Boyscouts and Kiddie Porn

[ReiperX]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/29/scouts.charges/index.html

Reading the main headline on CNN made it sound much worse than it ended up being.

Boy Scout official charged in child porn case

Not saying child porn isn't bad, but seeing the headline first thing that came through my head is that he had boyscout porn or was making it. Anyways thought this was interesting though. Whats your thoughts.

[Xen-Tiberious]

What do you mean not as bad as it sounds? Here we have some one involed with youth accused of child porn. I mean,boy scout troop leaders have always been suspected of that sort of stuff, but it is a huge problem non the less.

[Error101]

Child porn is wrong in all sorts of ways. Boy Scout leaders make it even worse!! Its such a wrong thing to think about.

[Acid-Rain]

child porn is sick.....

[LadyGrace]

At 3/29/05 03:54 PM, ReiperX wrote: Boy Scout official charged in child porn case

Not saying child porn isn't bad, but seeing the headline first thing that came through my head is that he had boyscout porn or was making it. Anyways thought this was interesting though. Whats your thoughts.

That's true. They made it seem as if he were abusing the children in his troop, as opposed to viewing sexual content on the internet. Just like you, I don't think child pornography is acceptable in any sense, but I do think the the media has a responcibility not to mislead the reader with the title of the article. But I've despised mass news media for a while, so I really don't pay attention to them much anymore.

[Maus]

Child pornography is one way that molesters lull their prey.

'Hey Jonny, watch this with me! See, he's doing it, and the adults are okay with it. You can too!'

Just owning it, coupled with working closely with young boys is troubling.

[LadyGrace]

"hey, maus, these really hot lesbians are having sex with this guy... what about you?" >:D

[JoS]

I feel that as a former employee of Scouts Canada, and former high ranking official within my region I shoudl come to the defense of BSA.

There are usch few incidents of sexual misconduct among scout leaders, it rarely happens. Leaders are screened with police checks and interviews as well as refrences before they can be a leader. Some of the cases the children in question were not even envolved with scouting and had made contact with the individual in some other way, but the media used his role to make a better head line. It happens in every profession. A retired teacher was accused of kiddie porn once. The kids were not from his school, and he had been retired for many years and was a used-car salesman at the time of the accusations (he left his job as a teacher for another career). Did the headline say used-car salesman, no, it said teacher.

I do not know of the details of this case, but overall scouting is one of the safest organizations for this kind of thing. It rarely happens. In Canada in the last 5 years I can think of perhaps 3 incidents were it happend. Although 1 is too many, 3 across a nation of 30 million is very low. Far more people are abused by either the moms boyfriend, a relative or even occasionally the father.

[Elfer]

At 3/29/05 03:59 PM, Xen_Tiberious wrote: What do you mean not as bad as it sounds?

He means that it was a possession case rather than a manufacturing case.

[Proteas]

O.k... the guy was in possesion of child pornography, and he's being taken to court over it. What's there to debate?

[Ted-Easton]

It does nothing but demean the name of Scouting to even mention that the person involved is affiliated with a Scouting organization. Unless they are convicted of child porn that has something to do with scouting, or boy scouts are involved, the media should not even be mentioning that the person is a Scouts leader. It is a coincidental fact and only serves to add more trouble to the already troubled state that Scouts Canada (though this case in particular is in the States) is already in.

And you were involved with Scouts Canada, JoS? What region?

[JoS]

Battlefields. Hamilton Area Youth Chair/Commsioner, as well I worked at the Scout Shop office in Hamilton.

[Empanado]

At 3/29/05 06:17 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: I was a Boy Scout.

*snicker*OhdearifIeverhadanyounceofrespecttowardsyouI'msureashellit'sallgon
enow.

Uh, I mean, kiddie porn is bad. Really bad.

[JoS]

At 3/29/05 10:07 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 3/29/05 06:17 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: I was a Boy Scout.

*snicker*OhdearifIeverhadanyounceofrespecttowardsyouI'msureashellit'sallgon
enow.

Uh, I mean, kiddie porn is bad. Really bad.

w/e. Looks really good on a resume, Youth Commisoner for Hamilton Distric. Got me my first non-day camp job too. Easiest job ever. It was never really busy between November and June and we had it figured out when people came in (times) so we would take the bb guns outback and shoot stuff, pop cans, birds, ping pong ball, A/C units, street lights etc. Fun times. We had a full kitchen so sometimes we would make KD or lasagna. We beat the shit out of empty cardboard boxes with metal poles. I am only 20 and I am already a Camp Director for a Day Camp (most people of comparable positions are atleast 2-3 years older than me).

[IdiotPilot]

child porn=wrong

[Maus]

At 3/29/05 08:36 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: It does nothing but demean the name of Scouting to even mention that the person involved is affiliated with a Scouting organization.

I didn't read that into the headline whatsoever.

Child molesters worm their way into these jobs. I don't see any culpability on their (Boy Scouts) part.

[JoS]

Its not easy to get in (atleast in Canada0. You gotta go through a complete Police Record Check, and interview with a commisoner and 3 refrences. My friend applied (he had been in the group for many years). My dad was the one checking out his refrences. One of the refrences he used was my dad, another was his mom. My dad had to ask his mom if she would trust him with her children. She said no.

[Stresskillingme]

Says it all.

[ReiperX]

I do agree that the boy scouts are a very safe organization, and aren't bad. This is just one rare incident that happened. Main troubling part was that he was so high in the boy scouts, but as the article pointed out he actually had nothing to do with the children themselves.

The boyscouts did a great thing, and had no problem with helping with the investigation. They let the police take the computers without any problems, which does say that they want to help the best they can to help people like this be put behind bars.

[specimen56]

Its the job of reporters to sell newspapers. And its the headlines that do it.
You see that, you'll buy the paper/read the article and you'll see the whole truth in the article.
Its not strictly scaremongering, as all the details are there, its just a grasping headline, like 'Boyscouts and kiddie porn' grabbed a few people in here to read the thread...
If they didn't tell you that he was retired, and didn't actually have much contact with the boys then that'd be worrying.
Anyways, the actual article... they found it on his computer, pretty much end of story. Go directly to jail, do not go pass go, do not pick up £200. I just hope he gets some good councilling and is treated as a sexual 'deviant' (sorry, I can't think of a better way of putting this) than a hardline criminal...