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Thanks Death_Cannon.

At 4/20/05 09:32 PM, Death_Cannon wrote: Good job and good luck punisher.hope you have fun there.

And what is wrong with that? I want to see the U.S. emulate the Roman Empire in several facets of society. Remember that Rome lasted nearly 1,000 years, over 500 of which were years as a world empire. I want to see the U.S. do equally as well; if not better!

At 4/21/05 01:25 PM, _Nevyn_ wrote: GONGRATULATIONS!!!! you just answered my little mad talk on a decent way that calmed me. (im a really calm person really, so maybe what u did wasnt so special at all, oh well...) and i just saw a documentary that compares the ancient Rome with nowedays America. after that movie, i seriously wouldnt be surprised if George Bush allows Gladiator fights...oh wait, they are now called wrestling....

Instead of fighting and bickering among us why don't we try to work together for the better good. This is how all our problems were started is from finger pointing and arguing

At 4/21/05 08:02 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Instead of fighting and bickering among us why don't we try to work together for the better good. This is how all our problems were started is from finger pointing and arguing

(LoL) Welcome to the Newgrounds political forum. ~_^

Yeah, some of us are only here for the bickering. All this political stuff is just extra.

At 4/21/05 08:02 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Instead of fighting and bickering among us why don't we try to work together for the better good. This is how all our problems were started is from finger pointing and arguing

Wrong location buddy, try the United Nations.

The Roman Empire, no, we didnt imitate them. we imitated every1 by learning from other civilizations mistakes. Plus one HUGE difference bout us, we gave every1 the rights they deserved from the beginning. We were the first to support these kinds of freedoms.

Excuse me i correct myself, not from the beginning(forgot bout slaves and women), but we were the first to give every1 their rights and freedoms FULLY.

At 4/6/05 04:40 AM, Death_Cannon wrote: I have no wabt to be any bit un-patriotic or offensive towards anyone, if there are any problems or you are too senstive to this subject i suggest you leave.
AMERICA: THE GREAT?
Americans were once a nation of ppl fighting for their rights and they were once an honorable and respectable peoples, I myself am an American, I have a worry that we are slipping, falling more into greed and acting more and more spoiled.

This is quite true. Whatever happened to people fighting for their rights. You know when it makes the news, and that happens rarely.

We are some of the luckiest people in the world. For instance, Europe may seem to be a huge attraction, but some places dont have flushing toilets or any health code signs, they simply have a hole in the ground. This is only one problem, we americans have made every one of these things an everyday thing in our lives. Unfortunately, most of us take these things for granted. Everything we buy is at a fraction of the price of the rest of the world. Another example is in Europe again, gas prices are the equivalent of $8 a gallon. So, they ride their bikes EVERYWHERE.

Not only that, but think about Africa. Africa is worse off than the rest of the world combined. They have all sorts of great things like gold and chromium
(used to make steel products), but Africans can't use them and people around the globe get $cash$ for stuff they cheaply buy from poor Africans trying to make a living.

We on the other hand always say that gas prices are too high or that the rich are snobs who owe us all. Rich people earn their money fair and square(at least most of the time) and yet we criticise them for being evil, corrupt, and just plain greedy. These are the opposite of most of them, instead most of them are nice, gentle, patient, and intelligent. These are the traits that got them to the top of the corporate ladder have boosted our economy in doing so. Plus many of them donate to charities and public services daily. Yet, we still criticise them and believe they owe us everything. That they deserve more taxes, when we founded this country hoping for equal rights and responsibility, which eventually did come to ALL of us.

Yes, equal rights doesn't mean that everyone would have the same amount of money, that's communism. Equal Rights is being able to have the same chance in something as everyone else does. Rich people took advantage and were able to earn their money. Usually, poor people either had a bad life to begin with or they got themselves into bad things. Rich people can be snobby, but not all.

We have abused the things we used to hold so close, so dearly. My goal is to change that in those who are willing enough to listen. No matter what religon, race, or political party I made this thread so we can discuss, not argue, over why we do this and maybe even how to solve it.

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PLEASE ABIDE BY THE RULES, I WISH TO KEEP THIS THREAD OPEN

Good message by Death_Cannon

Sorry, the whole thing isn't mine. Messed up on italisizing

At 4/23/05 05:00 AM, Death_Cannon wrote: Excuse me i correct myself, not from the beginning(forgot bout slaves and women), but we were the first to give every1 their rights and freedoms FULLY.

not sure about this but if you also exclude slaves and women, doesn't greece qualify?

At 4/23/05 10:44 AM, totoum wrote: not sure about this but if you also exclude slaves and women, doesn't greece qualify?

NO i mean when we gave every1 their rights we were the first to do so, we were the first to try and eventually every1 had the same rights.

Thanks for agreeing Stephen_is!

Thks every1 for helpin break 100 replys!!!!! :)

At 4/21/05 02:29 PM, punisher19848 wrote: And what is wrong with that? I want to see the U.S. emulate the Roman Empire in several facets of society. Remember that Rome lasted nearly 1,000 years, over 500 of which were years as a world empire. I want to see the U.S. do equally as well; if not better!

nonono i didnt ment that. the documentary was about the fact that America looked alot at the Roman empire, and especially its bad sides. its constant coruption, agressiveness, its constant conquest for further glory (wich led to its fall), it are all things that look suspiciously much at how america is. but no, i didnt meant anything with that, it was just a little useless fact i picked up, thought guys should know.

in other, related news, i discovered some disturbing things. it seems the world is not controlled by the powerfull nations, but its controlled by the "Opus Dei", the richest, most powerfull people!! (not bush, and not the american goverment.) these people seem to hold the true power, yet they constantly conseal their actions. the pope, for example, isnt just a religious leader. it seems the world still is the same as a thousand years ago, when the noblemen, the rich, and the religious factions dominated the world.

America is great for the time being. But we won't be if we continue to let immigrants change our culture.

Okeay, whiule its true that most people who have money deserveit, (they didn't inheret it.) how do you think they earned it. They sucker us into buying their merchindice and watching their movies. Also on the issues of taxes, they deserve to be taxed the same as everyone eles. Not more not less. Giveing tax breaks to the rich doesn't make sence when some people can barely make ends meat.

At 4/23/05 01:30 AM, commanderkai wrote:

At 4/21/05 08:02 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Instead of fighting and bickering among us why don't we try to work together for the better good. This is how all our problems were started is from finger pointing and arguing

Wrong location buddy, try the United Nations.

No offense but the UN can't do shit.

At 4/23/05 05:29 PM, Giddeon wrote: Okeay, whiule its true that most people who have money deserveit, (they didn't inheret it.) how do you think they earned it. They sucker us into buying their merchindice and watching their movies. Also on the issues of taxes, they deserve to be taxed the same as everyone eles. Not more not less. Giveing tax breaks to the rich doesn't make sence when some people can barely make ends meat.

Over here I never hear any1 in Congress (state or federal) mention any tax breaks for the rich. I'm starting to think that liberals make it up because conservatives support corporations. Corporations are the backbone of the world, and US corporations support the whole world everyday more than any other country. Your wrong, they dont sucker us, they convince us, nicely. Have you ever met a CEO of any big corporation by the way? I have and it was the CEO of Bank of America (he was very polite and nice).

At 4/23/05 03:38 PM, _Nevyn_ wrote:

At 4/21/05 02:29 PM, punisher19848 wrote: And what is wrong with that? I want to see the U.S. emulate the Roman Empire in several facets of society. Remember that Rome lasted nearly 1,000 years, over 500 of which were years as a world empire. I want to see the U.S. do equally as well; if not better!

nonono i didnt ment that. the documentary was about the fact that America looked alot at the Roman empire, and especially its bad sides. its constant coruption, agressiveness, its constant conquest for further glory (wich led to its fall), it are all things that look suspiciously much at how america is. but no, i didnt meant anything with that, it was just a little useless fact i picked up, thought guys should know.

in other, related news, i discovered some disturbing things. it seems the world is not controlled by the powerfull nations, but its controlled by the "Opus Dei", the richest, most powerfull people!! (not bush, and not the american goverment.) these people seem to hold the true power, yet they constantly conseal their actions. the pope, for example, isnt just a religious leader. it seems the world still is the same as a thousand years ago, when the noblemen, the rich, and the religious factions dominated the world.

We were semi-aggresive during the years we were expanding to the Pacific, but not anymore. In fact, we give a hell of a lot of help to any1 in need of it. Unfortunately, we always get criticized on it (i.e. the Tsunami incident.) We're not taking over Iraq by the way, we went over there to take Saddam out of power and search for Osama Bin Laden in the process.

Another thing, where did you get the idea of the "Opus Dei"? Cause whoever said that is lying. The rich, religious factions, noblemen, yeah they have a big effect on the world but they dont rule it. John Paul the 2nd was a good man, no matter who you are, he aided in freeing Poland from communist rule and helped many people no matter their beliefs. Dont tell me he was some sort of secretive dictator. The richest people in the world dont need any power over the world, and trust me they probably wouldnt want it. They know that they could buy a lot of land and make their own country if they wanted to anyway.

Blah blah blah, Americans... And world Goes because Americans existence...
Oh damn ignorance. There is a lot more beyond USA in the world.
When you say America you may refering to the whole continent or just to the north continent...?
When people learn time to stop making topics like this one going nowhere with no stupid conclusions world may be a better place to live...

You say corruption and aggressiveness as though they are detriments to a society. But these are the very things that propel a society to ascend above its more docile nieghbors. The docile are often too weak to fight the power of the more aggressive societies and become the trophies of the strong through conquest. By the way: the Roman Empire only fell after becoming PASSIVE in its behaviors. By turning inward, disbanding many legions to fund public works programs, and ignoring the threats gathering on the boarders for over 150 years, they weakened themselves to the point where a bunch of common barbarians could easily destroy them.

About this "Opes Dei" thing: your partially right in the fact that the rich and powerful are the main forces driving govt. (that's always been the case and shall always be the case), but htey don't operate in tadem. The rich and powerful elites are always in conflict with each other; the secular educational elites v. the religious elites, the big business elites v. the legal proffessional elites, the media elites v. the political elites and so on. Although portions of the elite control the force of govt. it's not unfied, it's a struggle between the groups for additional power.

At 4/23/05 03:38 PM, _Nevyn_ wrote: nonono i didnt ment that. the documentary was about the fact that America looked alot at the Roman empire, and especially its bad sides. its constant coruption, agressiveness, its constant conquest for further glory (wich led to its fall), it are all things that look suspiciously much at how america is. but no, i didnt meant anything with that, it was just a little useless fact i picked up, thought guys should know.

in other, related news, i discovered some disturbing things. it seems the world is not controlled by the powerfull nations, but its controlled by the "Opus Dei", the richest, most powerfull people!! (not bush, and not the american goverment.) these people seem to hold the true power, yet they constantly conseal their actions. the pope, for example, isnt just a religious leader. it seems the world still is the same as a thousand years ago, when the noblemen, the rich, and the religious factions dominated the world.

At 4/23/05 08:06 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

No offense but the UN can't do shit.

You don't need to be a genious to do that, but if you want to be a sissy, that's the right spot to be

At 4/21/05 08:02 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Instead of fighting and bickering among us why don't we try to work together for the better good. This is how all our problems were started is from finger pointing and arguing

Oh ive got nothing else to say i thought Id just show it to people again.

At 4/24/05 01:14 PM, John_st_r wrote: Blah blah blah, Americans... And world Goes because Americans existence...
Oh damn ignorance. There is a lot more beyond USA in the world.
When you say America you may refering to the whole continent or just to the north continent...?
When people learn time to stop making topics like this one going nowhere with no stupid conclusions world may be a better place to live...

Excuse me but we call ourselves americans because we are the only ones with america in our name. If you prefer we are also known as United Statesians, and we know we're not the only ones out there (we are the most diverse country in the world) but im american so i decided to speak about my country and if you dont like it, make your own thread. So fuck off or deal with it

At 4/24/05 06:00 PM, commanderkai wrote:

At 4/23/05 08:06 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

No offense but the UN can't do shit.

You don't need to be a genious to do that, but if you want to be a sissy, that's the right spot to be

In my opinion, i think the US should stop supporting the UN. First of all they always tell us wat to do and secondly they all have barely any power in the world compared to us. Hell, we feed half the world each day and provide every1 with whatever they need, yet they always bother us bout bein greedy bastards who dont care about the rest of the world and that we are destroying everything we can. The UN is total BULL$HIT, we stop supporting it, it stops. We do own the place it is located and even though it has some armed forces, we are its armed forces. Im not saying kill the diplomats there or anything too harsh, just send them home and turn the building into something else.

At 4/18/05 09:56 PM, Death_Cannon wrote:

At 4/13/05 11:26 PM, altanese_mistress wrote: Alexander the Great was, at first, called a foolish young-person for trying to take on Persia, but soon he was very much renowned for his great tactical mind and genious in many other fields as well.

Alexander the Great was insane, he had sex with fifteen year old boys, and wasnt very well known for his genious either.

Grown men having sex with 15 year old boys was the norm back then.

And just cause he wasn't known for how smart he was in areas other then tactics doesn't mean he wasn't. He was well versed in history, botany, zoolagy, philosaphy, literature, music, and so much more.

At 4/25/05 03:30 AM, altanese_mistress wrote:

At 4/18/05 09:56 PM, Death_Cannon wrote:

At 4/13/05 11:26 PM, altanese_mistress wrote: Alexander the Great was, at first, called a foolish young-person for trying to take on Persia, but soon he was very much renowned for his great tactical mind and genious in many other fields as well.

Alexander the Great was insane, he had sex with fifteen year old boys, and wasnt very well known for his genious either.

Grown men having sex with 15 year old boys was the norm back then.

And just cause he wasn't known for how smart he was in areas other then tactics doesn't mean he wasn't. He was well versed in history, botany, zoolagy, philosaphy, literature, music, and so much more.

I forgot to mention that he was a schizophrenic and having sex with your cousin who was a girl was the norm but having sex with boys was not, and to my knowledge you would probably be killed for bein gay.

At 4/25/05 03:38 AM, Death_Cannon wrote: I forgot to mention that he was a schizophrenic and having sex with your cousin who was a girl was the norm but having sex with boys was not, and to my knowledge you would probably be killed for bein gay.

Short answer? No.

Long answer? Ancient Rome and Greece had many man-boy relationships. They did NOT look down upon homosexuality or any sort of relationship for that matter. Most Roman Emperors had young women AND men share their bed, as did nobles. In Greece, you couldn't turn a corner without seeing an old guy soliciting a young man. In the infamous Spartan army, they spent most of their lives around other men barly seeing women, and there was no 'Don't Ask Don't Tell'

He was a schizo, and sry im thinkin afta the peak of greece and rome (the middle ages.)