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Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 03:11 AM Reply

Do not upload copyrighted material.... if I catch you or anyone else doing this.... you risk having your account suffer the consequences.

NG is a great community and we offer lots of FREE entertainment. I knwo many peopel just want to SHARE other songs, etc... however this can get into a legal issue.

The audio portal is designed so that NG members can upload and share THEIR OWN creations.... these can be used for submissions in the portal in either the games or short flicks department, etc.....

I have recently had to ban quite a number of members from ever uploading audio. Hopefully this number will lessen and one day maybe even become next to nothing.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 03:48 AM Reply

You should mention that this doesn't cover covers (laff).

Covers are acceptable correct?

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 04:05 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 03:11 AM, FDA wrote: I have recently had to ban quite a number of members from ever uploading audio. Hopefully this number will lessen and one day maybe even become next to nothing.

Yeah, I clear the pending list every 1-2 days, and am generally surprised at the number of people that submit songs by other artists... even chart songs, on occasion. Bear in mind when you upload that an audio ban lasts a looooooong time (technically, forever), and make sure you read the rules on the SUBMIT page

# You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.

# Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.

# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.

# You are giving permission to Flash authors to use your audio, free of charge.

# You will remain the owner and credited author of the submission.


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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 04:25 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 04:05 AM, Denvish wrote: # You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.
# Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.
# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.
# You are giving permission to Flash authors to use your audio, free of charge.
# You will remain the owner and credited author of the submission.

Just so I have it absolutely clear, by author you are talking about the writer of the song - music and lyrics -, so covers are definately not allowed?

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 04:29 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 04:05 AM, Denvish wrote: Yeah, I clear the pending list every 1-2 days, and am generally surprised at the number of people that submit songs by other artists... even chart songs, on occasion. Bear in mind when you upload that an audio ban lasts a looooooong time (technically, forever), and make sure you read the rules on the SUBMIT page

I'm quite sure most peope do, Denvish. :)

But there are always those lame people that just wanna fuck around. They just try to submit a song that isn't their own. The same goes for the Flash portal. I've recently seen some movies that were just showing us a black screen and it was over 4 Mb!
Wade made a topic about this we should mark that as malicious.

But to the point, you will always have those people that will fuck around. The only thing you can do is just to ban their account or give them an IP-ban.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 04:32 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 04:25 AM, AGH wrote:
At 4/13/05 04:05 AM, Denvish wrote: # You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.
# Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.
# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.
# You are giving permission to Flash authors to use your audio, free of charge.
# You will remain the owner and credited author of the submission.
Just so I have it absolutely clear, by author you are talking about the writer of the song - music and lyrics -, so covers are definately not allowed?

Not too sure, actually, the rules could do with being clarified. Seeing as how a large percentage of the Video Game genre consists of remixed versions of game music, I'm guessing that Author means the person that recorded it... but as FDA said, if the music is copyrighted, then technically, I suppose covers aren't allowed. I have to admit I've let a few covers in on occasion though. I'll have to speak to the admins and get that point clarified.


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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 04:57 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 03:11 AM, FDA wrote: Do not upload copyrighted material.... if I catch you or anyone else doing this.... you risk having your account suffer the consequences.

Well since i make remixes, and i am making the claim that it is my intellectual property, and will suffer the direct actions of the industry accordingly, can i still put my tracks up?

Or is it time i spread my wings and left newgrounds until i have some writing equipment?

Yeah yeah, its made from original artists work. I claim the remix as mine, with the original artists being given credit as they would in any respectable real life set. Since I'm not making any money, what can they really get me for?

Heh, i'm gonna regret bringing this up :)

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 05:59 AM Reply

Covers are NOT allowed.

Punk-o-matic clips are NOT allowed.

That's pretty much it.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 06:07 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 05:59 AM, RedCircle wrote: Covers are NOT allowed.

Punk-o-matic clips are NOT allowed.

That's pretty much it.

Apologies for seeming dumb, but i'd like you to clarify this; Am i allowed to remix, given the terms i stated, which i believe agree with the newgrounds rules?

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 07:16 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 05:59 AM, RedCircle wrote: Covers are NOT allowed.

Punk-o-matic clips are NOT allowed.

That's pretty much it.

Hehe, indeed. But they've made a longer story of it:

"# You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.

# Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.

# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.

# You are giving permission to Flash authors to use your audio, free of charge.

# You will remain the owner and credited author of the submission."

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 07:30 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 07:16 AM, Zendra wrote:
Hehe, indeed. But they've made a longer story of it:

"# You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.

MY intellectual property, THEIR sources, so i'm a little confused on that.


# Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.

I dont make loops. I make whole tracks and advertise them on here so people can review them and give constructive criticism.


# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.

See first point, cos i'm a little confused, as to what my role is. Maybe by asking i'm just asking for trouble, but i'd like to know.


# You are giving permission to Flash authors to use your audio, free of charge.

Fine, its not like anyone wants to use my horrible madman shit anyway. And its not like its a copyrighted track that is being played, it is something made that i put my own creativity into to make, made from copyrighted sources.


# You will remain the owner and credited author of the submission."

I credit my sources where i can fit it in, and if i havent then i i've probably made the track name out the original artists tracks, such as Massif Amusement. Then all thats needed is a google search. Oops, my bad, i didnt realise Massif was a proper word, i thought Squarepusher stole it from youth culture. Anyway, just in case, Massif Amusement is a mix of squarepusher and weeksy.

So, even thought i'm juggling with fire, poking a tiger with a pointy stick etc, do i have to get out yet?

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 08:31 AM Reply

Wow. Nice job of requoting my post (which was already quoting the rules) without actually adding anything constructive, Zendra.

SpamWarrior: I think the third rule

# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.

is basically a disclaimer for NG, saying that they're not going to get involved in any legal action regarding copyright. So basically, if you get sued for using copyrighted material, NG will wash their hands of it, and you're on your own. Despite RC's comment about NO COVERS, the Video Game genre is full of remixed versions or versions played on different instruments, and I'm fairly sure that most of those tunes are copyrighted to Namco/Nintendo/Square Enix or whoever.


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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 09:49 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 08:31 AM, Denvish wrote: Wow. Nice job of requoting my post (which was already quoting the rules) without actually adding anything constructive, Zendra.

It was more a joke... :\

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 10:06 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 08:31 AM, Denvish wrote: Wow. Nice job of requoting my post (which was already quoting the rules) without actually adding anything constructive, Zendra.

SpamWarrior: I think the third rule

# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.

is basically a disclaimer for NG, saying that they're not going to get involved in any legal action regarding copyright. So basically, if you get sued for using copyrighted material, NG will wash their hands of it, and you're on your own. Despite RC's comment about NO COVERS, the Video Game genre is full of remixed versions or versions played on different instruments, and I'm fairly sure that most of those tunes are copyrighted to Namco/Nintendo/Square Enix or whoever.

Hmmm well the way i see it a cover is a tribute to the original in most cases, tho i'm not sure what mxpx meant to achieve by covering barbie girl..... (shameless plug for a shitty remix)

As long as the originals are credited, i dont see the problem with covers myself, but i have no power or influence so i'll STFU :)

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 10:52 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 05:59 AM, RedCircle wrote: Covers are NOT allowed.

K then Ozcars music has to go, or at least the 4 covers he has submitted

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 12:23 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 12:21 PM, Maus wrote: Sampling.

lol. I guess that's a big fat NO then. Thanks for the info Maus.


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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 01:44 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 04:25 AM, AGH wrote:
At 4/13/05 04:05 AM, Denvish wrote: # You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.
# Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.
# If you turn out to not be the original author, you will be responsible for any repercussions.
# You are giving permission to Flash authors to use your audio, free of charge.
# You will remain the owner and credited author of the submission.
Just so I have it absolutely clear, by author you are talking about the writer of the song - music and lyrics -, so covers are definately not allowed?

COVERS are acceptable but this means they are remakes.. not REMIXES.... you can NOT include part of the original song.... no big samples aka chunks of the tune.... NONE in fact!

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 01:46 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 04:32 AM, Denvish wrote:
Not too sure, actually, the rules could do with being clarified. Seeing as how a large percentage of the Video Game genre consists of remixed versions of game music, I'm guessing that Author means the person that recorded it... but as FDA said, if the music is copyrighted, then technically, I suppose covers aren't allowed. I have to admit I've let a few covers in on occasion though. I'll have to speak to the admins and get that point clarified.

Covers can be permitted.... however as I mentioned... they must NOT inlcude portions of the original.

it is best to NOT upload covers.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 02:43 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 04:57 AM, SpamWarrior wrote:
At 4/13/05 03:11 AM, FDA wrote: Do not upload copyrighted material.... if I catch you or anyone else doing this.... you risk having your account suffer the consequences.
Well since i make remixes, and i am making the claim that it is my intellectual property, and will suffer the direct actions of the industry accordingly, can i still put my tracks up?

Or is it time i spread my wings and left newgrounds until i have some writing equipment?

Yeah yeah, its made from original artists work. I claim the remix as mine, with the original artists being given credit as they would in any respectable real life set. Since I'm not making any money, what can they really get me for?

Heh, i'm gonna regret bringing this up :)

no need to leave... but remixes are based upon the original. You do not really have the right to do the remixes as these are not official mixes and there for you are uploading someone else's work. Most audio portal sites would honestly feel the sameway if they realised the legality. While you may thinking that the legal folks would just got after you.. you are mistaken.... they would go after who is hosting the illegal file which is NG in this situation.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 03:12 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 02:43 PM, FDA wrote: Triple-post spam ;)

Cool, thanks for clearing the issue up somewhat, I have to admit I was very hazy with regards to what is permitted and what isn't. I'll add a link to this thread in my sticky reference thingy, and it might be a wise idea to 'tweak' the rules on the Audio Submit page with a bit more detail, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who is/was unsure as to what is allowed and what is not.


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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 03:19 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 02:43 PM, FDA wrote:
At 4/13/05 04:57 AM, SpamWarrior wrote:
At 4/13/05 03:11 AM, FDA wrote: Do not upload copyrighted material.... if I catch you or anyone else doing this.... you risk having your account suffer the consequences.
Well since i make remixes, and i am making the claim that it is my intellectual property, and will suffer the direct actions of the industry accordingly, can i still put my tracks up?

Or is it time i spread my wings and left newgrounds until i have some writing equipment?

Yeah yeah, its made from original artists work. I claim the remix as mine, with the original artists being given credit as they would in any respectable real life set. Since I'm not making any money, what can they really get me for?

Heh, i'm gonna regret bringing this up :)
no need to leave... but remixes are based upon the original. You do not really have the right to do the remixes as these are not official mixes and there for you are uploading someone else's work. Most audio portal sites would honestly feel the sameway if they

The work is at least partly MY intellectual property. The work i am uploading is not recognisable as any one artist.

Tell you what, i'll write to the artists them and email them, and if they do not reply, how about taking that as permission? It'd stand in a court of law as being permission through no denial. I'd be willing to try it anyway.

realised the legality. While you may thinking that the legal folks would just got after you.. you are mistaken.... they would go after who is hosting the illegal file which is NG in this situation.

Is it just me that feels like it would be negative publicity for the music industry if the industry was to try to take down a site full of legitimate artists? There would be a massive surge in hate for the industry i think, tho it is only speculation?

I believe it would cause its own death if its actions crushed young talent which could make them money in the future. So i'm pretty sure they would come after me, and i would accept the circumstances and explain my position.

I KNEW I SHOULD'VE KEPT MY FUCKING MOUTH SHUT.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 05:32 PM Reply

the artists themselves don't neccessarily own the rights. Click the link I provided, it goes into it in a lot more detail.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 05:41 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 05:32 PM, Maus wrote: the artists themselves don't neccessarily own the rights. Click the link I provided, it goes into it in a lot more detail.

Apologies, i didnt see your post. I could swear it werent there before.

Anyway, i've decided to give up the fight. Its about time i started learning to write anyway.

I was just on a buzz, and now its time to be over and for a new one to begin.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 06:14 PM Reply

so if you get a dong and just play it backword or slightly alter it is that ok?

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 06:17 PM Reply

At 4/13/05 06:14 PM, LegendaryPancake wrote: so if you get a dong and just play it backword or slightly alter it is that ok?

If you play it bacwards, theres a good chance no one will notice. If you slightly alter it, they will. The reason no one will notice the backwards song is that backwards songs sound shit mostly if you leave them backwards all the way through :)

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 13th, 2005 @ 06:42 PM Reply

this is in the rules man you dont have to reemphasize it.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 14th, 2005 @ 02:36 AM Reply

At 4/13/05 12:21 PM, Maus wrote:
At 4/13/05 07:30 AM, SpamWarrior wrote: MY intellectual property, THEIR sources, so i'm a little confused on that.
Sampling... [big linky-type thing]

"There are basically three situations you might encounter when it comes to using another artist’s song on your album. You can use the actual full song, sample a song, or cover a song. All three of these uses require permission and a license."

Therefore, covers are the same thing as just uploading someone else's music.

(just clarifying)

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 14th, 2005 @ 06:50 AM Reply

who cares about all this bullshit about copyrighted songs and samples.

if you cant find a sample or a synth thats not copyrighted somewhere on the net then you are fucking dumb.

there shouldnt be a problem with all the songs, people are just being fags.


rawr.

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Response to Do Not ... Apr. 14th, 2005 @ 08:15 AM Reply

At 4/14/05 06:50 AM, Pandora_Tranquil wrote: who cares about all this bullshit about copyrighted songs and samples.

if you cant find a sample or a synth thats not copyrighted somewhere on the net then you are fucking dumb.

there shouldnt be a problem with all the songs, people are just being fags.

Chill the fuck out. What if people are new to the entire thing? Its only natural to want to remix things you like, as much as it is natural to sit down and right something from scratch.

Sure, takes skill to make you're own, takes just as much natural talent to spot tunes that mix together in interesting ways.