FBI on the Internet

[JeremyLokken]

The U.S. Government was designed to protect our liberties. Congress makes laws allowing the Federal Government to protect our liberties, but how far does it go? The FBI now has authority to go into chat rooms, message boards, websites, etc, and look for terrorist content. This was brought up over the weekend. I was surfing around for some info and found a CNN article.

Be aware of history in the making. What's the worst that could happen? Government involvement could escalate into Federal/state online sales fees, FCC fees (previously enforced, but removed), federal email fees (I heard the postal service wanted that), and our right to speak freely. Once they have their foot in the door, it's not going to go away very easily. Ashcroft mentions how a 12 year old can look on the internet for terrorist content, why not the FBI? Well, A 12 year old can't throw you in jail for posting potential terrorist plans. I realize that you probably wouldn't post that, but realize that you could have done something like that if you wanted to, even for satirical purposes.

We can all look back and remember how cool the internet was, where we could publicize toons that impact people, say "no" to virtually anyone, escape from daily troubles, and become entertained. I understand that the FBI wants to prevent terrorist acts from happening, but this new freedom on the internet that we have been enjoying for years is something that I don't want regulated at all. How about you? Do I sound too hyped up? ooooo aliens and the government and Armageddon.

In other news: Play WRATH II if you haven't yet. You get to play God and kill angels (not recommended in the game). I only got to level 4, but I could feel the power flowing through me.

[Thegreatnick]

In other news: Play WRATH II if you haven't yet. You get to play God and kill angels (not recommended in the game). I only got to level 4, but I could feel the power flowing through me.

some of the passwords are as follows: Level 5, Good Sephered (I think that's how you spell it) Level 6,Judgement, where you get to fight SATAN (Hint: use an angel of death on him)
Please click on my profile

[jman66]

I agree... Why is it that when we 'fight for our freedom' we never win any freedom back? Like the freedom to go to an airport and get on a plane without being anally probed just incase you might have a weapon... Think we'll ever be able to go back to the day when you can get on a commercial flight with minimal searching?...doubtful...

'Terrorism' is just an excuse for those in power to get more of it. We had a few incidents and now all of the sudden they have to take away our freedom to 'protect' us.

It's all just a bunch of bull. I say let these so called terrorists try to attack again... we all could use a little danger in our lives, keeps people smart and on their toes instead of this lifeless sheltered society where the government protects its people from themselves...where we are all headed.

The real Terrorists are those who gradually eat away at our freedom.

[cockaloid]

Ya, you are over reacting. The F.B.I. regulates whats going on in the US. Ya the F.B.I. is a powerful influence in other countries but for the most part it's pretty much centralized here in the US, and the internet is world wide. And besides, why would you really care if the F.B.I. was searching for terrorist activity on the net? I have a lot more to say, but I'm just too tired right now to put it all down. Just a thought that I thought I'd pass along.

[cockaloid]

At 6/4/02 03:39 AM, jman66 wrote: The real Terrorists are those who gradually eat away at our freedom.

How is your freedom being gradually eaten away? Because you have to wait thirty extra minuites to get on a damn plane? That just doesn't make any sense. Please elaborate on this.

[Tirwin]

I agree, no one wants to have to wait in a line to be checked after having been watched by cops, had everything put into crap bags, and having to wait for hours on end. They should just gt giant human scanners, if their metal detector things worked in the first place then we wouldnt be in this mess. Lets face it, what are we gonna do now, stab them with the plastic food knifes?!?!?....... OF COURSE NO!... they are the best tasting thing on flights.

And they say they 'caught' that guy with the bomb in his shoe, lets face it though, if he was really intending to blow up the plane he would have blown up the bomb in the toilet.

Americans are just so stupid some times, its people like this that give the americans bad names. But if they are looking for terrorist things, lets give them it! Im gonna fill My site (still to be uploaded) with loads of stuff such as terrorist cartoons, games, the Anorchists cook book, the terrorists cook bokk. We should give them what they want, and more. Lets give them so much they can't handle it and decide against it... lets bomb the yanks! ..... with torrorist content lol... that sounded bad.

Seriously though, look how dumb they are:

Brits VS Americans

This is an absolute classic!!

The following is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation in October 1995,
between a US Navy ship off the coast of England, and the British authorities.

The transcript was released by the MoD on 10/10/95.

BRITS: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South, to avoid a collision.

AMERICANS: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North, to avoid a collision

BRITS: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

AMERICANS: This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

BRITS: Negative. I say again. You will have to divert your course.

AMERICANS: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN. THE SECOND LARGEST
SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE
DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS, AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT
YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER
MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

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BRITS: We are a lighthouse. Fuck off.

Vultronox
M.I.V

[Armegalo]

BRITS: We are a lighthouse. Fuck off.

Haha!...I've heard that one before. I'm sure not all Americans are like that though dude!

On the more serious note - sure let the FBI look. They can't stop information flow. It's just not possible (unless the US manages to conquer the whole world *shudder*) so host your websites outside the US and what can they do?

btw, glad to see people enjoying Wrath II :)
I wonder why it never made it onto the front page?

[TheMetalPotato]

Well the gouvernement always wanted and will always try to be everywhere and watch everyone ...

... im not against it and im not for it ... cause its true that some terrorist certainly talk through the net ...

but it will be hard to make the difference between the real terrorist and the child who are angry to the gourvenement cause he failed his driver licenses ... (do you still follow me ?)

i mean if im on a chat room and i say that i iwll try to make the pentagon explode ... all my friend there will know that its lie .. but the FBI ... hope they wont debark at home and try to shoot me =P !

PS : Wrath II is a exellent game .. i loved it ! it really worth thr try

[wellduh]

yes,yes,hmmmmmm,well what do u suggest we do about all this fbi shit? its not like they can do ne thing to us but i can understand were u are going with this message.

[m0rc]

That is total bull shit. how can the law have jurisdiction on a stream of information that for the most part dosnt come from within a 500 mile raidus of their true physical jurisdiction.

[KnottsberryClock]

Has anyone read that book 'The Handmaids Tale'?

This is like that.

[SteveHutchison]

At 6/4/02 04:23 AM, cockaloid wrote:

At 6/4/02 03:39 AM, jman66 wrote: The real Terrorists are those who gradually eat away at our freedom.

How is your freedom being gradually eaten away? Because you have to wait thirty extra minuites to get on a damn plane? That just doesn't make any sense. Please elaborate on this.

My definition of "freedom" somewhere includes the ability of choosing what I do with my time.

[warenb]

WHO WOULD BE SO MENTALLY CHALLENGED TO PUT TERRORIST PLANS ON THE INTERNET!?!?!? the fbi and all those other secret thisnthat people have been watching whats been on the internet since it started! fuck! the internet was originally for them!! if you dont think they listen to your phonecalls, email, chat,instant messengers, radio signals, already then u should think again! this is totally "DUH!! WHO DOESENT KNOW?!?!" stuff. i dont mind them keeping out the guys from some forign contry thats on basically every single drug there is, but they dont have to go to such extremes, like cmon, git ur shit together and just walk the guy through the metal detector and scan him for C4 and stuff that doesnt show on metal detectors. as for the government. so what no one can stop them. so what no one can keep them out. so what no one can keep them from seeing. SO WHAT WERE AMERICAN AND WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT LETS US BE FREE?! if the other countries are really that jealous, then why dont they get their fingers out of their pussy and stop being so much like hitler! americans get all pissed off that some terrorists hit our buildings, so they go bomb the shit out of the terrorists, but when our allies (ex. israel) have guys that just waltz in and blow up people and buildings almost EVERY DAY, we sit back and say "ay, stop doing that suicide bomb thingy", like ok, kids lets wait for the learning disabled class (our government) to figure out that we gotta get the yaser arafat guy in palestine outta the way too to help "stop terrorism". Alright ime tired enough of this fukin shit! ime gettin the hell outta here!!

[Tacitacial]

The FBI want to do something about terrorism, that's a good thing.
But how will they seperate the terrorists from normal people? Or what will they see as terroristic content? Will they take action against people or sites while it isn't necessary? Will it be effective? Will it infringe on the personal freedom and privacy of people?
Freedom and privacy are valuable things, the FBI might lower those things. Besides that, the terrorists wont let themselves get caught easily and the internet is a really big place. So will the FBI be able to effectively do something about the terrorists?

I think they should stay away from the internet, they would ruïn the fun of it and they wouldn't be able to really do something about terrorism.

[jman66]

How is your freedom being gradually eaten away? Because you have to wait thirty extra minuites to get on a damn plane? That just doesn't make any sense. Please elaborate on this.

the airport deal is just an example... basically what i'm saying is that the US government is making everything too restrictive in the interests of 'protecting' people....

that and the fact that this 'protection' costs money...opps have to raise taxes..why?..defense budget increased..why?...need to pay for the fighter jets scrambled to patrol the baseball game just in case there might be terrorists...

Basically the whole thing is ridiculous. We dont need fighter jets to patrol sporting events 'just in case' nor do we need the fbi to waste time and money patrolling the internet 'just in case'

[losinglife]

i said it before and i will say it again....

THAT IS FUCKED UP!!! the inernet doesnt even EXIST within america so how can american law be implemented on it....

fuck i just woke up would write more but oh well

[Armegalo]

I wonder why it never made it onto the front page?

Oh! Hehe! Nice one Tom :) I guess it did make it then.

Anyway, about the FBI... let them look - it's only surfing. At the end of the day, they'll be more aware that you don't want them infringing on your freedom, and so be really careful about who they hit.

It's not like they're trying to ruin your lives or anything.

[Steve84]

At 6/4/02 01:46 AM, alienature wrote: The U.S. Government was designed to protect our liberties. Congress makes laws allowing the Federal Government to protect our liberties, but how far does it go? The FBI now has authority to go into chat rooms, message boards, websites, etc, and look for terrorist content. This was brought up over the weekend. I was surfing around for some info and found a CNN article.

Be aware of history in the making. What's the worst that could happen? Government involvement could escalate into Federal/state online sales fees, FCC fees (previously enforced, but removed), federal email fees (I heard the postal service wanted that), and our right to speak freely. Once they have their foot in the door, it's not going to go away very easily. Ashcroft mentions how a 12 year old can look on the internet for terrorist content, why not the FBI? Well, A 12 year old can't throw you in jail for posting potential terrorist plans. I realize that you probably wouldn't post that, but realize that you could have done something like that if you wanted to, even for satirical purposes.

We can all look back and remember how cool the internet was, where we could publicize toons that impact people, say "no" to virtually anyone, escape from daily troubles, and become entertained. I understand that the FBI wants to prevent terrorist acts from happening, but this new freedom on the internet that we have been enjoying for years is something that I don't want regulated at all. How about you? Do I sound too hyped up? ooooo aliens and the government and Armageddon.

In other news: Play WRATH II if you haven't yet. You get to play God and kill angels (not recommended in the game). I only got to level 4, but I could feel the power flowing through me.

Tom I say don't what the fuck they tell you to do fuck em

[zimzap]

Ok maybe you are one of the stupidest people on Eart. The FBI is trying to stop terrorists and thats a problem? If anyone including you is stupid enough to create or hose a terrorist or pro terrorist document or game, you deserve to go to jail. Nough said and go move to fucking afghanstan so we can fuck you up.

[RobbieRiggs]

Well that happens in a government as corrupt as the US you know, its more than common for the US to do something so corrupt that it could spark an uprising for revolution, we got it from England. Personally, I'm gonna keep talking my mind and speaking my thoughts and if they have something to say, go ahead, if they are gonna take actions, might as well declare me a millionaire. I hope a group of Americans begins a revolution like back in the 1770s and overthrows the corrupt US government, of course they have to be better than the US and of course, they are gonna keep secrets but they... im getting off topic.

[Zdyne]

I see some dire days coming not only for NG but the net.
I support them checking into chartrooms looking for chatting about terrorism, but when they start shutting down sites is where I draw the line.
I bet some kid will submit another "Kaboom" and some shit will happen.
I hope the FBI isn’t going to be mindless site killers.
Tom just to let you know ill defend newgrounds to the end.
Shure it isn't nicest web site but we don’t do anything that bad, they’re just opinions and a place to have a good time.

[losinglife]

At 6/4/02 04:56 PM, zimzap wrote: Ok maybe you are one of the stupidest people on Eart. The FBI is trying to stop terrorists and thats a problem? If anyone including you is stupid enough to create or hose a terrorist or pro terrorist document or game, you deserve to go to jail. Nough said and go move to fucking afghanstan so we can fuck you up.

what are you a fuckin facist (spelling ) come on now... there are basic freedoms and one of them is to express your fuckin opinion and ideas... so your sayin if you had an idea of how to blow up your local supermarket and you posted it online jsut for whatever reason .. lets say so other pple could give you feedback ... and say you had planned to take this info to your supermarket to help the establishment but somehow lets say "forgot" to post that part online and the fbi say it and busted you ... you would be fuckin happy about that???? (all hypethetical to prove a point)

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU ... you have every RIGHT to post you idea on how to do anything regardless of what it is... its if you act upon that idea is the problem...

hence i say everyday everyoen should fuckin die... but you dont see me goin around killing everyone.. no..

you my friend do not even belong on this earth.
pple like you are why everyone is pissed off all the time.

[numba1juggalo]

The FBI now has authority to go into chat rooms, message boards, websites, etc, and look for terrorist content.
We can all look back and remember how cool the internet was, where we could publicize toons that impact people, say "no" to virtually anyone, escape from daily troubles, and become entertained. !!!! gawd im pretty cut bout the first bit i mean cum on wtf r they thinking if any bloody terrorist is dum enuf 2 post there ideas on a chat room there ****ING stupid. and the internet used 2 be absolutely beasty but now its **** (x cept 4 ng) so screw the fbi and hope all tha resta yall agree wit me
DoWn WiT dA cLoWn
aka da juggalo

[alexalex321]

At 6/4/02 11:57 AM, warenb wrote: WHO WOULD BE SO MENTALLY CHALLENGED TO PUT TERRORIST PLANS ON THE INTERNET!?!?!?

Me. OH MY GOD THE MEN WEARING GREEN ARE BACK AND MY FINGER KEEPS TELLING ME TO RAPE THE COMPUTER WITH MY SUPER MARIO TO THE RESCUE AAAAAHRRG!!!

But you do prove a point..

Land of the free? No. Now people can get arrested / interrogated even if the FBI suspects them to hold info.. These are hard times, but what the hell..?

[zimzap]

At 6/4/02 05:42 PM, losinglife wrote: what are you a fuckin facist (spelling ) come on now... there are basic freedoms and one of them is to express your fuckin opinion and ideas... so your sayin if you had an idea of how to blow up your local supermarket and you posted it online jsut for whatever reason .. lets say so other pple could give you feedback ... and say you had planned to take this info to your supermarket to help the establishment but somehow lets say "forgot" to post that part online and the fbi say it and busted you ... you would be fuckin happy about that???? (all hypethetical to prove a point)

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU ... you have every RIGHT to post you idea on how to do anything regardless of what it is... its if you act upon that idea is the problem...

hence i say everyday everyoen should fuckin die... but you dont see me goin around killing everyone.. no..

you my friend do not even belong on this earth.
pple like you are why everyone is pissed off all the time.

YOU MOTHER FUCKER DIDNT LOSE ANYONE IN A TERRORIST ATTACK SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH KID.

[Adam-Z]

The FBI needs to be kicked square in the nuts! Don't they know that the 'Jawas' (my codename for the Afgans) don't use the internet!...

...they contact each other using messangers on camels, duh!

So the FBI is just wasting there time...

THE JAWAS MUST BE STOPPED, LEST THEY STRIKE AGAIN!

[JeremyLokken]

At 6/4/02 04:56 PM, zimzap wrote: Ok maybe you are one of the stupidest people on Eart. The FBI is trying to stop terrorists and thats a problem? If anyone including you is stupid enough to create or hose a terrorist or pro terrorist document or game, you deserve to go to jail. Nough said and go move to fucking afghanstan so we can fuck you up.

Think about what was just said. Throw those people into jail for making terrorist-like games? There goes the gaming industry with games like Grand Theft Auto, authors like Tom Clancy, and all the best action movies out there! The United States was made of people with a vision. Business and creativity.

The U.S. Government can potentially control the internet as far as United States websites are concerned. The governments of France and China already control the internet and block a significant part of the it from the people.

It's good to know that the Government wants to stop terrorism and even prevent it, but it has the potential to get way out of hand. The FBI going to the internet sounds like it's going to do more harm to the majority than good in protecting it.

[MisterEd]

Let’s take a look at Newgrounds, for a moment.

Shall we?

It just so happens, the two masters who created this puppet show reside in Philadelphia. Why does their puppet show work? Why is it this site has users in the tens-of-thousands, whereas other sites are lucky for whatever visitors trickle in? Because NG is led better. It’s led smarter. And Philadelphia is a real place. It’s stateside. One (at least) of the webmasters is a student at Drexel. True—if the government decided to strongarm the Fulps, they might move to Singapore and set-up shop there. But there isn’t any Drexel in Singapore. Worse, from what I know, there’s a lot of capriciousness in those South Seas nations: every ten years, they go from having a Chinese whorehouse on every corner to having a lock-down on anything without the dominant party’s seal of propriety.

Now, I really don’t see the FBI shutting this site down any time soon. But I will tell you this: when a nation is threatened, it more often behaves like an animal than a reasoning being. By dealing with our own people evilly, McCarthyism downplayed the actual evil that was communistic tyranny. Considerably worse can occur. It can occur because a certain type of thinking is still around, a thinking which dictates always having a back-up plan—of always having someone cross check someone else. Somewhere along the line, you have to learn to trust another person. Somewhere along the line, you have to believe that not everyone who knows how to start a fire will use it to burn you up like a barbeque.

Only—to this day—we do not collectively think like that.

If this site ever does shut down—which it may—it will probably be due to all the cross-fighting of the NG users. I cannot, for the life of me, believe T. Fulp feels good flipping on his computer and seeing one user after another trading hate. One user after another in hurry to offer up a big “fuck you” without reading what the other guy is saying. If you are pounding the daylights out of your computer table when you’re reading reviews (or writing them), or, trying to really rile someone up in the discussion forum, you might want to consider this site akin to your local bar: have a disagreement, get angry, take it outside. Preferably, out back where no one can see you go at it like angry wolves.

Only ourselves to thank.

[AlphaFactor]

Internet users to John Ashcroft:

FUCK YOU.

[TechnoWS]

I can't beleive this. They've been saying it for months now but it's really happening. The internet is for information (that's why it was called at one point, the Information Super-Highway) I love freedom of speech, not just on the internet but also in other forms of media. All I have to say is be careful, and fight for your rights!!! (to party ^_^)