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-BLUEleaf- sucks.

both companys have their pro and cons. personaly i find that i like both just as equaly,

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: +Consoles are very fragile.

Wrong.

http://www.ryoni.com/news/124/ARTICLE/1149/2005-01-19.html

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Pros for Sony
+Has reasonable pricing

But have you seen the PSP's price tag? I think that's a bit much for a portable.

+Tends to be very fair when it comes to hardware

Agreeable.

+Doesnt just make consoles

True.

+Has enough enterprise in enough areas to not be dependant on consoles

True, true.

+Doesnt release a new console every year, while overpricing the new sale

Nintendo don't either really.

Cons to Sony:
+Sometimes the hardware can be cheap (My Ps2 is slowly dying, but its lasted like 2-3 years).

I've heard of such things.

+I cant think of much else to say, all I know is I tend to hate their speakers.

I haven't experienced enough PS2 to know.

Pros for Nintendo:
+Makes fun games!

No doubt.

+Makes interesting consoles

True, touchscreen is one of the most interesting developments I have ever seen in gaming.

+Tries to be very family oriented in their games

Of course, it's family entertainment.

+The consoles last a long time (if well kept)

I haven't played my gamecube in months and it's still in good condition!

Cons:
+Consoles are very fragile.

I've heard different, I've heard its the PSP that brakes easily not the DS, but I'm not sure.

+They come out with some new bullshit every year, and totally trash their last project. I dont have that much money.

This is just this one time, might be happening again who knows, the GBA was out for 3 years or so, and the DS is a small thing to keep people waiting patienty for the GBE if it does exist.

+Games tend to be kiddish and lame. Lack of maturity (larget audience at times)

Thats just some of the games actually, look at Metroid Prime, Star Fox, F-zero, their games aren't that kiddish all the time, and if you don't like Nintendo's games there are still other companies that make games for their consoles, like Capcom and their Resident Evil 4.

Well thats my analysis, I find Sony to be the winner in the long run, Nintendo is just making me more angrier every year.
Anyone have any comments? Any additions? Any blow torches?

I think Nintendo and Sony will still be competing for a LOOONG time...because there are loads of people who have loads of different opinions.

At 4/6/05 01:30 AM, TheTrueMrJack wrote:

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Pros for Sony
+Has reasonable pricing

Starting price gamecube=200 ps2=300

Thats because the Nintendo wanted the gamecube to make money and rushed it out

+Tends to be very fair when it comes to hardware

Ps2 breaks if you drop it in about any way shape or form

I've dropped mine about 6 times! It works fine!

+Doesnt just make consoles

...and... nintendo makes cards...

Oh, big w00t, CARDS!!!

+Doesnt release a new console every year, while overpricing the new sale

nor does nintendo

Well, it does....

nintendo is strong, all who claims its for kids should realise that if it for kids, it has to be built though as a kid has more chance to drop his console than a 16yo

At 4/5/05 11:50 PM, w0Lf wrote:

At 4/5/05 11:46 PM, LOLWTFBBQ wrote: the revolution will suck. that is all.

Being a long time Nintendo zealot, I am too starting to get... skeptical... towards them, what with the touch-screen controller bullshit with the Revolution... I'll just wait and see how things pan out. :-|

To be fair to Nintendo, they haven't actually SAID there's gonna be a touch screen, that's just a rumour. All we know is, according to Nintendo, it's gonna be backwards compatible, internet compatible from the off and IBM are helping to develop it. They stated that they're not gonna release anymore info until E3.

There are tonnes of bullshit rumours flying, most of which contradict each other. One said the DS will be the controller for the Revolution and another said it won't have a D-Pad. Uhhh, from what I've seen the DS HAS a D-Pad.

Don't count anyone in or out until E3, that's all I have to say.

Oh and also, the PS2 is cheaper and less fragile than the GC? And the survey says... WRONG.

It was tested what consoles could withstand the most damage and the PS2 was the only console to break on the first test. Fair enough it was a sledgehammer, BUT, people had problems with their PS2s breaking very early on. Apparently the Gamecube is the hardest to break, I have NO clue how that works since the XBox is pretty much an armoured tank, but whatever.

Also, the PS2 released here at £200 and the GC retailed at £120. The PSP is $250 in America and the DS is $150. Strange, seems Nintendo usually have the cheapest.

I'm not saying the PS2 is useless, but get your facts right before posting :-p

pwnd by A17roolz ^^ cant sum it better than you just did :)

At 4/6/05 01:41 PM, btf4ever wrote: pwnd by A17roolz ^^ cant sum it better than you just did :)

Yup, totally agreed.

I'm an X-box person myself and I prefer it this way,

Microsoft >> Sony >> Nintendo.

IMHO

since its proven you posted completely wrong information or just opinion I will only make some points to further back up the majority of opinion.

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Pros for Sony
+Doesnt just make consoles

how is this a pro? that could be seen as a con because the more focused on gaming a company is the more they know about gaming. Some more info: Sony relies on most of its income from video games. the company is 61 billion dollars in debt. yes. billion.

Nintendo started off as a card company making card games. they then went on to make toys like the light guns and mechanical hands. Nintendo is still a game and toy company that is mostly known for their revolution of video games like the NES which saved the console industry from complete collapse.

+Has enough enterprise in enough areas to not be dependant on consoles

again, 61 billion in debt. consoles are what's saving them. and just to make things clear, they're working off Nintendo's design of the Playstation.

+Doesnt release a new console every year, while overpricing the new sale

NES - 1985
SNES - 1991
N64 - 1996
GameCube - 2001
Revolution - 2006?

that's 5 to 6 years per home console. also, Nintendo has a great history of keeping their previous consoles alive for the gamers to enjoy even after new hardware debuts. the last NES game was released in 1993 (Kirby's Adventure), that's 12 years after the console was initially released! the last game for the SNES was in 1998, two years after the N64 was released. the last N64 game was in 2001, and Nintendo announced they will support the GameCube up until 2007.

Cons to Sony:
+I cant think of much else to say, all I know is I tend to hate their speakers.

only two controller ports, poor hardware design the PS2s break down, the PSP has many dead pixel reports and the square button is built over the screen so it breaks! WTF?

Pros for Nintendo:
+Makes fun games!

that's a matter of opinion, however they should be commended for actually making games in addition to their console instead of relying on 3rd party support.

Cons:
+Games tend to be kiddish and lame. Lack of maturity (larget audience at times)

It's funny that Sony relies on Rockstar Studios to make GTA, but Nintendo goes out of their way to get exclusive Mature games for their console like asking Hideo Kojima to develop Metal Gear Solid, financing Retro to make Metroid Prime, and getting Resident Evil 4 on the GameCube... not to mention Shigeru Miyamoto himself is behind Geist, a violent m-rated first person shooter.
Sony and Microsoft don take those measures to develope for their audience. Nintendo developes for EVERYONE.
one other con you might have neglected is the online plans. The GameCube only has a handful of online games. but big things are happening there with Nintendo. they updated their online patents a while back and have announced a big online future with the DS. their next console the N5/Revolution/whatever is going to be wi-fi online right out of the box no wires or hookup or anything.

Sony's hardware has bailed on me one to many times, but they have games that are genuanly good. Like Jak, and Kri, ARMS. But it isn't enough for me to stand by them.

For me it all boils down to this. Sony is about being Popular, XBox is about Power, and Nintendo Is about being practical.

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Anyone have any comments? Any additions? Any blow torches?

+Nintendo Cons
-Lesser Graphics
-Most games on DS are just mini games, or games with a huge amount of mini games in them.

At 4/15/05 11:40 AM, SmashMaster wrote: again, 61 billion in debt. consoles are what's saving them. and just to make things clear, they're working off Nintendo's design of the Playstation.

proof?

NES - 1985
SNES - 1991
N64 - 1996
GameCube - 2001
Revolution - 2006?

that's 5 to 6 years per home console. also, Nintendo has a great history of keeping their previous consoles alive for the gamers to enjoy even after new hardware debuts. the last NES game was released in 1993 (Kirby's Adventure), that's 12 years after the console was initially released! the last game for the SNES was in 1998, two years after the N64 was released. the last N64 game was in 2001, and Nintendo announced they will support the GameCube up until 2007.

You're forgetting the gameboy, the gamboy pocket, the gameboy colour, the gameboy advance, the gameboy SP, the hundreds of "limited-edition" variations of the SP and the DS, and all the games are TRASH.

At 4/16/05 06:44 PM, RedHotRadiators wrote:

At 4/15/05 11:40 AM, SmashMaster wrote: again, 61 billion in debt. consoles are what's saving them. and just to make things clear, they're working off Nintendo's design of the Playstation.

proof?

NES - 1985
SNES - 1991
N64 - 1996
GameCube - 2001
Revolution - 2006?

that's 5 to 6 years per home console. also, Nintendo has a great history of keeping their previous consoles alive for the gamers to enjoy even after new hardware debuts. the last NES game was released in 1993 (Kirby's Adventure), that's 12 years after the console was initially released! the last game for the SNES was in 1998, two years after the N64 was released. the last N64 game was in 2001, and Nintendo announced they will support the GameCube up until 2007.

You're forgetting the gameboy, the gamboy pocket, the gameboy colour, the gameboy advance, the gameboy SP, the hundreds of "limited-edition" variations of the SP and the DS, and all the games are TRASH.

each handheld was a great improvement over the next pocket wasent a huge block, color was ,well, color, wahts to explain, advance was a graphical leap, and sp had rechargibal batter, was smaller, and had backlight. but you are right, all the DS games have kind of sucked,. but at least there will be castlevania for DS

All I need to say is this................Super Smash Bro's Online??? Its gona be online for the Revolution...I'm gona be so damn hooked, and so will everyone else.

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Cons:
+Consoles are very fragile.

Nintendo has the most durable consoles.

+Games tend to be kiddish and lame. Lack of maturity (larget audience at times)

There are kiddish games, and there are mature games.

Well thats my analysis, I find Sony to be the winner in the long run, Nintendo is just making me more angrier every year.

Nope.

Anyone have any comments? Any additions? Any blow torches?

Nintendo > j00

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Pros for Sony
+Has reasonable pricing

NO, the GC is still at 99 dollars while Sony had to release a thinner PS2 just to keep its price up.

+Tends to be very fair when it comes to hardware

I'll give you that, they are pretty fair with hardware, even though their videogame hardware tends to be fragile.

+Doesnt just make consoles

Big deal. This doesn't mean anything. If Nintendo expanded into other technological fields, than you can bring up good point on that.

+Has enough enterprise in enough areas to not be dependant on consoles

Once again, same as the previous statment.

+Doesnt release a new console every year, while overpricing the new sale

Que, the PS2 was only Sony's SECOND console. Nintendo has had 3 out before the PS2 and 4 by the time it was out. And, when the PS2 was first released, it was indeed overpriced. In fact, they released the PS2 early, forcing compeititors tor release their systems early. And nots forget the overpricing of said PSP.

Cons to Sony:
+Sometimes the hardware can be cheap (My Ps2 is slowly dying, but its lasted like 2-3 years).
+I cant think of much else to say, all I know is I tend to hate their speakers.

Pros for Nintendo:
+Makes fun games!
+Makes interesting consoles
+Tries to be very family oriented in their games

Very agreed.

+The consoles last a long time (if well kept)

Pff, my first gameboy lasted me 5 years and it still works.

Cons:
+Consoles are very fragile.

BULLSHIT.

+They come out with some new bullshit every year, and totally trash their last project. I dont have that much money.

Yes, thats a problem. Approach Nintendo slowly, don't rush in.

+Games tend to be kiddish and lame. Lack of maturity (larget audience at times)

Welocome to Nintendo pandering to every auidence, not to just said mature gamers.

Well thats my analysis, I find Sony to be the winner in the long run, Nintendo is just making me more angrier every year.

Sorry, not enough evidence to prove NIntendo is inferior to Sony. MORE.

Anyone have any comments? Any additions? Any blow torches?

Yeah, Nintendo is gonna be here for a long time. They aint dying, and hell, they might even beat Sony and Xbox. They're no where near out yet.

Im getting pretty mad at Nintendo for all the shitty games they are producing, so im more of a playstation guy now. I just got a new slim Ps2 this weekend and Devil may cry 3. Im already in love.

I still stand a loyal Nintendoian. C-L-A-S-S-I-C-!

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote:

Cons:
+Consoles are very fragile.

One thing, in a durability test the gamecube withstood more punishment than even the Xbox.
and my NES still works

At 4/5/05 11:46 PM, LOLWTFBBQ wrote: the revolution will suck. that is all.

No, It will succeed!

At 4/16/05 06:44 PM, RedHotRadiators wrote:

At 4/15/05 11:40 AM, SmashMaster wrote: again, 61 billion in debt. consoles are what's saving them. and just to make things clear, they're working off Nintendo's design of the Playstation.

proof?

NES - 1985
SNES - 1991
N64 - 1996
GameCube - 2001
Revolution - 2006?

that's 5 to 6 years per home console. also, Nintendo has a great history of keeping their previous consoles alive for the gamers to enjoy even after new hardware debuts. the last NES game was released in 1993 (Kirby's Adventure), that's 12 years after the console was initially released! the last game for the SNES was in 1998, two years after the N64 was released. the last N64 game was in 2001, and Nintendo announced they will support the GameCube up until 2007.

You're forgetting the gameboy, the gamboy pocket, the gameboy colour, the gameboy advance, the gameboy SP, the hundreds of "limited-edition" variations of the SP and the DS, and all the games are TRASH.

Ummmmmmmmmm the playstation was originally going to be the Nintendo Playstation. It was designed by Sony for Nintendo. But, Nintendo didnt like it and went to the N64. So, Sony decided to release it for themselves....btw if Square never left Nintendo for Sony, the Playstation would have died.

BTW noob, variations??? by that do you mean colors??? sorry if they want you to have a choice of colors, they all play the same games. Having more colors is nothing to whine about. If you own one, you dont have to get another one. Also, the Gameboy was the 1st, pocket was done because smaller stuff was being made and they had to upgrade it. Color is a new gameboy and so was Advance and DS. Why whine about it...I'll say it one more time...Super Smash Bro's ONLINE = o m f g

At 4/16/05 06:44 PM, RedHotRadiators wrote:

At 4/15/05 11:40 AM, SmashMaster wrote: again, 61 billion in debt. consoles are what's saving them. and just to make things clear, they're working off Nintendo's design of the Playstation.

proof?

The Playstation was originally a CD attachment to the SNES. and It still shows that in it's basic Design and it's button layouts.

NES - 1985
SNES - 1991
N64 - 1996
GameCube - 2001
Revolution - 2006?

that's 5 to 6 years per home console. also, Nintendo has a great history of keeping their previous consoles alive for the gamers to enjoy even after new hardware debuts. the last NES game was released in 1993 (Kirby's Adventure), that's 12 years after the console was initially released! the last game for the SNES was in 1998, two years after the N64 was released. the last N64 game was in 2001, and Nintendo announced they will support the GameCube up until 2007.

You're forgetting the gameboy, the gamboy pocket, the gameboy colour, the gameboy advance, the gameboy SP, the hundreds of "limited-edition" variations of the SP and the DS, and all the games are TRASH.

Wait, what? Limited edition SPs didn't make the original SP obsolete in any way, nor was it in any way a new system, as they had no effect on the software or gameplay in any way. They were just collectors items.
and for the most part the same can be said with the Gameboy Pocket over the GB, and the SP over the GBA. they didn't really effect the games, they just made it a little more convenient.

The consoles are all very good

Xbox
very powerful and good quality games but unlike gc there are not that many good games JUST for it exept halo 2 which comes out on pc anyway

ps2
dont make their own games while many are good. You will not find a good amazing game for just that console exept mabybe devil may cry

gc
small portable runs off the smallest power. Kiddies Sarcasm///// I think i'd really let my 7 year old cousin play resi 4 sarcasm////////// graphics by ati vgood
Mario is not a kiddies game try playing mario land all the way through twice and hard mode which is not very easy

psp very good allthough ps2 graphics is crap. it clearly states ps=playstation
p=portable
not ps2 portable
can play movies but you have to re buy all of theym for bout £50 a throw
it works as an mp3 player wow how about you just get one?

ds
touch screen the games are not crap
when rayman 2 came out on ps you would say amzing lolz wootkdwdkw djj and then when its re released on ds it somehow becomes crap?

BEST GAME EVER(IN MY OPINION)
prince of persia the original you cant beat it

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Anyone have any comments? Any additions? Any blow torches?

I got a match box and a can of petrol will that do?

umm? consoles are fragile? WTF?
in x-play they did psysical damaging tests to all the consoles (twice) and GC won over PS2 and Xbox both times
they threw them down like 6 feet, hit it with a sledgehammer, dropped heavy shit over it...

At 4/5/05 11:45 PM, -BLUEleaf- wrote: Pros for Sony
+Has reasonable pricing

Not For the PSP, Nintendo has far better pricing when it comes to Gamecube($99) and DS($150)

+Tends to be very fair when it comes to hardware

My PS2 I have had for 2 years broke and I had to buy a new slim one

+Doesnt just make consoles

This I can Agree with, but It's not better for Video Gaming, which is the true purpose of a console

+Has enough enterprise in enough areas to not be dependant on consoles

Can't argue here

+Doesnt release a new console every year, while overpricing the new sale

Nor Here

Cons to Sony:
+Sometimes the hardware can be cheap (My Ps2 is slowly dying, but its lasted like 2-3 years).

As I said Earlier, My old PS2 Broke.

+I cant think of much else to say, all I know is I tend to hate their speakers.

Dunno what to say about this

Pros for Nintendo:
+Makes fun games!

Yes!

+Makes interesting consoles

Their consoles tend to be very Innovative

+Tries to be very family oriented in their games

They do this to keep a larger audience than just that of Teenagers

+The consoles last a long time (if well kept)

I still have my Gameboy Pocket from 1998 and it works perfectly

Cons:
+Consoles are very fragile.

No. Just No. I've dropped my Gameboy Advance Multiple times and nothing Negative has affected it.

+They come out with some new bullshit every year, and totally trash their last project. I dont have that much money.

No Comment

+Games tend to be kiddish and lame. Lack of maturity (larget audience at times)

Does that matter? It's good to keep a wide audience

Anyone have any comments? Any additions? Any blow torches?

Pros To Nintendo:
-Legend Of Zelda.

At 4/16/05 06:44 PM, RedHotRadiators wrote:

At 4/15/05 11:40 AM, SmashMaster wrote: again, 61 billion in debt. consoles are what's saving them. and just to make things clear, they're working off Nintendo's design of the Playstation.

proof?

if you don't know that history you've got a lot to learn.

You're forgetting the gameboy, the gamboy pocket, the gameboy colour, the gameboy advance, the gameboy SP, the hundreds of "limited-edition" variations of the SP and the DS, and all the games are TRASH.

we're talking new consoles here, not new designs. it goes like this:
Game Boy/Pocket - 1989
Virtual Boy - 1995
Game Boy Color - 1998
Game Boy Advance/SP - 2001
Nintendo DS/OMG NDS THAT IS BLACK/WHITE/PINK - 2004

all consoles:
NES - 1985
GB - 1989
SNES - 1991
VB - 1995
N64 - 1996
GBC - 1998
GBA - 2001
GC - 2001
NDS - 2004

year intervals between home and handheld consoles: 4 years, 2 years, 4 years, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, simultaneously to feature connectivity, 3 years.

the only time Nintendo releases consoles close to the same time is with handhelds and home consoles because they're not in the same market. now quit complaining that Nintendo releases a new console every year. and even if they did, so what? STFU its not like you're forced to buy one. like I said before Nintendo supports their consoles for a long time. unlike a company like Microsoft that have been condemned for releasing new hardware too early because the Xbox was a failure and now they're screwing up the industry.

At 4/19/05 01:21 PM, SmashMaster wrote: Game Boy/Pocket - 1989

They weren't released at the same time!!
Pocket came out like 1998ish!