How are you born gay?

[Snowballs]

Is there any proof to this? Cause i dont believe. I mean i think its a choice to be gay, but i doubt it Your just born Gay!, i guess you can say that pedophiles are born Pedophiles.

[fli]

At 4/19/05 07:50 PM, Sweat wrote: Is there any proof to this? Cause i dont believe. I mean i think its a choice to be gay, but i doubt it Your just born Gay!, i guess you can say that pedophiles are born Pedophiles.

I'm gay.
I knew I was different as a kid when I liked He-Man over She-Ra.

When I was a kid, I had crushes on boys (although I never displayed it-- I was old enough to know it wasn't the norm.)

When I was using women,
I knew I was gay-- though I didn't want that.

It took until I was 17 and a near suicide that I became truthful. I was gay cause I was born like it. I never wanted it to be like that-- but now I'm at this point of my life, I wouldn't have it any other way.

[BeFell]

At 4/19/05 07:50 PM, Sweat wrote: i guess you can say that pedophiles are born Pedophiles.

Yes they are. Kind of like you were born stupid.

[fli]

At 4/19/05 08:00 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 4/19/05 07:50 PM, Sweat wrote: i guess you can say that pedophiles are born Pedophiles.

Yes they are. Kind of like you were born stupid.

BeFell!
That was naughty...

[Maus]

I think you chose to be straight. Two can play at that game.

[BeFell]

At 4/19/05 08:07 PM, Maus wrote: I think you chose to be straight. Two can play at that game.

I picked on the basis of girls being hotter than guys. It is actually puzzling why there are any straight women at all.

[commanderkai]

God or genetics flip a coin? How are we supposed to know?

[BAWLS]

At 4/19/05 08:10 PM, BeFell wrote: I picked on the basis of girls being hotter than guys. It is actually puzzling why there are any straight women at all.

Shhh!

[smeagol1]

It's pretty much how you talk,act and dress. etc

[Grecoism]

that is one of the stupidist arguments in the politacal mida. 1 there are somepeople who are obviosly gay from a young age i dont know if youve come across any people like this but they lets just say the steryotypes are based on something. and 2 why would so many people that are born from extremly republican homes just turn gay, when duing so could poibly turn away there intire family. Keys a senotor of illonis was quoted saying that if his daughter told him she was a lesbian, he would tell her that her lifestyle was sinful. also declaring Mary Chaney (Dick Chany's openly gay daughter) a "selfish hedonist" shortly after Keys daughter came out being open about her lesbian sexuality. there is no way she would have done that just to prove a point. noone would face expulsion over that. the fact is that its extremly obvious that some people are born gay i can give you countless other examples but i think ive proven my point.

[packow]

This is from a religious perspective.
I think that some people are born with more temptation to be gay. There is no one forcing a so-called "born gay" person to actually engage in homosexual activity, that is the persons own choice. As I heard somewhere "Love the Sinner, hate the Sin." Think about it, if Being gay was the social norm and the bible said that Heterosexuality was a sin and society condemned heterosexuality as it did being gay, I know I would get used to it. But because heterosexuality is the norm both socially and religiously, I accept that I'm straight and go with it.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

so youre saying that people decide that they want to be aroused by the same sex? people don't decide that they are gay, they realize it. but with women though, i can see why some choose. with guys these days, id probally be a lesbian if i was female.

[stafffighter]

People are born gay the same way others are born straight. It's pretty fucking simple.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 4/19/05 08:37 PM, PacoW wrote: This is from a religious perspective.
I think that some people are born with more temptation to be gay. There is no one forcing a so-called "born gay" person to actually engage in homosexual activity, that is the persons own choice. As I heard somewhere "Love the Sinner, hate the Sin." Think about it, if Being gay was the social norm and the bible said that Heterosexuality was a sin and society condemned heterosexuality as it did being gay, I know I would get used to it. But because heterosexuality is the norm both socially and religiously, I accept that I'm straight and go with it.

Unfortunately, that seems to get corrupted so easy.

Homosexuality is a sin, and I agree with that.
But so is lust and greed and sloth and gluttony and adultery and fornication, and so on....

Yeah, regardless of whether people are "born gay" or choose to be homosexual, it's a sin.
But so are many, many things else, regardless of whether people were born to do those or chose them, either.

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". That one verse proves it. We're all sinners.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." But all sinners, regardless of how they have sinned, are able to receive salvation for the sins they have done in the past, do in the present, and will do until the day they die.

Homosexuals can be Christian, just like adulterers, lazy people, people that eat too much, people that have sex too much, anybody. Salvation doesn't turn sinful things into nonsinful things--it just atones for them.

The Bible also has some things to say for the bigots that scream "God hates Fags" and stuff like that: "Judge not, lest ye be judged," and "Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone." The only one who has the authority to judge people is God. People can't be judges when they break the laws themselves.

[fli]

At 4/19/05 08:32 PM, smeagol1 wrote: It's pretty much how you talk,act and dress. etc

That's showing how much you know... queer.

[fli]

At 4/19/05 08:54 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: ...The Bible also has some things to say for the bigots that scream "God hates Fags" and stuff like that: "Judge not, lest ye be judged," and "Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone." The only one who has the authority to judge people is God. People can't be judges when they break the laws themselves.

Just scream back, "God hearts fags!" Cause God loves everyone. Right?

Anyways,
Good lessons--
ought to be practiced more and more...

[Ted-Easton]

I think fli has said it far more eloquently than I could/would have. Total agreement and excellent wording.

[Wadezilla]

Everybodie's bisexual, most people try to hide it or fight it.

[Grecoism]

At 4/19/05 08:07 PM, Maus wrote: I think you chose to be straight. Two can play at that game.

i like that way of thinking if the oposition that says that gay people chose to be strait, than it can be argued that all people chose there sexual perfernce. witch i think that almost all strait people can tell is false because of the atraction that strait men have for women. witch btw most likley works the exact same for homosexual men to other men.

[DirtySyko]

At 4/19/05 09:55 PM, Wadezilla wrote: Everybodie's bisexual, most people try to hide it or fight it.

I was just about to post something very similiar to this... Well I still am, but you got to it first ;)

I believe everyone is born with the ability to love either gender, which would make everybody born a bi-sexual. It's how we're raised that changes the thoughts of the child. If you have a mother and father and constantly see them together as a child, there'll be a much higher chance that the kid turns out being straight. If you are raised around gay family members, there'll be a better chance the kid could become gay or bi.

But these are definitely not the only factors that could determine this, infact they may not even be the biggest. Seeing things on television, seeing people out in public, and interacting with other children, all play a huge role in if the child will become straight, gay, or bi. A child's mind is very easy to manipulate, and you can practically mold any thoughts into their heads. You can train them to become serial killers or scientists. There are many books displaying this with training young children to grow up to become fighting machines. Even the video game Halo is about the molding of a young child into a war-killer.

So all in all, I believe any number of circumstances can factor the out come of the child, but nothing is 100%. The kid could be exposed to nothing but the gay lifestyle, and still end up becoming straight. It all depends on how powerful the mind is. Which is also why I believe kids who are bi-sexual at a young age have a much more powerful mind, because they have an understanding of attraction to both genders at such a young age. I know when I was young, I was never thinking about males. Once I got older I thought about it, but it's only because I've been exposed to what the gay culture is, and I never was as a child.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 4/19/05 09:55 PM, Wadezilla wrote: Everybodie's bisexual, most people try to hide it or fight it.

Indeed, everyone is to an extent. Women are able to determine beauty, both outer and inner, in other women, men are able to determine handsomeness, both outer and inner, in other men.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 4/19/05 07:50 PM, Sweat wrote: Is there any proof to this? Cause i dont believe. I mean i think its a choice to be gay, but i doubt it Your just born Gay!, i guess you can say that pedophiles are born Pedophiles.

There's no proof of a gay gene. I just did a paper on it, which makes me an authority on the subject.

[Catsofthebase]

If there is a gay gene, then there is also a cheeseburger gene and a felon gene. lol

[Empanado]

At 4/19/05 10:12 PM, DirtySyko wrote:

At 4/19/05 09:55 PM, Wadezilla wrote: Bisexual deal.

Bisexual deal indeed.

Y'know, that one strikes me as the most logical. I'm going to list down the theories that are most frequently thrown around on this subject:
1) Hormonal/Chemical imbalance.
2) You're born gay, it's in your genes. Somewhat related to 1).
3) You choose to be gay.
4) Bisexual deal.

Ok, to start with, we can rule 1) out easily. Why? Pretty simple. If it was due to hormonal disorders, it would have an effect on physical traits as well on the vast majority of cases. (I.e. Men growing boobs, Girls with facial hair, etc) As far as I know, there are no hormones that affect solely the brain, with no repercussions on the rest of the body.
With that, 2) would be half-out. I don't really believe in such thing as a "gay gene", I just don't think it's feasible. But that's just me, so 2) stays as an option. 3) is ruled out by the fact that the majority of gay people recognize that they were that way since they can remember. HOWEVER, there's still a chance that, in a few cases, some people turn up gay because they were abused as a child or imilar traumas. That still doesn't apply to the majority, so 3) could be ruled out as well. Finally we've got 4), which strikes me as the most logical. Maybe some people just have a predisposition to "unlock" their bisexual feelings, I guess.

That's just me, though.

[fli]

At 4/19/05 10:42 PM, Rooster349 wrote: There's no proof of a gay gene. I just did a paper on it, which makes me an authority on the subject.

There's no proof of a gay gene.
However, lack of evidence isn't evidence to support that gay is a choice.

But so far, all studies on homosexuality are not conclusive. They cannot determine if homosexuality is nature or nurture. However, there is a strong inclination towards the argument that gayness is something inherent. But there isn't anything out there, without scientific proof on both arguments, to make a conclusive statement about the nature of homosexuality.

My youngest memories of attraction is when I was 4. I liked how guys looked over women. Nothing sexual, of course. It wasn't even a crush or puppy love. I remember watching this news guys and girl, and I thought the guy was prettier.

The whole sexual attraction didn't even occur till I was 13. Man, you want teeny angst, find a 13 year old boy who's going through puperty and getting arousing feelings, and denying them. It was the same Hell till I was 17. Although, I was sleeping with women (I was 15) and I was fine piece of ass for em. Thought it would "fix" everything, that I learn to be straight. But it felt worse that I was using a girl, telling her that I loved her, basically using her like a selfish pig. Depressed and suicidal, I ran into a freeway cause I couldn't take it. That's when I sobered up, and decided to come out. How could it be any worse?

I broke very last girlfriend's heart. I didn't even have the guts to admit why...
Well, anyways... life is undeniably better.

Yeah,
maybe there are a few "voluntary homosexuals" out there.
But I'm very sure there are more born-homosexuals out there.

[fli]

Reading empanado's post--
Just need to say something.

I was NEVER abused in my whole life. I was spanked occasionally with an open palm if I was acting bad-- but that's far from abuse.

While I am at it,
I didn't grow up looking at gay people. I didn't hear about gay people till I was like 12. I was not exposed overtly sexual stuff, or anything like that.

[ScrunchMuppet]

Gays think they were born gay when they develop gay feelings at an early age.
They cannot explain why and the human need for answers lead them to their own conclusion that they had to have been born gay.
I believe that it is simply the result of chemical and hormonal imbalances.

[fli]

At 4/19/05 11:05 PM, ScrunchMuppet wrote: Gays think they were born gay when they develop gay feelings at an early age.
They cannot explain why and the human need for answers lead them to their own conclusion that they had to have been born gay.

A lot of us KNOW. Just as you KNOW that you were born straight.

I believe that it is simply the result of chemical and hormonal imbalances.

Yes, and a "gay-b-gone" is all what's needed to cure everything.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 4/19/05 10:58 PM, fli wrote:

At 4/19/05 10:42 PM, Rooster349 wrote: There's no proof of a gay gene. I just did a paper on it, which makes me an authority on the subject.

There's no proof of a gay gene.
However, lack of evidence isn't evidence to support that gay is a choice.

The burden of proof is in your corner. You can't turn that around.

But so far, all studies on homosexuality are not conclusive. They cannot determine if homosexuality is nature or nurture. However, there is a strong inclination towards the argument that gayness is something inherent. But there isn't anything out there, without scientific proof on both arguments, to make a conclusive statement about the nature of homosexuality.

No there isn't, it's only for gay activists. And there is plenty of evidence that homosexuality in not inherent, it's just gay activists don't want to hear that stuff because they'd like to be exonerated for their sinful lifestyle.

My youngest memories of attraction is when I was 4. I liked how guys looked over women. Nothing sexual, of course. It wasn't even a crush or puppy love. I remember watching this news guys and girl, and I thought the guy was prettier.

I got my first boner when I was two years old from April O'Neal, the cartoon character. What's your point?

I don't think it's any more appropriate to have sex with women out of wedlock than it is to sleep with men out of wedlock. Sin is sin is sin. I too, have had homosexual urges, but I denied them early and never had them again.

Yeah,
maybe there are a few "voluntary homosexuals" out there.
But I'm very sure there are more born-homosexuals out there.

I think homosexuality is "natural" just like sin is "natural." While it's not in God's cards, that's what we humans do best, and we'll find as many ways to do it as we possibly can. Sorry if I sound harsh.

[Empanado]

At 4/19/05 10:53 PM, Empanado wrote: There's still a chance that, IN A FEW CASES, SOME people turn up gay because they were abused as a child or similar traumas. THAT STILL DOESN'T APPLY TO THE MAJORITY.

At 4/19/05 11:02 PM, fli wrote: I was NEVER abused in my whole life. I was spanked occasionally with an open palm if I was acting bad.

Filthy atheist liberal homosexual attention whore. >:(

At 4/19/05 11:05 PM, ScrunchMuppet wrote: I believe that it is simply the result of chemical and hormonal imbalances.

Read my previous post.

Meh.