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At 4/25/05 07:58 PM, Vegeta6780 wrote: Are you just posting this because this nights episode of the simpsons was the adam and eve one?

.... grow up man

to fantum...you seem to know alot about religion...why didnt god destroy satan?...does he love him more than us?...if he had just killed that son of a bitch from the get go that dude never would have eaten the apple and we would all be living in eden...if knows all then why did he decide to let satan live and doom a good majority of his children to suffer in hell? Or did he know that would happen but just didnt have the heart to kill his former angel...

At 4/25/05 04:27 AM, Mr_Stabby wrote: Do you believe we evolved from Monkies or did god create Adam and Eve and Eve got us kicked out of the garden of Eden?

even such an incomprehnsible post can start a major debate as long as you question peoples beliefs, no? anyways, we evolved from monkies. you cant take the bible literaly. if we did, armegeddon would've happened and we'd all be dead by now.

Mr.Dibb has a life phylociphy called The Nicktoon Factor. Which states everything that has/will happen has already been played out in one of our loveablr cartoons on Nikeloadin! I.E. Rugrats, Doug, Hey Dude<====(Mr.Dibbs Fav!)

I don't believe in god 'coz there's no evidence. I believe 100% in Darwin's theory, there's no other explanation as to why we're constantly changing.

At 4/25/05 08:21 PM, TheLameSauce wrote: to fantum...you seem to know alot about religion...why didnt god destroy satan?...does he love him more than us?...if he had just killed that son of a bitch from the get go that dude never would have eaten the apple and we would all be living in eden...if knows all then why did he decide to let satan live and doom a good majority of his children to suffer in hell? Or did he know that would happen but just didnt have the heart to kill his former angel...

mmk... thats a VERY good question
God will not tolerate sin forever and eventually satans gonna be "cast into the firey pit" and be rid of him forever and hes gonna be bound in chains burning in the deepest most unescapable part of hell. when will this take place? armageddon. the demons form their last stand and ultimately God wins because hes got them out numbered. only 1/3 of the original population of angels turned demonic.

i know i know, why didnt he just kill him in the first place? well God did cast him into hell and hes not sittin on the throne enjoying himself... his very soul is BURNING! think of it as Gods ultimate revenge. hes not just some peaceful old hippie, when he wants revenge he gets it.
a little off subject here: most people think of what God did peacefully, but hes really violent. utterly destroying entire cities, turning disobediant people int pillars of salt, sending the plagues of egypt and eventually the angel of death. flooding the earth and ridding the population of the sinful, and most popularly kicking adam and eve out of the garden of eden and cursing them for all eternity.
ok getting back on track: God did kick satan out of heaven and into hell. in a sense he was "killed" because thats the spiritual meaning of death... to go to hell. God got revenge on satan. satan posseses a snake on earth and managed to trick eve and now we are having this discussion. now you dont believe me but im trying to explain things here. do i make sense to you?

At 4/25/05 12:54 PM, TigerDemon wrote:

Adam and eve were perfect and so they had no bad genes that would have caused problems. Sickness and death only started after the fall of man and has gotten worse as man have become more corrupt.

That's crap and I'll give you three examples why:

1) Even a gene pool with no know disorders, when all the genes are coming from a single mated pair, will ide out within three generations based solely upon the fact that the genome has been PROVEN to work like a copying machine: you make a copy, of a copy, of a copy, and by then the newest copy is illegible and worthless.

2) Man is still evolving. You can look at medical records from years ago, and tell that the average human is nearly a foot taller, 30% stronger, and has a life span almost 30 years longer than our ancestors.

3) If we as a species are degenerating, how is it that "Adam and Eve" are long dead, and we're only getting stronger and stronger? Is it REALLY in the best interests of our species to blindly believe whatever is put in front of us?

In conclusion:
Whether there was an original creator or not, human beings are changing for the better. We evolve constantly. Every species does. If it can't adapt, it dies. Barring the problem of the missing link, there are definitive fossil records showing us that humans have been changing and adapting for hundreds of thousands of years. Proof of either the Big Bang or Deity Creation has not been found, and personally, I'm willing to believe either. But you can't expect anyone who understands basic scientific theory to believe that we evolved from two people who look startlingly more advanced in pictures than ANY fossil of human remains between "then" and the 130th century BC.

At 4/25/05 04:30 AM, KillMoochie wrote: I believe that we evolved. A short argument with a real christian believer was saying 'if we evolved from monkies, hen why arnt we still evolving?' we are. So i said 'if god created all these miricales, why dont they happen today? why doesnt he flood the world again to rid it off all the sin?' and she backed off. i felt inteligent

ok smartass if we evolved from monkeys, WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE...WHO CREATED THE MONKEYS...WHO CREATED EARTH, THE SUN, EVERYTHING!...just asking

At 4/25/05 05:21 PM, Grade-A wrote:

Modern science vs. an old book full of lies.

You pick which one wins.

Modern science vs old science.... Neither can touch the Bible. :D

At 4/25/05 11:09 PM, afliXion wrote: Modern science vs old science.... Neither can touch the Bible. :D

And the bible cannot touch science.

edn

At 4/25/05 10:29 PM, Irish_Jim wrote:
2) Man is still evolving. You can look at medical records from years ago, and tell that the average human is nearly a foot taller, 30% stronger, and has a life span almost 30 years longer than our ancestors.

3) If we as a species are degenerating, how is it that "Adam and Eve" are long dead, and we're only getting stronger and stronger? Is it REALLY in the best interests of our species to blindly believe whatever is put in front of us?

Right... so are Adam and Eve those ancestors that we have 30 years on? lol. And are we stronger than Adam who had to sweat every day for food and water?
And also it would be nice for some scources. Unless your 'scource' has world wide measurements from the fifties, and from today, then its not worth much. If we are 30% stronger, what about all he obesity? what about deseases? Even if we are physically stronger, which I doubt, we still aren't very healthy.

At 4/25/05 11:15 PM, Klacid wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:09 PM, afliXion wrote: Modern science vs old science.... Neither can touch the Bible. :D

And the bible cannot touch science.

lol.
Read the third to last post.

At 4/25/05 11:09 PM, afliXion wrote:

Modern science vs old science.... Neither can touch the Bible. :D

You know the part of your sig that says "the scripture can NOT be broken"?

I broke it...whoops.

I was once called the antichrist for using scientifically proven fact to dispute claims made in the Bible. Which is tough, considering it was fabricated to be unquestionable to those it was written to help control.

oops, there I go again.

Once I smoked a joint rolled from the story of Soddom and Gommhora.

Damn, I'd better stop before I get smote from the heavens.

At 4/25/05 11:19 PM, Irish_Jim wrote:
You know the part of your sig that says "the scripture can NOT be broken"?

I was once called the antichrist for using scientifically proven fact to dispute claims made in the Bible. Which is tough, considering it was fabricated to be unquestionable to those it was written to help control.

I'm not impressed.

At 4/25/05 11:21 PM, afliXion wrote:

I'm not impressed.

You aren't meant to be.

At 4/25/05 11:19 PM, Irish_Jim wrote: I was once called the antichrist for using scientifically proven fact to dispute claims made in the Bible. Which is tough, considering it was fabricated to be unquestionable to those it was written to help control.

Oh and heres the fun part! When attempting to use logic or scientific reason christians always tell me that "we dont need to know that much information" and they simply turn ignorant. By turning ignorant they think they are still right because they dont have to listen to your reason so they still can concerntrate on what they believe in.

At 4/25/05 11:19 PM, afliXion wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:15 PM, Klacid wrote: And the bible cannot touch science.

lol.
Read the third to last post.

lol
Your book of stories shows no evidence in the claims it makes.

At 4/25/05 04:30 AM, KillMoochie wrote: I believe that we evolved. A short argument with a real christian believer was saying 'if we evolved from monkies, hen why arnt we still evolving?' we are. So i said 'if god created all these miricales, why dont they happen today? why doesnt he flood the world again to rid it off all the sin?' and she backed off. i felt inteligent

Well if you've ever read the Bible, which is generally a must if you want to actually argue intellectually about this, then you'd know that god promised never to flood the Earth again.

At 4/25/05 11:25 PM, Klacid wrote:
Oh and heres the fun part! When attempting to use logic or scientific reason christians always tell me that "we dont need to know that much information" and they simply turn ignorant. By turning ignorant they think they are still right because they dont have to listen to your reason so they still can concerntrate on what they believe in.

Belief too often overpowers common sense. Albeit Afflixion is uncommonly well-schooled in defending his beliefs, what it boils down to is the desperate cling to something he (She? ...no I'm pretty sure it's a guy) has been told. If you can be told by someone else it's true, you'll sometimes defend it to the death. I doubt he will ever be saved, no matter WHO tries to help him.

At 4/25/05 11:31 PM, Irish_Jim wrote: Belief too often overpowers common sense. Albeit Afflixion is uncommonly well-schooled in defending his beliefs, what it boils down to is the desperate cling to something he (She? ...no I'm pretty sure it's a guy) has been told. If you can be told by someone else it's true, you'll sometimes defend it to the death. I doubt he will ever be saved, no matter WHO tries to help him.

No one can be saved. At the end of the day the bible can argued and argued but true logic simply cannot. Science generally goes hand in hand with logic to conclude its theories or laws.

but to simply ignore or try to dispute logic like if A = B & B = C Therefore A = C then that makes you a fool thats more fooling themselves than anyone.

Alright, this topic is getting increasingly dumb. There is no way to prove/disprove god. There is some proof supporting evolution, but it's not concrete. This will just turn into a never ending arguement, like it always does. We all have our opinions and thats fine. No need to make it an arguement.

At 4/25/05 11:37 PM, Grade-A wrote: Alright, this topic is getting increasingly dumb. There is no way to prove/disprove god. There is some proof supporting evolution, but it's not concrete. This will just turn into a never ending arguement, like it always does. We all have our opinions and thats fine. No need to make it an arguement.

...Maybe we're arguing because that's what religious topics are FOR.

:D

At 4/25/05 11:23 PM, Irish_Jim wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:21 PM, afliXion wrote:

I'm not impressed.

You aren't meant to be.

Then what was your pathetic attempt at 'breaking scripture?' Even though you don't understand the meaning of it at all, I saw it as nothing more than a joke and you showing off.

At 4/25/05 11:28 PM, Klacid wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:19 PM, afliXion wrote: lol.
Read the third to last post.

lol
Your book of stories shows no evidence in the claims it makes.

Try reading the post. In all those passages I mentioned modern science has backed it up.

At 4/25/05 11:31 PM, Irish_Jim wrote:
Belief too often overpowers common sense. Albeit Afflixion is uncommonly well-schooled in defending his beliefs, what it boils down to is the desperate cling to something he (She? ...no I'm pretty sure it's a guy) has been told. If you can be told by someone else it's true, you'll sometimes defend it to the death. I doubt he will ever be saved, no matter WHO tries to help him.

I agree with you on the belief overpowering common sense thing. Evolutionists have shown us that is true many times over. And um are you second guessing me being a guy? hm Didn't see that coming. But anyway you are wrong about 'what it all boils down to.' Its not about believing just whatever someone else tells you, because I certainly am not simply believing whatever other people tell me. I make my own choices. What it does boil down to is where YOU want to put your faith. Whatever other ppl have told you doesn't matter, its the choices YOU make and what YOU think that matter. Its not as simple as someone telling you something and then just believing it.
Your last sentence was ridiculous. Your doing the same thing you accuse me of doing. You are obviously convinced that your beliefs are correct and not mine. Doesn't look like you'll be changing them anytime soon. And 'no matter WHO tries to help him' is an arrogant statement. Assuming anyone who doesn't believe what you believe, like me, needs help from others. .. *shakes head in frustration*

At 4/25/05 10:10 PM, Fantum wrote:

At 4/25/05 08:21 PM, TheLameSauce wrote: . now you dont believe me but im trying to explain things here. do i make sense to you?

actually...i was raised heavily baptist and like i said earlier, i believe in a combination of science and religion, i dont see why they have to be seperate....thats just a question that i ponder...if god loves us so much why wouldnt he spare his children the firey pits of hell by destroying satan in the first place

At 4/25/05 04:57 AM, DingoTheFlog wrote:

evolution is a long process of adaptation. How something can invent that is impossible. The concept of a god is physically impposible therefore its very safe to say theres no such thing. Show me some solid evidence of a god and i might believe it. What proof is there so far, a bunch of books written by stinking paegans?

if u saw what i saw u wouldnt say that. at my church theres people going crazy and stuff just yelling and crying its weird romanian churches are more religious then american ones. at american ones u dont ever see ppl cry. at mine everyone does.

At 4/25/05 04:36 AM, Tcartoon wrote: God doesn't exist. I'm sure of this, as there are no valid arguments for god. Science is the only way to go, because the only way something scientific can exist is through validating it.

what about faith?!?!? THATS EVIDENCE!!! right? right?

At 4/25/05 11:28 PM, Klacid wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:19 PM, afliXion wrote: lol.
Read the third to last post.

lol
Your book of stories shows no evidence in the claims it makes.

Try reading the post. In all those passages I mentioned modern science has backed it up.

I did read your extensive and over complicated post :)

Its easy to say that modern science backs up the events you explained in the "bible" but what difference does it make. It only makes science seems more tangable where the bible relies on the logic of scientific back up. But then again sci-fi novels also rely on scientific back up too. So who is to say that your little book is nothing more than a fictional story?

Before you become all arrogant like you christian people like to be you can maybe not be so quick to assume things.

At 4/26/05 12:37 AM, Klacid wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:28 PM, Klacid wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:19 PM, afliXion wrote: lol.
Read the third to last post.

lol
Your book of stories shows no evidence in the claims it makes.

Try reading the post. In all those passages I mentioned modern science has backed it up.

I did read your extensive and over complicated post :)

Its easy to say that modern science backs up the events you explained in the "bible" but what difference does it make. It only makes science seems more tangable where the bible relies on the logic of scientific back up. But then again sci-fi novels also rely on scientific back up too. So who is to say that your little book is nothing more than a fictional story?

Uh uh.... So whats this: At 4/25/05 11:15 PM, Klacid wrote:

At 4/25/05 11:09 PM, afliXion wrote: Modern science vs old science.... Neither can touch the Bible. :D

And the bible cannot touch science.

Did you change your mind? Or were you just contradicting yourself.
The Bible does not 'rely' on anything. Its the other way around. Science depends on the Bible, if you ever want to understand it correctly.
I have never read a sci-fi novel. But I've seen some shows of it. It has aliens and time travel and ships that travel at the speed of light. What science backs that up? It is science FICTION. Obviously, the Bible is NON fiction.

Before you become all arrogant like you christian people like to be you can maybe not be so quick to assume things.

If I have said anyhing arrogantly, please, tell me what I have said.

At 4/26/05 12:52 AM, afliXion wrote: The Bible does not 'rely' on anything. Its the other way around. Science depends on the Bible, if you ever want to understand it correctly.

Again all based on no facts and opinions. I loved how you quoted me in context to distort the point that you completly ignore. You must be getting pritty shitty to waste you time like that.

But yeah the interweb is pritty fun.