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Posted at: 6/4/02 11:01 PM

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At 6/4/02 09:59 PM, TechnoWS wrote: I can't beleive this. They've been saying it for months now but it's really happening. The internet is for information (that's why it was called at one point, the Information Super-Highway) I love freedom of speech, not just on the internet but also in other forms of media. All I have to say is be careful, and fight for your rights!!! (to party ^_^)

look man all I saying is i hate the FBI and agree with Tom the internet should not be used like this


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Thats total crap! how can you have a jurisdiction of a strim of information that it is possable that it didnt origante 500 miles from thier physical location.


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At 6/4/02 07:33 PM, zimzap wrote:
At 6/4/02 05:42 PM, losinglife wrote: what are you a fuckin facist (spelling ) come on now... there are basic freedoms and one of them is to express your fuckin opinion and ideas... so your sayin if you had an idea of how to blow up your local supermarket and you posted it online jsut for whatever reason .. lets say so other pple could give you feedback ... and say you had planned to take this info to your supermarket to help the establishment but somehow lets say "forgot" to post that part online and the fbi say it and busted you ... you would be fuckin happy about that???? (all hypethetical to prove a point)

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU ... you have every RIGHT to post you idea on how to do anything regardless of what it is... its if you act upon that idea is the problem...

hence i say everyday everyoen should fuckin die... but you dont see me goin around killing everyone.. no..

you my friend do not even belong on this earth.
pple like you are why everyone is pissed off all the time.

YOU MOTHER FUCKER DIDNT LOSE ANYONE IN A TERRORIST ATTACK SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH KID.

first off i am not a kid... second of all how the FUCK do you know if i lost someone or not... 3rd of all pple fuckin die everyday DEAL WITH IT ....

fuckin socialist....


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"needed to pay for the fighter jets scrambled to patrol the baseball game just in case there might be terrorists...


Basically the whole thing is ridiculous. We dont need fighter jets to patrol sporting events 'just in case' nor do we need the fbi to waste time and money patrolling the internet 'just in case'"

Really! what are they going to do? blow the whole stadium away with the missiles on the fighters just to kill one terrorist down there or a suicider on a kamakazi jet, bus, or other large personell transportation device? that just totally defeats the whole purpose of 'protecting' us. like what? would it kill less people to do that or let the terrorist go and do it? GO BACK TO YOUR MR/LD CLASS U GOVENRMENT FREAKS!!!


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how do you go from monitoring terrorist activities (FBI activity) to levying email fees? (a congressional requirement)

give me a break, and go watch xfiles, you freak.


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At 6/5/02 01:27 AM, Thorfalcon wrote: how do you go from monitoring terrorist activities (FBI activity) to levying email fees? (a congressional requirement)

give me a break, and go watch xfiles, you freak.

I'm illustrating where it may lead. More government agencies will be online. We can already file taxes, register to vote, and print legal documents online. I don't think there is a fee for any of these yet.

U.S. history has shown us how we don't have any absolute rights. Freedom of Speech - we can't slander someone publically in truth. Right to bear arms, there is a waiting period; if your reason to get the gun was for immediate protection, you can kiss that good bye. Some states don't even live up to that right, unless you are in a militia. The FBI going to the internet is another limit that burdens our right to speak freely. You have to look at a broader picture. The U.S. Government wants its hands all over the internet. So do some states, but mainly for revenue. People think that there are viruses and solicitation that needs to stop by government control. People think life will be better when the government controls the internet. They can pay their taxes, download anti-virus software, block "illegal" solicited e-mails, remove pornography, remove terrorist content, and all of the rest of the bullshit. What some people don't realize is the government is not needed in this area. We don't need the FBI snooping around and picking our words apart. We don't need more limits.


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I think everyone who is worrying about there freedom for some reason has a problem with our government stepping in and trying to prevent further attacks. If they can prevent 1 person dying by deleting 1000 web sites and gettign people angry for a while then I say its worth it. Just think freedom of speech cant help WHEN YOUR FUCKING DEAD!

And If your worried about your idol talk might be investigated by the FBI then let me tell you this. If a 13 year old reads your post and know your joking, I think FBI personel can deal with it just as a joke.


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Ok I guess I over estimated more then half of your IQs. If you don't like the FBI, get the fuck out of our country and live in some trash country.

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At 6/4/02 01:46 AM, alienature wrote: The U.S. Government was designed to protect our liberties. Congress makes laws allowing the Federal Government to protect our liberties, but how far does it go? The FBI now has authority to go into chat rooms, message boards, websites, etc, and look for terrorist content. This was brought up over the weekend. I was surfing around for some info and found a CNN article.

Be aware of history in the making. What's the worst that could happen? Government involvement could escalate into Federal/state online sales fees, FCC fees (previously enforced, but removed), federal email fees (I heard the postal service wanted that), and our right to speak freely. Once they have their foot in the door, it's not going to go away very easily. Ashcroft mentions how a 12 year old can look on the internet for terrorist content, why not the FBI? Well, A 12 year old can't throw you in jail for posting potential terrorist plans. I realize that you probably wouldn't post that, but realize that you could have done something like that if you wanted to, even for satirical purposes.

We can all look back and remember how cool the internet was, where we could publicize toons that impact people, say "no" to virtually anyone, escape from daily troubles, and become entertained. I understand that the FBI wants to prevent terrorist acts from happening, but this new freedom on the internet that we have been enjoying for years is something that I don't want regulated at all. How about you? Do I sound too hyped up? ooooo aliens and the government and Armageddon.

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ummmmmm whoops didn't mean to do that


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At 6/5/02 05:17 PM, zimzap wrote: Ok I guess I over estimated more then half of your IQs. If you don't like the FBI, get the fuck out of our country and live in some trash country.

ewww good come back from the communist gallery... hey if you dont like our rights as humans you can go live in some trashy country ... that isnt this one..


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At 6/5/02 05:17 PM, zimzap wrote: Ok I guess I over estimated more then half of your IQs. If you don't like the FBI, get the fuck out of our country and live in some trash country.

oh yeah and by the way there zimfuck if you would actually take the time to READ any of this you would see that it has nothing to do with liking or disliking the fbi... they have a job and they do it and i am pretty sure everyone is glad to some degree for them.... but its when the head honjos pull moves like these that get everyone riled up.. not at the FBI but at the law itself. So before you make comments about other pples IQ's you might want to get some knowledge yourself so you dont come across as moronic as those in charge.

but then again everyone is entitled to there own opinion so i cant really complain


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I can't believe people are suprised with this. It's old news. It's the slow stranglehold the american government has been putting on it's citizens for decades. what do you think abbie hoffman was so pissed off about in the 60's? I think the only real issue here is wether or not the average american prefers the restriction. You see all these people screaming injustice, but when you pose a solution, all you get is a blank stare. The word socialism has more than four letters in it. But even now in 2002 people automatically think I'm an "evil fascist" when I talk of socialist reform. the amount of knowledge the internet provides for us in the modern age should percipitate a civilized, well educated populus. but all we do is look at porn and make cartoons. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course. Im all for porn and cartoons, I'm just trying to get the point across that we should know and protect the basic foundation our country was forged on...FREEDOM.


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It's about time that people wake up and see this shit -

It's been going on for a while, and - AS LONG AS EVERYONE SITS BACK, LETS IT HAPPEN - AND DOES NOT COMPLAIN - it will KEEP ON HAPPENING.

Does anyone remember those "Un-American bastards who held a Peace march in Washington" a while back - on 4/20/02 because they are all Neo-Nazis, Anti-Semetic, and Potheads?

Well, they weren't "Un-American" - they were more American than most - They know what the United States of America is all about - it's about the People, not the Government. A great man said - (paraphrased)
"One who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither liberty, nor security." - this man helped forge the United States of America. The Bush Administration is killing our rights - they are wiping their asses with OUR CONSTITUTION - Yours and Mine. Of the people, For the people, by the people. These are bastards who are screwing with our rights - and they need to be stopped. Write your congresspersons and reps. It's unacceptable.

And you know what? I'm a terrorist for suggesting that you question your government. Anyone who is a "threat" to the administration is a terrorist. Your free speech, and mine, will be dead soon unless EVERYONE acts up now.

I applaud you for having the guts to post that on your front page.

At 6/4/02 01:46 AM, alienature wrote: The U.S. Government was designed to protect our liberties. Congress makes laws allowing the Federal Government to protect our liberties, but how far does it go? The FBI now has authority to go into chat rooms, message boards, websites, etc, and look for terrorist content. This was brought up over the weekend. I was surfing around for some info and found a CNN article.

Be aware of history in the making. What's the worst that could happen? Government involvement could escalate into Federal/state online sales fees, FCC fees (previously enforced, but removed), federal email fees (I heard the postal service wanted that), and our right to speak freely. Once they have their foot in the door, it's not going to go away very easily. Ashcroft mentions how a 12 year old can look on the internet for terrorist content, why not the FBI? Well, A 12 year old can't throw you in jail for posting potential terrorist plans. I realize that you probably wouldn't post that, but realize that you could have done something like that if you wanted to, even for satirical purposes.

We can all look back and remember how cool the internet was, where we could publicize toons that impact people, say "no" to virtually anyone, escape from daily troubles, and become entertained. I understand that the FBI wants to prevent terrorist acts from happening, but this new freedom on the internet that we have been enjoying for years is something that I don't want regulated at all. How about you? Do I sound too hyped up? ooooo aliens and the government and Armageddon.

In other news: Play WRATH II if you haven't yet. You get to play God and kill angels (not recommended in the game). I only got to level 4, but I could feel the power flowing through me.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I am sad to say that I live in a country where I am afraid to speak my mind for fear of harassment by the goverment, lawyers, and corporations. So much for "freedom"


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Protesting is a good idea, but the government is still going to monitor us even if we do speak out. People are supposed to have the power in the US, but when it comes down to it, we can't do shit against the government. Everyday people don't run this country, politicians and beaurocrats do, and that's how its always been. Unless we revolt or something like we did against Britain, nothing is going to happen. Revolution is crazy though, especially if it's planned out by a bunch of asshole kids on NG's. Face it, we can complain all we want, but it won't get us anywhere. If anything it WILL get us sent to jail.

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I most certainly hope I am not blowing wind out my ass with this next bit.

‘Grim determination wins the war’. I don’t want you to doubt that. I want you to think about the war in question. I’m not talking about Afghans. Not talking about al-Quaeda. I am talking about your ability to think as free men.

There is this notion—false notion—that he who dies with the most toys, wins. There is this equally false notion that he who has the most guns, most planes, most sophisticated armament, wins. Not so. Definitely not so.

But see, there is something that has been lost in my country. That something is the idea there is such a thing as “Truth”, and it is worth fighting for. Worth dying for. And the truth is no way intrinsically connected to toys, guns or planes. It never was.

In eleven more days, I will be 34 years old. That marks 15 years since I attended art school. 15 years since I made the stupidest error of politics of my life and tried attending a United States fully-accredited art college simultaneously as a reservist of the United States Marine Corps Reserves, 4th Combat Engineer Battalion, Hamlet and Chesley Avenues, Baltimore, Maryland. That unit has since been effectively decommissioned.

See, I didn’t know what “leftism” was back then. Didn’t know what “rightism” was. All I knew is I wanted to defend my country—and, I loved art. And I still love art. But I left that art college after only one year. Not in disgrace, but not happily, either. I was not liked there, to put it plain—and, after a year, I was sick of the bullshit. I was there to learn art and to do art. Not to learn feminism. Not to learn atheism. Not to learn to be a straight member of a homosexual colony. Not to go back to smoking the same drugs I smoked in highschool, and later gave up from boredom—and perhaps gave up feeling a bit of shame about my chemical habits.

I spent a couple of years thinking about that art school afterwards. Thinking about the treatment I received while there for one year. That’s something to feel real shame about—although none on my part.

Yet, even as I say this, I temper what I say—because I want you to temper what you think.

I want you to think about what is going on with populist causes of every stripe—not just with Muslim Marxists in Afghanistan or in the Philippines, but about the whole appeal of a leader getting up and preaching “virtue” to a bunch of people who are already too eager to kill themselves—and others—in the name of virtue. I want you to think if zero-tolerance really and truly is what you want your kids believing. Maybe it is—but then again, maybe the answers come a little better when they come a little slower.

I come to Newgrounds because there is a bit of levity, here. A bit of humor, here. I might not do humor as well as the other people on this site—but that’s O.K., I enjoy their contribution. I don’t feel there’s any real threat of censorship just yet. But I do get a little worried about people’s attitudes. Where it’s O.K. to substitute anger in place of thought—no, that’s not O.K. Where it’s O.K. to pick on small stuff instead of realizing the greater blessing of having an open forum to say what you mean in the words of your choosing—no, it’s not OK to be tedious or petty when freedoms are at stake; it’s not O.K. to disregard the opportunity to say what you mean, nor to disregard the men providing that opportunity at no cost to you.

Being tedious and petty has nothing to do with the Truth.

That’s the end of my speech. Consider it. Ponder it. Maybe get and start reading a book while you’re at it. That much would mark a considerable change in this American generation. A change for the better.

I hope I am not tossing pearls before swine.

Because if I am—if I become convinced of such—this practice will cease immediately.


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Hey everyone Look at the plot of Deus EX if you want to see where this is all going(somewhat)The guy did some studying. If you were worried about the shadow government then look out: today was it's inception.


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Finally AMERICANS OPEN YOUR EYES! THIS SHIT HAS ALREADY BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE 70ies!!!!!!! EVERY DAY YOUR GOVERMENT ROBBS YOU OF YOU RIGHTS! THIS SHIT DOES`NT JUST HAPPEN IN THE STATES BUT IN AUSTRALIA ; NEW ZEELAND AND EUROPE WITH OTHERS! WITH THE ECHELON SYSTEM THE NSA HAS BEEN WACTHING YOU E-MAILS, LISTENING TO YOUR PHONE-CALLS, REGISTERED YOUR DOWLLOADS,,,,YOU NAME IT!!! THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME AND ITS TIME FOR THE TROUTH TO COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS!!!!!

READ MORE AT http://www.iptvreports.mcmail.com/interception_capabilities_2000.htm

AND
http://www.cipherwar.com/info/tools/echelon_faq.htm

I HOPE I AM NOT TO LATE!!!!!!!!


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It seems that the government will try to screw us in any way possible. We have to make some changes to keep our freedoms.

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I feel that the most important thing to do is to become active. The reason most people don't think they can do anything to change the government is because we have been convinced that we are powerless. That is not true. If we really want to change something we have to gather together and become complete pricks about anything we don't like. If you fight them to the death about the small stuff they will think twice about the big stuff.


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personally, i dont see it happening... the internet is a world-wide thing, why should the american government have complete authority over what is published on the internet? sure, let the FBI check through stuff on the net, its allowed, anyone can look at anythin they want on the internet (more or less) cos the point of it is that its a tool of the public... no point having free speech, if no one can hear you. sure, let the FBI use that as evidence in their investigations... if its a valid claim, they're allwoed to do that too. But they can't and shouldn't be able to prevent people posting whatever the hell they want on the internet. What right have they over what someone, for instance, over here in England, wants to say and publish on the internet? Thats the english government's problem.

ignore me, ive probably got it all wrong.


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At 6/11/02 01:30 PM, random_scribble wrote: personally, i dont see it happening... the internet is a world-wide thing, why should the american government have complete authority over what is published on the internet? sure, let the FBI check through stuff on the net, its allowed, anyone can look at anythin they want on the internet (more or less) cos the point of it is that its a tool of the public... no point having free speech, if no one can hear you. sure, let the FBI use that as evidence in their investigations... if its a valid claim, they're allwoed to do that too. But they can't and shouldn't be able to prevent people posting whatever the hell they want on the internet. What right have they over what someone, for instance, over here in England, wants to say and publish on the internet? Thats the english government's problem.

ignore me, ive probably got it all wrong.

The government has ways to block only U.S> sites. Like I mentioned before, countries like France and China's government already block a bunch of material from its people.


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At 6/7/02 12:32 PM, Nervs wrote: Finally AMERICANS OPEN YOUR EYES! THIS SHIT HAS ALREADY BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE 70ies!!!!!!! EVERY DAY YOUR GOVERMENT ROBBS YOU OF YOU RIGHTS! THIS SHIT DOES`NT JUST HAPPEN IN THE STATES BUT IN AUSTRALIA ; NEW ZEELAND AND EUROPE WITH OTHERS! WITH THE ECHELON SYSTEM THE NSA HAS BEEN WACTHING YOU E-MAILS, LISTENING TO YOUR PHONE-CALLS, REGISTERED YOUR DOWLLOADS,,,,YOU NAME IT!!! THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME AND ITS TIME FOR THE TROUTH TO COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS!!!!!

READ MORE AT http://www.iptvreports.mcmail.com/interception_capabilities_2000.htm

AND
http://www.cipherwar.com/info/tools/echelon_faq.htm

I HOPE I AM NOT TO LATE!!!!!!!!

All this has been in the repub's plan since Nixon; take away our rights, and get rich. Bu$h has stayed true to the party ideals in droppin the 9/11 ball on purpose so the blind can rally around the flag and support him fully, as he and the rest of the crooks in washington take away our rights. Enron just secured the financial freedom, so they can run the next time w/out a capital problem. Hell, there might have been enough $ left from the Enron pile to finance the 9/11 kamikaze/mass murder. Either way, the select few to get that insider tip on when to buy and sell Enron stock, or the people that just outright robbed people of jobs, security, and livelihood, will retire to somplace nice or, just run for office again. And the funny thing is we the American people will elect the embodiment of avarice. Soon they will have the world as they want it, a flock of unarmed sheep with them as the shepards, and their armies as their staff and watchdog.

Socialism never failed, it was the avarice of man that failed, and it continues to fail today, until our "free/capitalistic society" becomes a multityrant rule of fear, where the rich and powerful can do as they wish, why we the people work as slaves (or a nicer term for the disbelievers: Public Servants).

With the way all the reform (national ID card movement, Identity theft, constant firearms control issues, terrorist threats ect.) is going it won't belong before all of us, or even just immigrants or convicts, will have GPS-ID microchips implanted. The tyrants in washington will problably even sell the idea to the public, on that you can use it as a secure credit card and keyring as well, and these 33% of dumb sheep will support the measure.

Back to the point of the topic, or what I gathered as the point; ALL EVIDENCE GATHERED BY THE FBI NOT RELATING TO TERROIST ATTACKS SHOULD BE INADMISSABLE IN COURT. Basically the key thing in use of this aquired evidence should be intent to harm. If the "Terrorist" is planing to do harm to anyone, then they can use it.

Basically what I am upset with is the potential to use these tatics to gather more information to put more people in jail for illeagal drugs. Their are already enough people in jail for drugs and it doesn't help them cause you can still get drugs in jail.


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At 6/4/02 01:46 AM, alienature wrote: The U.S. Government was designed to protect our liberties. Congress makes laws allowing the Federal Government to protect our liberties, but how far does it go? The FBI now has authority to go into chat rooms, message boards, websites, etc, and look for terrorist content. This was brought up over the weekend. I was surfing around for some info and found a CNN article.
SO!............
Be aware of history in the making. What's the worst that could happen? Government involvement could escalate into Federal/state online sales fees, FCC fees (previously enforced, but removed), federal email fees (I heard the postal service wanted that), and our right to speak freely. Once they have their foot in the door, it's not going to go away very easily. Ashcroft mentions how a 12 year old can look on the internet for terrorist content, why not the FBI? Well, A 12 year old can't throw you in jail for posting potential terrorist plans. I realize that you probably wouldn't post that, but realize that you could have done something like that if you wanted to, even for satirical purposes.

We can all look back and remember how cool the internet was, where we could publicize toons that impact people, say "no" to virtually anyone, escape from daily troubles, and become entertained. I understand that the FBI wants to prevent terrorist acts from happening, but this new freedom on the internet that we have been enjoying for years is something that I don't want regulated at all. How about you? Do I sound too hyped up? ooooo aliens and the government and Armageddon.

In other news: Play WRATH II if you haven't yet. You get to play God and kill angels (not recommended in the game). I only got to level 4, but I could feel the power flowing through me.

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I agree wit the person that worte the artical. The FBI has a system, that if u say a certin word on any means of communtcation the system will lock onto the signal and listen to waht u r saying for as long as they want.
I think that alot of people agree that it is a invasion of privice and will limit the freedom on the web. Yes i see that it was made for the good of the people but if u r talking about a completly diffrent topic and u say one of those words, they know have the "right" to listin sorry i disagree. i think it's wrong. don't get me wrong if it protects us yes use it but in this case it should be limited to just seram people. that is all i had to say
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