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I saw it, at first i didn't beleve Wade BUT i read alot of reviews and then the article. the movie wasn't sick or good, but the fact that he did it makes it sick. even now i can't say that i fullt beleve it...
what i think is that he first made the flash, as one way to act out that he felt like doing, and then simply that wasnt enught for him so he killed 10 people and then himself.
and now that it has happened ppl will blame games and violent movies again ang nothing will happen, and then someone else will dot he same.
There will allways be stupid insame people bilded by hate and wothout common sense, that will never change.
This Is real Serious Stuff. He was a victim of the world and know hes a loner to it. The Fate of those people where for some reason but i dont cheer on his actions. I hate what he did to those incoient people. Fate chose them as victims. jeff was no victim the day he did this. He had planned everything from the start. If the students would of known they could of been spared.NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE TILL PROVEN GUILTY. HE WAS GUILTY
At 3/26/05 08:26 PM, Andy374 wrote: I cant believe it! i read a reply that some guy worte cheering on Jeff, saying he was the victim and who he killed had it coming. First off nobodyknow
u say we dont know what he was thinking but yet u know for sure he was laughing amazing
and with that there will always be people who judge harras abd bully people like that than wonder why he snapped. would any of u tease a rabid dog than wonder why he bit u?. ur all amazing we know who killed who. but the next big question is why? sometimes its so beyond our tiny brains and we'll never know untill 1 day u had enough. so i guess u should keep bulling and tourturing lil minds im sure it dosent hurt them .if what i just typed is true and it dosent bother no1 than why do people bully, harras and tease to begin with?. for the reaction ogggg what a wbb we weave and sometimes that action is alil more than u expected.check yourself cuz if u ever teased any1 or bullied than ur part of the problem 2 ,that explains why u cant except that ur actions effect others due to being in denile, and some know what thier doing and still refuse to stop. if u fuck with someone long enough ur gonna get a life altering surprise so check urself b4 someone else does. this world was not man made u cant go around thinking u know whats up and u got it all figured outand every1 should act and do as u do.
At 3/26/05 10:44 PM, TheBombMaker wrote: This Is real Serious Stuff. He was a victim of the worldknown they could of been spared.NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE TILL PROVEN GUILTY. HE WAS GUILTY
go tell that to bush him and his lil killing wars
i take that back u cant tell bush hes guilty of killing innocent lives because u elected him lol and with that ur guilty of supporting akiller like ur president
omg stupid people that say they have rights piss me off, you have shyt, gov. just tells you you have free dom, in reality you can't even shyt in the park, and you can express all you want, but if yous ay somthing agains the gov. people will hate you, personaly i do say that the gov. is stupid, but I'm not anarchy, but people that say patriotic shyt piss me off, look how this country of the united states is, all the states are separate, and have diffrences, it's like they are different countries, or i hat how amaricnas are just going to wear american flag undear wear is that respect, or patriotism?? no.
At 3/26/05 10:47 PM, RestlessMind wrote:
u say we dont know what he was thinking but yet u know for sure he was laughing amazing
R u a idoit? i put in a quote "true" he was laughing watching the kids die it was in the news, it was what all the survivors siad... dumass
At 3/26/05 11:55 PM, Andy374 wrote:At 3/26/05 10:47 PM, RestlessMind wrote:u say we dont know what he was thinking but yet u know for sure he was laughing amazingR u a idoit? i put in a quote "true" he was laughing watching the kids die it was in the news, it was what all the survivors siad... dumass
if i did this i would probly be laugh in the process. I mean come on it would be funny you are punnishing the people you hate. These so people who thought of themselves as big are now so weak and puny. it would seem funny to you.
ha he's a John Lennon fan, that'd be really funny if they tried to tie his death to the kind of music he listned to. also from reading his reviews, he acutly sounds like a smart kid, besides one or two ignorant statments. its a shame that sometimes some of the smartist people are so messed up on the inside
I'm Sorry But this should not be posted on the front!
I have gone through Livecorspe and others and this is beyond what newgrounds is we do not need to support these type of press
I think newgrounds derserves better than this!
At 3/25/05 12:24 AM, KupaMan wrote:At 3/25/05 12:07 AM, -Mj wrote:. at firstglance, it appears to be aShut the hell up, you over thinking poetic bastard catholic. What's with the spacing? And, besides, only 2 kids out of the thousands of contributors to NG did something they depicted in their flash. Does this mean everyone's like that?
pointless and violent short
with not too shabby fbf
animation, but after realizing
who has made it, it makes you
ponder whether or not this was
his way of expression what he
was going to do.
No Not Everyone is that way but there is always the one and that one is the one to be afraid of. But that doesnt mean punish everyone otherwise it will lead to more problems
At 3/25/05 05:12 AM, ConanEdogawa wrote: Im having trouble logging on, i was going to write this in the reviews, but this is a more appropriate place for it.
When i was in elementary school... I was beat up by high school kids i developed a bit of a superiority complex against my peers. I still look at some of them,( though i've moved to college, i have a few friends in high school, so i still know how it is), and they actually make me pity them. I seperated myself from the high school society, and i got a unique perspective on them. I see football players who drink and party, I see gorgeous girls who go out with the trashiest people, becuase they are considered cool. I see loose girls who sleep around and are proud of it and an "In-Society" which demands it, i've seen a girl who i thought of as a friend get pregnant and hang herself(i didnt see the actual hanging) because her parents came down so hard on her, i belive it could had been handled better, but i dont blame the parents too bad. I've seen a football player call a cheerleader "Slut-Bucket", and later in the week she was hit by a train and died, i then found out she went to a church nearby the school, and was not a "Slut-Bucket". Why, oh why, can't being a non-conformist ever be a good thing? Why cannot people see that doing drugs leads to failure, addiction, and death? Why can't high schoolers see that living a active sex life will make you cool, but most likely lead you forced into a dead-end job before you finish college, just so you can take care of a baby. Why do they punish those who do well by judging them as nerds. But it makes one wonder, what challenges did THEY have to go through to reach where they are today? DId they have to go through the challenges Jeff Weise had to? Did thoughts of rampage invade THEIR minds? No body really knows that answer. As previously stated, ive developed a superiority complex, and was not very kind to many people. I have few friends, but they are very dear to me, people i would trust with everything i am. I think, in retrospect, that i handled things as best i could. My moral is this, you who partake in such actions, analyze your own life and ask, If the School Systems could teach love along side history, maybe we wouldnt have ohter Jeff Weises and Columbines.
I agree fully today to many people try to live a lie I have found from the military that if you are who YOU want to be allot of stress is released we all have are secrets but I still think that it all comes down to how you were raised. I was raised in a loving family but through the milkitary I have seen the hard streets of east st louis to the royal areas of Monument colorado but I still have who I am... a mixture of my parents I love this last part If the School Systems could teach love along side history, maybe we wouldnt have ohter Jeff Weises and Columbines.
At 3/25/05 04:12 PM, Tremour wrote: My only problem with the flash being on the front page is the type of reviewers it's attracting.
:Just saying, maybe a good idea would be to close off the ability to review it altogether. After all, the purpose of reviewing is to help the author improve his work. Weise isn't going to need that now, is he ?
Locking the thread would be a good Idea because he wont be using it anyway unless he can bypass hell someway but its not that cold yet
Let's play another fun guessing game!!!
At 3/25/05 04:12 PM, Lindstrom wrote: Well, the son of a bitch must have had his reasons for blasting mother fuckers to their graves. What reasons? Who knows. All we know is that instead of popping another Prozac he pop-pop-popped people with his hand gun back to where they came from. Conclusion? I guess he had a bad day or something, like a really bad groin itch... lol
I'm not gonna sit around and pretend I give a damn about shit like this. People die every single fuckin' day from various reasons spanning from getting your head shot off by a US soldier in Iraq to dying from ebola in Africa... I'm not gonna pretend I care, 'cause I don't. It's tragic for sure, but I just don't care... sorry. So much shit going on in the world, so little time to give a damn...
This little shock value cutie is...
A.) Only pretending he feels this way to look "cool."
B.) Competing with Eminem.
C.) In need of psychological help.
D.) All of the above.
Correct answer is D.) All of the above.
At 3/26/05 12:57 PM, hofi8 wrote: Okay I want to say that most of Americans are faktards and their life is based on TV, and Media, think about it do you acctuly care for all does people?? Did it make your life different?? I don't think so it might of changed about 20 peoples lifes, but in life there is a thing thats called shit happens alot, and you can't do nothing about it, it wans't that kids fault that people dissliked him for whom he is, somtimes people get out of control, you just got to get on with your lfie, the sadnes would somtimes go weaker and weaker, Im not saying that its good taht does people died and if I had one wish I would bring them all to life, but you can't judge that kid if you don't know him, he just amde a mistake in his life, oly it was a big one, but i bet most of you people never amde an mistake.
This affects anyone who goes to school & their families. It can also be prevented. Shut up?
At 3/26/05 11:42 PM, hofi8 wrote: omg stupid people that say they have rights piss me off, you have shyt, gov. just tells you you have free dom, in reality you can't even shyt in the park, and you can express all you want, but if yous ay somthing agains the gov. people will hate you, personaly i do say that the gov. is stupid, but I'm not anarchy, but people that say patriotic shyt piss me off, look how this country of the united states is, all the states are separate, and have diffrences, it's like they are different countries, or i hat how amaricnas are just going to wear american flag undear wear is that respect, or patriotism?? no.
I have read all the garbage you are spewing out & you have a lot of learning to do, baby anarchist.
For one that's called FEDERALISM. Go read the US Constitution or something. It's the backbone of our government & also the oldest codified written national constitution still in in effect today because it's that damn good. Thomas Jefferson is a genius. It will blow you away.
For two you're exercising rights you take for granted right now. In some countries you probably couldn't use the internet to write this because that's not allowed & if you expressed this in public they'd probably cut out your tongue & toss you in a jail cell & let you eat rat meat for the rest of your life.
For three taking a shit in the park is against the law for good reason. Besides the fact that it's just fucking weird, do you think people want to take their kids to play or their dog for a walk or go running or biking there & see piles of human excrement all over? Once you even complained that you weren't truly free because you don't have the right to just kill people whenever you see fit. NEWS FLASH! Freedom isn't about allowing you to infringe upon the rights of others. A society needs laws to ensure peace & order. Duh.
I like the clown one man that clown was weird he kinda freaked me out ok so does anyone else think the clown made him do it
Oh why do I feel so ill sympathetic for this guy... Im so used to these things now... T.V. makes it all look like little deal. Oh.. er.. school gets shot up by Jeff Weise... Oh oh whats this another 9-11 tribute!? oh i gotta see this! Oh the days of columbine were great for me, i remember the threats and the pull-string-fireworks i brought in and the dirty looks when i got flame to drop off the blackened strings and the dean threatening to expel me and Mr Smith having that long talk with the class about school shootings as he glared at me while talking about how upset he would be if one of his three attending kids got hurt. I dont think its so bad. You dont know how many people go day to day thinking about killing people. I know for a fact at least one person wants me dead dayly just because of how ugly my face is. Or maybe its just the depressive shit talking people i hang out with that makes me so paranoid. I think its okay... i mean one kid got to kill alot of people who he didnt like. You all see it like hes awful, and those kid probably didnt do a thing to provoke it. well the way i see it. He isnt suffering anymore. The victims who died arent suffering anymore. and the wounded ones have a new-found respect for the common depressive lowlife. Im so happy for him. He doesnt feel bad at all now. And somehow i think the victims understand... its ok, it'll be ok. There will always be a certain admiration for someone who will kill himself for what he believes. This kind of killing is equivilant to the 9-11 killings but on a smaller scale. Both of the "terrorists" believed what they were doing was right. Who am i to say they were wrong. I say id have to be in their shoes to really know. This is a great coming-of-age leaning experience for everyone. whats worse... tortured for 13 "learning years" of your life by bullys, or a quick frightening death by the bullet? Deaths are quick and unexpected, while the constant tease from jerks is always there. People think and let things get to them... to the point where they cant sleep at night (hey its 4:42 am now). Its easy to just say "oh hes a puss and cant deal with a little tease" but you dont know what goes on in the mind of the victims. We end up torturing ourselves into thinking death would be a better way out of a bad situation. Sad but true ... what can we do.
At 3/25/05 04:27 PM, mackan_ wrote:
you're a stupid fucking moron and you're 15 years old, you don't KNOW anything, you THINK you know everything...
Who the fuck are you to judge that?? Who decides if he knows a lot or not??
what he said is true. WE are controlled since we are lil babies. we are so used to live in this way that we don't even notice, that's the beauty of it.
Example: Saudi Arabia, Afeghanistan. there are the "terrorists" groups, but who called them terrorists, US, for them, we are the ones who are oprresing them, and in a way we are...
the "Civilized" world looks down on everything that isn't like us, since the dawn of man that Europe and the Us as discriminated others nations, 1st africa, then asia, now the midle-east. it was us that started this war(Iraq)
Sure they attacked USA, but U GUYS DROVE THE WORLD INTO WAR!!, look what happened in Spain. they didn't wanted to go to Iraq.
Violence, makes violence. Iraq will never be free, cause US and the others countries will not allow, they have too much petrol and stuff
Don't say we don't know nothing, because we are the future, and some of us are trying to make a difference.
What have u done to change thins?? NOTHING. because you think its pointless. and you are afraid to get arrested.
See the sistem controls us, and the more tech we use, the better can they control us.
(sorry if i got a lil of the subject.)
At 3/27/05 04:38 AM, Gheyz0r wrote: I like the clown one man that clown was weird he kinda freaked me out ok so does anyone else think the clown made him do it
lol he created the clown... how could it make him do it...|
annyways the movies have nothijng to do with it
At 3/27/05 12:43 AM, Grecoism wrote:
its a shame that sometimes some of the smartist people are so messed up on the inside
i found this amusing. i shouldn't have opened this topic, because i know i would have to say something, lol. just to let you know, the smartest people in the world are the most capable of going insane. they know too much of the truth to bask in the bliss of ignorance.
Steering back onto this little thing. I find it funny how people are judging him now and blaming this, that and the other thing. there's this thing called RESPONSIBILITY. if you do something, you don't push the blame off on someone else or an inanimate object. if you do something, you are the sole blame for that action. i'm pretty sure he realized that and didn't stick around to receive consequence from a third party.
As for putting this on the site, i think it was a good idea. not to get attention, not to pull the media here, not for that database thing tom was talking about, but for a peek into this guy's mind. while it's only a vague reference, sometimes it's good to see through the eyes of the ones you fear.
As for taking it off the front page, i think it should stay until people are disinterested in it. i always look for things that will catch my attention on the front page, and this is no exception. Respect for the dead? yeah, they died and all, but i don't see where respect is deserved. you can miss somebody when they die, but i'm pretty sure i'm not gonna get any respect when a crackhead shoots me in the face for five dollars. people only want to give the dead respect when they're on tv, and i think that's disgusting, petty, and pathetic.
anyway, i know my opinion means like jack shit on here, and i've only posted like what, twice on this message board? i just wanted to say something, because of all these overhyped religious nuts, hate-mongers, hypocrites, and retards getting crazy because an ex-killer made flash animations. it just shows that even in times where we need to come together, we're still poking out each others' eyes with our blaming pointed fingers.
I am not saying I support what he did, in fact I think taking your anger out on others is a very bad thing. I hate the fact that art will always immitate life, but I think his parents should've paid more attention to him rather than say "oh it's just a phase." That's every parent's excuse for child that is acting up. My parents will always ask if anything is wrong and they will always pry it out of me (they're Cuban, they're good at these things.) They would always listen when I have something to say and they always respect my opinions. I think that's what Jeff's parents should've done. I think he was ignored and people, and I mean everyone hates being ignored. The way I see it, it was far from a cry for help, but he got all the attention he wanted. Instead of killing people to get attention, he should've been able to vent his anger through writing and art. I don't support what he did and what he did was very wrong.
As long as we're talking about it and trying to make sense of a tragedy, I think it will help us in the future on how to prevent something like this from ever happening. I agree with most posts, but someone saying that thst they support the gunman, I think that is unusual, but everyone is entitiled to their own opinion after all. It is a free country, or so we like to believe. That's my 2 cents.
Well, he was a neo nazi, that kinda points that he was just sick in the head to join! People who kill other people in murder are crazy to begin with! Dosent matter what you see on T.V, if the person couldent tell the difference between a production on T.V. and actually killing someone, then they're a nuthouse. But anyways, if he was real dark in school all the time, then that was a cry for help! That just shows what a bunch of shitheads people are!!! If you play Halo and shooters, and M rated games, It dosent mean anything! It all depends on how the person feels and acts!
damn October 2, 2004
Reviewed by: YoinK_VineS
Overall Score: 10
This is a very well animated flash movie with a lot of violence. this was insane, that guy killed almost everybody around even the kkk dude.
Graphics: 10 Sound: 8 Interactivity: 0 Style: 9 Violence: 10 Humor: 8
I'm a big fan of overkill.
No such thing as bad publicity, eh guys?
Did anyone spot the first review, with the response?
"This is a very well animated flash movie with a lot of violence. this was insane, that guy killed almost everybody around even the kkk dude.
I'm a big fan of overkill. "
To wear black is not a cry for help.
To make disturbing, and/or dark artwork is not a cry for help.
No, grabbing a gun, killing your grandparents, driving to school, and shooting your fellow students... that's a cry for help.
I personally wear lots of black. I have a black leather trenchcoat that goes down to my ankles, and I wear it often. If I had a dollar for every single individual that looks at me and decides I am either dangerous or messed up in the head merely because I wear black, I would be a rich man.
We live in a society where generalizations, stereotypes, and profiling run rampant. I am angry at Jeff Weise, because his actions are going to affect my life the same way the Columbine incident did: People are now going to associate my sense of style with ruthless killers. They're going to make wildly off base assumptions about me, that will affect the way they treat me. They're going to try to tell me, a grown man, to remove my trenchcoat in certain places because some mentally ill highschooler wearing one killed a few people.
However, I see a good thing about this killing, and that is the fact that people don't have anything to blame it on. Hopefully society is going to realize that the causes of incidents like these go way back into the life of the killer, their psychology, their childhood, and their peer groups. You can't point at Marilyn Manson or Doom or Counterstrike here, because there's nothing in the killings to link any such external influences to this.
This kid was fucked up in the head, mentally weak . He was probably treated like many kids are in the public school system today: poorly. Due to some pre-existing condition, and his lack of coping resources, his answer was to do what, in his mind, would repay all of his malefactors back times ten. You have here an occurence that is completely unavoidable with the way children are treated in schools and at home these days. Society wants to ignore all the fucked up shit it does to its members and blame their psychopathic killing sprees on other things like games, movies, books, and music... now it'll have to pay attention to what is so fucked up about itself. With what the average kid goes through during the highschool age these days, what with home life, peer groups and conformity issues, administrative abuse and mistreatment by teachers and principals, and discrimation from all sides... it is only inevitable that, by the law of averages, there are a few kids in the population of the world whose responses to these negative external conditions are to pick up a gun and start killing people. Honestly, does this shit surprise anyone any more? With what I knew of prevailing conditions in schools, with the way kids are treated and treat eachother, when I first caught wind of columbine my response was "yup. saw that coming."
How could I say this? Am I an angry person? No, I never formally attended a public or private highschool. I have been legally self taught since the age of nine. I have a perspective on public school social dynamics that is different. Never having been embroiled in the messes that perpetuate in the highschool environment, I have always been capable of observing highschool behavioral dynamics from a detached viewpoint. Thus, I was not surprised to find that some kids couldn't sit down and cope properly... the law of averages made it inevitable, that some day someone would be too mentally fucked up in the head to properly deal with the jock beating the shit out of them or the principal forcing them to wear certain clothing, or the teachers grading discriminatively against them.
Make no mistake, all of you: the environments prevailing today in highschools are disgusting, the attitudes held by students and administration alike are equally wrong headed.
This event is tragic, but it was in the coming, as is every school shooting in the future. They will become more common, they will get worse, and this will continue unabated until something is drastically changed in the way our education system works, and in the way parents raise their kids. Tolerance, acceptance, respect, and discipline are all things lacking in schools today, and were these factors present in any significant fashion in the social environments that have heretofore bred inimitable hate and rage, then none of these shootings would have happened.
If those kids walking through the halls viewed and treated eachother with respect, accepted eachother's differences in style, race, etcetera, tolerated the ill or the few who were disrespectful, and if they had the discipline to resist the urge to violence short of when it is absolutely necessary (This means: self defense), then I assert that none of this would have happened.
Too bad the United States is too ass-backwards to attempt to change the prevailing environment in schools today.