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At 4/13/05 05:02 PM, Denvish wrote:

At 4/13/05 04:49 PM, -api- wrote: That timer really should be implemented, to make things fair and fun. To hell with people who vote 0 on everything.

I don't think a timer would make a blind bit of difference. What we really need to do is track down the mass-zero-voters and slice them up into small pieces which can then be made into pies for the needy.

Sounds reasonable. And before I even have one download, the score is at 2.5 or 1.67. I say is track down the mass-zero-voters and take away their voting ability.

At 4/22/05 09:05 AM, Chronamut wrote:

At 4/22/05 12:21 AM, GoreBastard wrote: Chronamut you genious, that's an excellent idea, but what if the guy who's been there longest or has the highest rank is a complete dick that only likes one style of the genre, e.g, only likes rap metal and hates thrash metal... 2 completely different styles but in the same genre. That would indeeeed suck.

well in that case you make judges that each deal with a certain aspect of the genre - one for thrash metal another for heavy etc.

The song that caters the most to whatever subgenre like lets say heavy metal would be judged by the heavy metal judge and not the thrash metal judge.

while those are all great ideas on the surface, it will end up not working, or at least being no better than it is now. sure, you have the highest ranking people be the official "experts" of the genre, but half of them are just assclowns who vote 0 on everyone else to get up top. and then you think maybe they're gonna be bias towards one sub-genre of the music (IE thrash versus black metal), so you make one guy for each sub-genre... one thing though... there are trillions of "sub-genres!" i hear about a new one almost every day. for metal, i've heared of heavy, power, thrash, death, black, nu (i cringe at that one), melodic death, vampire, gothic, rap, radio, and so many more. you couldn't possibly cover the entire spectrum without one being left out and people getting pissed. anyway, that's just to show you that it might now work out. in my opinion, the idea to have just a "Metal" expert, leaving out the specific sub-genres, would probably be the best idea.

well since this is the thread on Audio Portal Voting, i thought i'd point something out. it's probably old news, but just out of curiosity, i was wondering if you could vote for your own submission, so i did it. what could hurt? so you can, and that's probably another thing all the morons are doingg to bump their crappy music up to the top... anyway, this was all new to me, so yeah. that's all for now.

At 4/22/05 09:05 AM, Chronamut wrote:

At 4/22/05 12:21 AM, GoreBastard wrote: Chronamut you genious, that's an excellent idea, but what if the guy who's been there longest or has the highest rank is a complete dick that only likes one style of the genre, e.g, only likes rap metal and hates thrash metal... 2 completely different styles but in the same genre. That would indeeeed suck.

well in that case you make judges that each deal with a certain aspect of the genre - one for thrash metal another for heavy etc.

The song that caters the most to whatever subgenre like lets say heavy metal would be judged by the heavy metal judge and not the thrash metal judge.

Or it could be judged by all of them - but you would have to have an odd number of judges for that genre to prevent ties - and that way if its for the most part good the thrash metal judge would get outvoted.

thats just my thought.

Yeah that sounds pretty good, but that might mean that the audio portal would need to be completely revamped, and I don't like change!!!

Oh, I have a question for you too...
In your BBS Signature, it says click my "MOOSIC"... how did you make that link to your stuff, because I wan't to do the same!

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!!!
They've struck again...
My new one, "A Dead Fucking Bitch" had 3.60 yesterday, today it has 2.63... It's a good tune too. When you vote zero it should automatically make you have to write a review and say why. Motherfucking lousy zero voters.

At 5/4/05 08:41 PM, GoreBastard wrote: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!!!
They've struck again...
My new one, "A Dead Fucking Bitch" had 3.60 yesterday, today it has 2.63... It's a good tune too. When you vote zero it should automatically make you have to write a review and say why. Motherfucking lousy zero voters.

*gets out medication* allright gorebastard - easy now - thisll only take a second...

now that youve calmed down a bit - for my moosic thing - i simply went to my gold grounds account - clicked bbs signature - and typed in the html - which was: (go check out my MOOSIC )

its really quite simple.

Also - the people that have been in the audio portal such as myself - DONT vote other ppls songs 0 to bump ourselves up - we're not nobos we dont feel intimidated by neone - thus we dont bother. I actually vote 5 on songs a lot - so they go above me - so what - theyll just get cut down again sadly.

one thing tho - my brother blams everything that is zelda. So if your zelda song has been blammed - its most likely him. Not that i really blame him - zelda songs usu arent that good and ive seen too f**king many of them...

At 5/4/05 08:41 PM, GoreBastard wrote: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!!!
They've struck again...
My new one, "A Dead Fucking Bitch" had 3.60 yesterday, today it has 2.63... It's a good tune too. When you vote zero it should automatically make you have to write a review and say why. Motherfucking lousy zero voters.

sorry i covered that option - ppl would just create alias accounts and type gibberish in the review - not gonna work.

Also it seems i cant paste my html in here without it actually acting like html - sorry you're gonna have to know some html gorebastard :P

True. What should happen is if the 0 voters were forced to give a review and put gibrish on it, that review should be deleted, and the vote shouldn't count. I'm fucking sick of some douchebag always lowing my scores on my songs because the fucker's bored!

At 5/4/05 09:49 PM, Chronamut wrote:
Also it seems i cant paste my html in here without it actually acting like html - sorry you're gonna have to know some html gorebastard :P

Learn HTML...Learn... LEARN... Nobody told me Newgrounds had anything to do with learning... I'm outta here then!

I tried it, but I could only get the long code thingy as you can see below.

At 5/5/05 12:34 AM, GoreBastard wrote:

At 5/4/05 09:49 PM, Chronamut wrote:
Also it seems i cant paste my html in here without it actually acting like html - sorry you're gonna have to know some html gorebastard :P

Learn HTML...Learn... LEARN... Nobody told me Newgrounds had anything to do with learning... I'm outta here then!

I tried it, but I could only get the long code thingy as you can see below.

haha gimme your email and ill send you the code for it if you want gorebastard - I majored in web apps so its all pretty simple to me! ^^

At 5/4/05 11:38 PM, Metalholic115 wrote: True. What should happen is if the 0 voters were forced to give a review and put gibrish on it, that review should be deleted, and the vote shouldn't count. I'm fucking sick of some douchebag always lowing my scores on my songs because the fucker's bored!

One of the best ideas i've seen yet, but to implement would take work and feedback, but i dont know if NG have the staff or time, what with all the other projects they have.
The other thing is definining what gibberish is. I'd say anything thats not constructive, so that would include flat out bullshit reviews, like "this is crap". etc

The other problem being the opinion of the staff who would check the reviews. There'd have to be a respected fan or artist of the genre checking, and would they rather spend the time fixing little problems, when it could be slowing their career down? Maybe some nice people would..... I dont know.

i just got an idea on how to fix the voting system-

there should be a limit to each number you could vote on a song.

1 0 a day
2 1a a day
3 2s
4 3s
5 4s
and 6 5s a day
as denvish stated, there are very few songs that acctaully deserve a zero(i think it was him)

though this idea may totaly suck, i was just brainstorming here

Though unfair. The goal of a voting system is to let you voice your opinion. And if you're going to have a limit on the amount of votes you can make, that's a little bit.. unequal. Right?

is it really an opinion if you go around voting zero on every song so your peice of crap can stay on top.... though unfair, changes are nessesary to stop people from doing this

How about... a ban? ;0
Anybody thought of that?

acctaully everyone who has posted in this topic has most likely thought of that, but nothing seems to have happenned so far , obviously i think there might be a problem with this, or newgrounds might have done it already(or they are just lazy :p)

Hell, I don't even know much about the Audio Portal. I don't think many people do.

thats true, i heard that less than 1/1000 of the newgrounds traffic is to the audio portal...

of course there are 500k plus visiters everyday so thats about 500 people, no

i do think they need more emphasis on the audio portal too, but then we would have an even larger 0 vote population to screw over our hard worked on songs(like my v 2 rocket remix, could you go review that for me)

and if they keep it the same, aspiring artists like me wont get the feedback they need. look at me trying to advertise my song in a totally unrelated response!(remeber v 2 rocket remix, thats the best)

At 5/7/05 09:08 PM, Bjra wrote:

Hell, I don't even know much about the Audio Portal. I don't think many people do.

thats true, i heard that less than 1/1000 of the newgrounds traffic is to the audio portal...

of course there are 500k plus visiters everyday so thats about 500 people, no

i do think they need more emphasis on the audio portal too, but then we would have an even larger 0 vote population to screw over our hard worked on songs(like my v 2 rocket remix, could you go review that for me)

and if they keep it the same, aspiring artists like me wont get the feedback they need. look at me trying to advertise my song in a totally unrelated response!(remeber v 2 rocket remix, thats the best)

stop being an advertising whore bjra lol.

its true - out of liljim's own month "other areas of newgrounds are more important for maintenance at this time. There are over 2 million visitors to the flash portal every DAY - as opposed to only 1000 to the audio portal."

I agree tho. Nobody knows much about the audio portal because there is nothing even saying that it exists except for the link at the top - no faq no banners just an "if you want music for your flash go here"

blah.

stop being an advertising whore bjra lol.

its what i do best :p

and woah, 2 million a day i thought it was 500k, holy crap, thats allota people
and only 1k to the portal daily...once agin the audio portal needs more advertisemet, in adition to a better voting system, so all of us starving artists...musiscians can get our reviews without advertising constantly as an advertising whore
(btw could anyone go and review my v 2 rocket remix)

...of course you all realize im trying to make a point here...

arrgghh!!! it just happened again!
someone voted a zero on one of my songs, and the downloads didnt go up!
it took my rating down by 1 whole point!

I think the audio portal voting system should have just 2 possible votes:

1) Like it
2) Don't like it

Within those two votes comes a little list that you can scroll thru and choose the most acurate reason why you either liked it so much or didn't. Very broad.This may not appeal to everyone, it would take, max, an extra 5 seconds of thinking. Maybe only allow voting after half of the song has played. (It's kinda like that in the flash portal, you can't vote right away, you have to click on the "play this game" link and wait a few.) NG could allow the artist to view the results and see how many people have rated the song and get a generalization of why their music is liked, or not, and would get far more feedback, since not that many people take the time to review.

Maybe you guys can elaborate on this idea. I'm out of coal on my train of thought.

Had to add my 2 pennies!

I wanted to add something.... you guys should consider posting your songs on soundclick.com if you want your music Hurrrrrrrrrr.

The whole site is dedicated to music, that is why EVEryONE goes there. unlike Newgrounds.
There's billboard charts and all that jazz...It's pretty cool. Doesn't seem as homely as newgrounds though. Don't imagine you get many reviews either. But hell, it's free. and it wouldn't hurt to post your songs on their also!=)

I still think that as the user of your own songs that when every time someone votes on your song it should go into a log file that you can view - for example:

log file for such and such:
--------------------------------------------------
user rating reviewed
--------------------------------------------------
whirlguy: 5 yes
poonhax 0 no
spacelock 0 no
rndmloser 0 no
--------------------------------------------------

you get the picture.

Without going into too much detail, I'd like to see the audio portal follow the flash portal by example. At least by having things in the audio portal actually mean something, like show up on your profile and whatnot, that may encourage people to review, and perhaps gaining experience by voting on songs as opposed to movies as an alternative. the reason why song scores get all screwed by is usually the effort of a single user. Not enough users are voting on things, so those who go through and vote zeros on everything they can drastically change the landscape. I'd like the voting system to go by a per day basis rather than the once per account voting like now.

Well, like I said, I didn't want to bother going into too much detail about it, but something like that is what I'd like to see. Hell, even having audio portal reviews counting on the profiles would get those who like to build up thier numbers on their profiles to start reviewing, and I take reviews into account way more than i value my scores.

Minutes for the lost.

A full listen opens the voting panel.

Pros
1. Songs require a full listen in order to acquire it's taste.

Cons
1. Proxies.

The Flash Portal is like the Audio Portal.

Pros
1. Daily voting capabilities
2. Mutliple genre awards
3. Organized Charts

Cons
1. Daily voting = daily zeros.
2. More staff.
3. Programming.
4. Increase in voting power, whether or not voting is negative or positive.

Banning trolls

Pros
1. No worries

Cons
1. For a limited amount of time
2. Tedious work
3. Alias accounts
4. Returning uses starting over again

Voting five on my own song?

Pros
1. Widely accepted method

Cons
2. Could get in front of the wrong crowd too soon.

Fan and Artist Barrier

Pros
1. Users are filtered from those who know they can make music, and those who know they cannot.

Cons.
1. Could be a wasted effort when a realization is made.

Most respect artist as the leader of their genre

Pros
1. Smart and esteemed musicians are mods of their tastes.

Cons
1. Those with dedication, who care to spend most of their time doing it.
2. Overwhelmed with new songs and reports.
3. Division and categorizations, it is a very broad task.

Limiting voting numbers

Cons
1. The goal of a voting system is to let you voice your opinion, this applies to fair voters.

Psychology of zero voters by (fake) Dr Erkie

They're new, and initimidated, they want a chance, and can only do it by voting zero to get their things to the top.

Nice one Erkie, but you missed out

Having to review when giving a zero vote and say why.

Pro's - Less zero votes as less nobheads would have the time to zero vote everyone they dont like, and those who posted shite just to spite someone and do one would get banned.

Cons - Requires time from NG staff, who are already busy, or time from a respected artist to moderate the reviews, and if irrelevant cancel the 0 score, and alias accounts,

id do it. moderate that is.

At 5/9/05 08:39 AM, Chronamut wrote: id do it. moderate that is.

Okay, that's one of like twenty plus we'd need.

I would do it, but I'm just too busy to even think about it, to wonder around the portal all the time.

At 5/9/05 02:50 PM, Erkie wrote:

At 5/9/05 08:39 AM, Chronamut wrote: id do it. moderate that is.

Okay, that's one of like twenty plus we'd need.

I would do it, but I'm just too busy to even think about it, to wonder around the portal all the time.

allright lets amend that - we'll moderate our own genres. I will only moderate vg - the rest are not my problem.

Here are my thoughts on the audio portal and voting.

First the audio portal was created as a resource for flash artists to get original, royalty free music content. I could care less what the general public thinks my best loop has a score of 2.35 but it was used in 14 submissions and that rocks.

The only thing that has really got me down is the way that alot of people in the audio portal are really anti experimental music but experimental flash like the Salad Fingers cartoon has a shitload of fans. I just don't get it........ most of my music is pretty experimental and gets totally slagged. I also use live instrumentation and it's way harder to get hi quality production with acoustic instruments than Fruityloops or a midi system which most other people seem to use.... aaaaarrrrrghgghgh I'm just venting

At 5/11/05 04:36 AM, napalm6b wrote: Here are my thoughts on the audio portal and voting.

First the audio portal was created as a resource for flash artists to get original, royalty free music content. I could care less what the general public thinks my best loop has a score of 2.35 but it was used in 14 submissions and that rocks.

The only thing that has really got me down is the way that alot of people in the audio portal are really anti experimental music but experimental flash like the Salad Fingers cartoon has a shitload of fans. I just don't get it........ most of my music is pretty experimental and gets totally slagged. I also use live instrumentation and it's way harder to get hi quality production with acoustic instruments than Fruityloops or a midi system which most other people seem to use.... aaaaarrrrrghgghgh I'm just venting

Sorry man there is just no gettign around it - experimental audios are just not as accepted as experimental visuals. When ppl listen to audio - they wanna listen to something familiar - when they watch stuff - they wanna see something different.

Consider yourself blessed - your not mainstream - i mean, who wants to be mainstream?

And 14 submissions for a single song? Heck the most i have for a single song is 4 i think.. Thats mighty impressive man!

And yes the instrumentation ppl get a bad rap. Oh well.

Most of the people that have come here over the years have been brainwashed and expect Paragonx9 and Czer type crap music, it's mainstream.