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At 4/29/05 12:53 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: So you are trying to tell me that if everyone believed in the communist system there would be no crime?

There would be less crime, with a possibility of no crime later. Under the capitalist system, crime is encouraged and is part of it. Have you never heard it said that the mafia and the government work together to exploit the poor?

Not all criminals are doing it for a profit. Some just are providing a service that is illegal. If we bannedabortions, there would still be abortions, not for making money, but ot provide a service they believe shoudl be aviable.

Yes, but i refer to property theft and waste of resources,, i should've been more specific. Sure, murders and things might happen, and would be treated just as harshly as any capitalist state.

I won't buy for a second that communism would end all property crime or crime that involves finacial transactions.

There would be less, as if people saw the sense and werent so isolated from communities, they wouldnt want material goods for themselves.

Two quick points:

At 4/29/05 09:49 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: ... with a possibility of no crime later.

You're delusional if you honestly believe that communism can create a crime-free society.

... they wouldnt want material goods for themselves.

That defies human nature, dude. Communism does not eliminate desire, it suppresses it.

At 4/29/05 07:21 PM, TovaryshIvan wrote: Lol, Where do you get a number like 2008? That is so stupid to throw some random number out there. What the fuck do you think North Korea is? A Democracy?
There are a lot of countries out there with Dictatorships....
What kind of world are you looking at?

To be fair he said such a dictaorship. I am assuming he ment one that kills 2 million people? I think once you get to 1 million the world is obligated to step in, but anything under seems to be fair game.

What kind of world are you looking at?

My world. don't know about you (your profile doesn't specify anything), but I'm from Russia, you know, so I think that gives me enough rights to talk about what most of the people here only see in news reports and propaganda and what I see around me EVERY DAY.

Lol, Where do you get a number like 2008? That is so stupid to throw some random number out there.

Lol, that's no random number: it's the year president Putin retires. He can't run for president again after that time. IMHO, e is also the ONLY person that somehow magically manages to keep things quiet and persuade people that everything is OK (I can imagine people beleiving him in Moscow, but I really dont't know how he is keeping the far-off republics from arranging a second revolution or declaring their independence, but that's another story). And besides, in 2008 not only will Putin leave, but G. W. Bush will leave too, and no one knows what the relationships between Russia and America will be like.

All you communist sympathisers should just ask yourselves if you really want your toothbrush owned by the state.

Thanks.

Yea, under Communism, you don't share your toothbrush with other people, that's personal property.
gg ):

At 4/27/05 09:54 AM, labor wrote: ok for starters the 5 existing communist countrys are cuba, guam(which geographicly belongs to the u.s.), china, vietnam and south korea....but my question is why does'nt the u.n. stop this i mean communisim is the worst form of govrment i mean the reason of the missile crisis is because cuba is communist i mean the raft boy event did'nt help i mean he loved it here but the communists(cuba) forced him to his old country

ok um i really wana know you'r opinion so respond

ur a fucking idiot
u only hate communism because the man tells u it is evil why? because they are atheist
does that make it a bad government NO!!!!!111111111
does communism suck: yes
but your still an idiot

At 5/1/05 02:28 AM, TovaryshIvan wrote: Yea, under Communism, you don't share your toothbrush with other people, that's personal property.
gg ):

Thanks for your highly intellectual comment. Maybe you could do without the "gg" at least, fucking moron. You totally missed my point. All things are owned by the state in communism. Do you want to be a human resource, or do you want to be an individual?

At 5/1/05 09:23 PM, Tyrant_Doomhammer wrote:

At 5/1/05 02:28 AM, TovaryshIvan wrote: Yea, under Communism, you don't share your toothbrush with other people, that's personal property.
gg ):

Thanks for your highly intellectual comment. Maybe you could do without the "gg" at least, fucking moron. You totally missed my point. All things are owned by the state in communism. Do you want to be a human resource, or do you want to be an individual?

Whats the difference? Look at any person who's working in the world, and tell me that that is an either/or situation. People are blatantly "both" in this society already, so what harm would communism do?

At 4/29/05 10:41 PM, VerseChorusVerse wrote: Two quick points:

At 4/29/05 09:49 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: ... with a possibility of no crime later.

You're delusional if you honestly believe that communism can create a crime-free society.

So a fatalistic attitude, assuming that crime will happen whilst being emo about it and wanting it to go away, is better? Especially when as in your case, it appears that you believe there will be less crime in a capitalistic society.

Anyway, you're a prick who over generalises. I said possibility of a crime free society, compared to the GUARANTEED crime under capitalism, which serves only to encourage individual greed.

... they wouldnt want material goods for themselves.

That defies human nature, dude. Communism does not eliminate desire, it suppresses it.

It is nature to want food, shelter and shiny things. It is human nature to better yourselves. It is better than human to want equality and life for as many people as possible.

As people have learned to want things based on brand labels, people can learn not to want things at the expense of other human beings. The only reason people want material goods is because they do not realise the true costs in human exploitation.

At 4/27/05 09:54 AM, labor wrote: ok for starters the 5 existing communist countrys are cuba, guam(which geographicly belongs to the u.s.), china, vietnam and south korea....but my question is why does'nt the u.n. stop this i mean communisim is the worst form of govrment i mean the reason of the missile crisis is because cuba is communist i mean the raft boy event did'nt help i mean he loved it here but the communists(cuba) forced him to his old country

ok um i really wana know you'r opinion so respond

communism isnt the worst form of government fascism is and u missed out laos the u.n is there to prevent war not go into countrys u disagree with your narrow minded and remind me of 80s america were it was complusary to love the government or get harassed fired homeless or in some cases jail like quantanamo bay for muslims theres no legitamet evidence against most of them yet u.s has no problem torturing them

This thread made me giggle. Kudos to you all.

At 9/11/05 10:52 PM, marchingtyrants wrote: but somehow, people living in a communist country lived happily than a capitalist country. motherfucker.

Lol, first of all like they were communist to begin with.

Second, like the communist countries wouldnt skew statistics EVER.

Third of all, of course the economy will collapse when the goverment is going to collapse. What, you think its all peaches and cream immediately after they switch?

And, fourth, when are those statistics taken from? Comparing what years to what years? It is VERY easy to skew statistics.

At 4/27/05 09:54 AM, labor wrote: ok for starters the 5 existing communist countrys are cuba, guam(which geographicly belongs to the u.s.), china, vietnam and south korea....

South Korea is a republic (North Korea is the communist nation) and guam isn't a sovreign nation (even though it does have a socialist govt.).

At 4/27/05 02:53 PM, LegendaryLukus wrote:

The version we've seen of Communism is no where near what Marx originally predicted a communist state would be like.

That's because the version of communism Marx proposes is impossible to achieve! Marx acknowledges that a govt. with absolute power is neccisary during the transitionary stage to communism, but no one has been able to get past the "transitionary" govt. Rather, The transitionary govt. becomes the permanent govt.

It will never progess beyond this stage because no one wants to let go of power.

At 4/27/05 09:54 AM, labor wrote: ok um i really wana know you'r opinion so respond

There can be no perfect government simply because the government is run by humans. And as we all know, humans aren't perfect.

Now, with that being said, every government has both positive and negative aspects. By usuing your method of saying how bad communism is, you could rightfully say the same about democratic and/or capitalistic societies. (notice how I'm going to generalize)

Most democratic/capitalist societies prey on the poor of other countries to manufacture their goods at a low price. This way, they prevent having to deal with worker's rights issues, such as fair pay and a safe environment.

In a lot of democratic/capitalist societies, you will find more people living in poverty than people living in the medium class or higher class. So, while some people sit around and drink bottles of champagne that costs thousands of dollars each, there are people who are working hard, and are barely able to keep up to the recommended standard of living line.

So then, with this being in mind, why is it that the UN allows democratic/capitalistic societies to still exist if they:

A) Contribute to third world countries remaining at a low status.
and
B) Neglect their own people, and only allowing the rich to benefit.

See, you can't ban a certain form of government simply based on the negative aspects. If we did this, there would be no form of government.

At 4/27/05 09:54 AM, labor wrote: ok for starters the 5 existing communist countrys

There are no communist countries.

ok um i really wana know you'r opinion so respond

Why do pubeless computer nerds think it's cool to use words like "um" and "uh"? Wait a minute. If they knew how to be cool, they wouldn't be nerds. Duh!

At 9/12/05 06:30 PM, DarkCharisma wrote:

:: There are no communist countries.

what the fuck are u talking about explain yourself and nightwatchmen that was a bloody good point wished i thought of it so what u gonna do about that mr topic starter huh.................what u gonna do