God or Science?

[bajskorvv]

What do you belive in (science or religion) and why? Is there really a god? If god created the world, Who created god?

[the-space-pope]

i beleive that there is an answer to everything, like god made the sky blue I hate things like that because i know that there is a better answer, the true answer is because its the ways the layers of our ozone interact, but im not here to bore you, God and science are mrotal enimies, religion claims that it is being defaced by science and science claims that the church is missleading people, in truth science can't explain everything and religion takes advantages of that, its like bully vs. a not as big kid, the bully can be thought fo as that church, claiming that they are gith and picking fun at science and takign advantage fo its weak points, science tries to defend itself and can use logic better so in turn science will one day find out the answere that how the universe was created and put an end to this rivalry, for if there is no god there will be no point in having a church, simple as that

[VerseChorusVerse]

At 5/16/05 04:40 PM, gg92 wrote: What do you belive in (science or religion) and why? Is there really a god? If god created the world, Who created god?

I believe that true religion and true science complement each other. But I believe that God was not created because He is all-powerful; how could an all-powerful being be created? That would suggest that His creator is more powerful than He is. In other words, I believe that God's existence is eternal... He had no beginning.

[the-space-pope]

At 5/16/05 04:47 PM, VerseChorusVerse wrote:

At 5/16/05 04:40 PM, gg92 wrote: What do you belive in (science or religion) and why? Is there really a god? If god created the world, Who created god?

I believe that true religion and true science complement each other. But I believe that God was not created because He is all-powerful; how could an all-powerful being be created? That would suggest that His creator is more powerful than He is. In other words, I believe that God's existence is eternal... He had no beginning.

thats were things get edgy this all powerfull thing is odd because everything starts somewhere and how is he just, there.

[Jizzlebang]

there is something bigger out there but its not controlling our moves and neither created the earth...

i think its all science

[VerseChorusVerse]

At 5/16/05 04:49 PM, the_space_pope wrote: thats were things get edgy this all powerfull thing is odd because everything starts somewhere and how is he just, there.

There are some things hat exist beyond the realm of human understanding. In my opinion, the supernatural is different but just as important as the natural. It's difficult for us to grasp concepts like "eternity", but that doesn't make the idea invalid.

[Maus]

What about both?

[Peter-II]

Although I'm agnostic, I do believe there is a higher being.

I reckon a bit of both.

[S-W-A-R-M-generation]

grimport, well said

[byrd798]

God created everything scientificly so we still would not have solid proof of his existince. then we would love him thru faith not greed.

[nyiddle]

Although I don't exactly see what this has to do with politics, I'm going to answer anyway;
I believe more in science than God, although I have no way of proving this. I truly don't believe in any religion, not to be one of those annoying kids who think they're atheist/goth. I think that humans just needed a person/thing they could look up to and ask guidance and everything from. Plus, we have more evidence when it comes to science. But there are still many un-answered questions about how the world began.
So science, is my answer.

[capn-g]

Science is man's word for God's work, the idea that the two should conflict is ludicrous. Only man-made contrivences like dogma and doctrine interfere.

[CapnSlapjack]

I dunno i think that its all science. I mean i do think that there could be a possibility of a god but in the end when i die and there is no god i wont be suprized

[War-Weary-Lord]

its all in belief, values, and ur experiences... personally I put 1 and 1 together and got the reason for existence, and the same process could take care of many of the issues in our daily lives

[MrTrivia]

I can use simple logic to disprove the Christian view of God. Nobody's perfect, and even the Greek Gods had their faults, but according to dogma, God is infallible. That means that God is not an almighty being. Personally, I believe the word God is an acronym, standing for Great Operating Digits, which means God is a mathematic formula. Just like stocks follow a noticeable pattern that follows a mathematic formula, the entire world also follows a pattern. This means that God and Science are perfectly compatible.

[VerseChorusVerse]

At 5/16/05 06:33 PM, mr_trivia wrote: I can use simple logic to disprove the Christian view of God. Nobody's perfect, and even the Greek Gods had their faults, but according to dogma, God is infallible. That means that God is not an almighty being.

You claim to disprove our view of God by comparing Him to pagan deities?

Personally, I believe the word God is an acronym, standing for Great Operating Digits, which means God is a mathematic formula.

Is this a joke, or are you being serious?

[MembrsOfBushWhackers]

At 5/16/05 04:40 PM, gg92 wrote: What do you belive in (science or religion)

Science.

and why?

I choose fact over faith.

Is there really a god?

No.

If god created the world, Who created god?

Idiots.

[capn-g]

At 5/16/05 06:41 PM, MembrsOfBushWhackers wrote:
I choose fact over faith.

Tht's fairly logical but it's worth remembering that science is only the sum total of what we believe to be true at any given time. A few hundred years ago it was a "fact" that the earth was flat and the sun, moon and stars revolved around it. Now we know better but our current understanding could still be wrong in other ways. Food for thought.

[Mecanique]

Neither.
Science was just another pitiful try to answer to our big questions. It has only succeding in bringing water and Internet at home. (Quite a feat, I reckon, but still not worth my faith.)
God is is juste another try to confort ourselves, in a gray world.
Quite awe-inspiring, but still not worth my faith.

...Let's say I believe in food.

[the-space-pope]

At 5/16/05 06:41 PM, MembrsOfBushWhackers wrote:

At 5/16/05 04:40 PM, gg92 wrote: What do you belive in (science or religion)

Science.

and why?

I choose fact over faith.

Is there really a god?

No.

If god created the world, Who created god?

Idiots.

so true god is nothing mroe than a image that people have created to compfort themselfs that they are safe etc. this also comes from idiots that say aliens built the great wall of china and the pyramids, humans can accomplish great things

[the-space-pope]

At 5/16/05 06:36 PM, VerseChorusVerse wrote:

At 5/16/05 06:33 PM, mr_trivia wrote: I can use simple logic to disprove the Christian view of God. Nobody's perfect, and even the Greek Gods had their faults, but according to dogma, God is infallible. That means that God is not an almighty being.

You claim to disprove our view of God by comparing Him to pagan deities?

Personally, I believe the word God is an acronym, standing for Great Operating Digits, which means God is a mathematic formula.

Is this a joke, or are you being serious?

its jackasses liek you that make this world a bad place, you go off to other countries, "offering" food, shelter, etc. to people by callign yourselfs missionaires but you just want to make your hateful religion infect the world, look at your comandments, "you shall not have false gods before me" WTF is that????? that is saying that any religion with more than one god is wromng!!!!!!!!!!! you hateful bastard! i hope you go to hell

[asdfrasdfg]

Science.

With extra God added!

Basically, my belief is this. Everyone knows about the big bang and the creation of the universe and all that stuff. Well, how the hell did it happen? It just seems inconcievable to just have one tiny, tiny little particle of nothing explode into all of this great and absolute mass.
My theory: There is a being, but he only did one thing. He created the big bang and time. Einsteins theory of realitivity? It is greatly having to do with time and the universe. Basically, everything falls on a certain time plain, and everything creates a bend in it and blah blah everyone knows this. So how would this time plane even exist? God, of course.

Yes, my theory is full of holes. If Einstiens theory is off, then mine is gone as well. It's just something I tend to believe, until science can come up with a better explanation as to the creation of the universe.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 5/16/05 04:40 PM, gg92 wrote: What do you belive in (science or religion) and why? Is there really a god? If god created the world, Who created god?

I believe in both, but if I had to choose between theocracy or scientism, I would choose theocracy.

God is beyond your pitiful understanding. Or mine. Or anybody's. Only God has the power to understand him.

[MoralLibertarian]

Religion doesn't change, but science does from generation to generation.

[asdfrasdfg]

At 5/16/05 08:37 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Religion doesn't change, but science does from generation to generation.

I tend to think both get added on to as time goes by. Like we had some basic scientific meathods way back in time, but today we have some things that go off of these ideas. Such as the sun/earth relationship. Over time it has slowly evolved into what it is now with more research. Just the more research you put into something, the more you understand.

It's the same way with both religion and science. So that's why I like my theory :P

[totalwar]

thats easy! science. why? cause science, once it knows all the facts, is always right. it uses those facts to back its opinion and changes said opinion when new facts appear. religion (going mostly off christianity here) bases its opinion on a book written nearly 2000 years ago with a goal of gaining converts. gee which of those sounds more reliable? toughy huh?

[Pre-K-Prostitute]

Omg, dude. You just know this thread is gonna end in a jihadic flame war. Well, BBS immolation is always fun! *pulls up chair, grabs popcorn and soda*

[totalwar]

Oh! And as for the whole what created the universe thing. The big bang. Where did that come from? Parallel universe. Where did it come from our universe. Its cyclical. Read a little about string theory (it would take far to long to explain and im too lazy to type it all) and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Happy moral_libertarian? I'm capitalizing. ass.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 5/16/05 08:54 PM, totalwar wrote: thats easy! science. why? cause science, once it knows all the facts, is always right. it uses those facts to back its opinion and changes said opinion when new facts appear. religion (going mostly off christianity here) bases its opinion on a book written nearly 2000 years ago with a goal of gaining converts. gee which of those sounds more reliable? toughy huh?

Dude. Science is a practice. It's not an ideology or a way of looking at life. There is no absolute truth in science either. It changes. Religion does not.

Why does there have to be a choice between the two? Science and religion have specific roles that cannot be mixed. If you start looking to science for answers to the universe or for spirituality, you get fucked up shit like Margaret Sanger, the Lysenko Affair, and Post-Mao China. It's scientism. When you start looking to religion to solve scientific problems, you get right-wing Dominionists, the Catholic Church sentencing Galileo, etc. They work best when combined.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 5/16/05 09:02 PM, totalwar wrote: Happy moral_libertarian? I'm capitalizing. ass.

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