us anymore... is always being told its different and original...even if they hate the song....

I make stuff with just a computer and I wouldnt necessarilt call it "sounding the same"...

[Erkie]

It's a genre that requires the same drumsets, synths, and organizations. And it all happens to be the lowest quality. Thats why it sucks.

[Pandora-Tranquil]

idk wtf ur talkin about, one of my swede friends makes nothing but computerized music and hes going to be a professional (currently looking for a record label)

[SpamWarrior]

At 5/21/05 09:32 PM, Erkie wrote: It's a genre that requires the same drumsets, synths, and organizations. And it all happens to be the lowest quality. Thats why it sucks.

So where'd the difference be with a live recording? You would probably have better control over the exact sounds of each drum, but synths can be used live, on pc, and as for organizations, i dont get you. Given enough time and instrument samples, i could write an orchestral piece, including the classical, out of time transitions, and irregular tempo changes.

Sure, more flexibility to get a sweeter volume, but if you say, used FL then use wavelab or acid, you can decently adjust volume levels.

To go on a bit of a tangent, does anyone else see "hardware" instruments, ie, REAL instruments disappearing in favour of multi tone synthesisers (ie KEYBOARDS) ? I can see it happening, as soon as the samples are good enough. Currently low end keyboard samples sound shite and bland on their own, and lacking character, but i heard a korg sample, and i thought someone was taking the piss. It sounded like their was a piano in the room next to me, as opposed to the piano in the distance that is my 89 quid yamaha.

So yeah, anyway. I'm reasoning that in the future, real instruments will be a thing of the past, so it'll all be software + synthesisers anyway. Bit of a shame, means there'll be no music when there's power cuts.