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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 16:00:03 Reply

At 3/23/05 03:19 PM, WadeFulp wrote: We have decided to experiment with a timer on the vote bar for users who watch entries that are "Under Judgment."

Yeah, I noticed that a while ago. It's a good thing to have for those people who don't watch the flash before they vote. Hopefully this will change the ammount of crap that gets through.


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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 16:20:04 Reply

that is a really good idea, im sick of people just opening the movie shutting it then makin a random vote on who they are or the file size

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 16:30:50 Reply

At 3/24/05 04:20 PM, Acethedealer wrote: that is a really good idea, im sick of people just opening the movie shutting it then makin a random vote on who they are or the file size

if people want, they will still open a movie file, close it, wait if they have and vote according to what they think (author's batting average, other movies he has etc.). this new system probably won't stop some of the cheater, but hopefully it will.


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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 16:44:00 Reply

I believe there will be a huge increase in flashes that are 5 Mb's of total shit 'cause of this rule, just to piss people off... I mean, what would be funnier in the eyes of a trouble maker than spamming the portal with 5 Mb shit flashes, forcing people to wait in order blam the shit? On the other hand, what are we in a hurry for? :)

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 16:49:32 Reply

I have few words of recommendation for your new function!
I know this is still beta but just in case if it becomes as a standard I have to tell you that there are some flash contributors that still don't optimize their flash movies/games they submit and at same time it could be a short file to watch or play. As a result constant monitors of flash portal will be losing time. So I don't think it would be a good thing to increase timing any further, but it would be a good idea to make a new flag option to your whistle system for those who provide flash portal with huge files and small content.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 16:56:28 Reply

At 3/23/05 03:19 PM, WadeFulp wrote: So a 5MB entry would result in the vote bar being hidden for about 50 seconds.

I noticed this, and while I do love the fact that it's making it harder to point whore, it also annoys me because generally it only takes me about 10 seconds to load an oversized movie and determine it's crap.

Furthermore I think it's going to encourage portal spam because now not only will artists be able to piss users off by submitting crap on purpose, they can slap an uncompressed mp3 in it or whatnot and make them have to wait for that cursed timer to finish before they can blam it.


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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 17:13:55 Reply

That's a great idea Mr. Wade.

People just seem to be blaming movies to get experiance or hurt people they have grudges agianst. This new system should be effective.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 17:29:06 Reply

At 3/24/05 04:20 PM, Acethedealer wrote: that is a really good idea, im sick of people just opening the movie shutting it then makin a random vote on who they are or the file size

It isn't an idea anymore. It is already being used.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 17:39:29 Reply

At 3/23/05 03:46 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Well, if we hide to much information it makes it impossible for people to figure out if the entry is stolen or not. Hopefully now that people are forced to wait, they won't bother looking at the profile and will just spend the time watching the entry and basing their decision on that.

You know, I think the idea of hiding everything is very appealing, at least in the first stages of judgement. Maybe after it is clear that an entry is doing well it could come another stage whereas it would be possible to blow the whistle if it was stolen.
I think that it´s quite the contrary, people might go fussing the author´s profile while the submission plays on the background and they wait for the voting pannel to show up. Anyway it´s nice to see the staff is thinking about that kind of stuff.
Also, it´s really weird when you submit something, because at the beginning everyone seems to vote 0 or 5, maybe we should think of something to counter that too.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 18:24:40 Reply

I think it's a good idea

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 18:50:45 Reply

I like it!
but for some reason i see the vote bar all the time.


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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 18:59:45 Reply

Would there be a way to make the movie window signal the voting panel when the movie is over? This way it won't show up until the movie is actually open.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 19:15:16 Reply

I don't like it. What if the video was like 5MB but very bad and I don't want to watch the rest of it, I still have to wait about 15 seconds. I think it should be shortened for longer flash videos.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 19:23:30 Reply

I think it's a great idea. I'm sick of seeing Flash get voted on unfairly. Not only is it unfair to the author, it's costing me points!

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 19:42:37 Reply

i think it is an extremely good idea because hopefully the bigger file sizes will be of better quality making people wait longer and possibly even make them watch it but its not also fail safe it depends on how fast of a connection someone has like a 5MB movie 50 secs will pass b/4 the thing is like 50% done for a 56k person

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 20:58:01 Reply

no the 5mb for 50 seconds is long enough, and it sucks espically when it's crap. I say lower it to 30 seconds or 20.


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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 21:14:46 Reply

dam....wade and tom are genious ;-) lol but whatever....good idea though, should be good for animator!


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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 21:35:04 Reply

Good idea...but hell, mine is still under review.... But I have noticed that I do infact have to actually watch the movie and not just blam, just becuse I dont like the author.. :-D

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 21:56:16 Reply

I think the new system is a decent idea, except a few problems exist.
Sometimes it is obvious a movie should be blammed without watching the whole thing. Some examples include truly horrid stick skate or tweening movies.
Worse yet, some movies last 10 seconds but have 2 minutes of music brining it to 5 mb.
Worse yet, some are really incredibly annoying flashes that one cannot bear to sit through for 50 seconds.
I hope these things are taken into mind.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-24 22:31:55 Reply

Sitting through the latest numa dance that was terrible was incredibly painful to wait for the 40 secs to blam. The bigger files should have a shorter wait time. I had to listen to at least half of the terrible masked face and song.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 00:48:18 Reply

has anyone actually suggested that the vote panel not even appear until the flash is completely viewed? how about having the panel appear in the flash window, at the end of the flash? im sure liljim prolly thought of this, but its not possible, somehow.

i know at the bottom of every flash window is an ad, why not have something auto added to the flash file that when it loads, it tells the vote panel to only appear after it been fully viewed?

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 00:54:12 Reply

At 3/24/05 06:59 PM, jacobsd wrote: Would there be a way to make the movie window signal the voting panel when the movie is over? This way it won't show up until the movie is actually open.

shit.... sorry, didnt see your post.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 01:40:41 Reply

I think it's a really good idea. I don't think any authors would object. And it is fair.
I have seen many votes and comments which are just plain stupid.
So if i were an author i would like to have my movie rated fairly.
The only people who are going to complain are the ones responsible forthis behaviour.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 01:58:38 Reply

At 3/23/05 03:37 PM, Tremour wrote: It's always nice to see you combat the scourage that is unfair voting. Go you, Cruasader Wade.

No, seriously though, more could be done. For one, you could hide the fact that the author has made any other flash. Some people just look down and go "Oh, this guy has gotten [x] flashes past judgement, he must be good, I guess I'll vote high" and vice-versa for people with a grand total of, wait for it, 0 submissions. Another thing you could do is disable access to the author's profile during judgement, as it contains the battling average (or lack of) of the author. Hell, if you wanted to go the whole hog, you could remove all details completely, including the authors name. Only the movie and voting panel would be displayed, meaning there would be no prejudice, what so ever. Well, apart from the preloader.

I agree, in fact I posted that idea 11 days ago /www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=242567
too many entries are either blammed or saved just on authors track record
to that effect i absolutely love the delay and think a minimum delay of 15 to 30 seconds would even be better!

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 02:07:41 Reply

i notcied that also

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 02:40:46 Reply

At 3/23/05 03:19 PM, WadeFulp wrote: a whole lot o letters

It's kinda irritating, because a few days ago I saw an entry with 4 MB but with only 30 seconds of movie (crappy) and the size was completely sounds that weren't even used.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 04:45:01 Reply

This is a good idea. I hate it when people vote based on the first few seconds, or the comments, or the author etc etc. Good job on making the portal a safer and fairer place for everyone :-P.
I suppose, if worse comes to worse, and we blam a movie that is actually really good, you mods can always bring it back right? And also vice-versa. Just thinking...

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 05:09:22 Reply

I can understand you HAVE to watch the entire flash, but what if it's a 10 second movie with a 4MB soundfile playing...? I've seen this yesterday and it's not very nice to watch for at least 30 seconds before I could vote. :S
Ofcourse this system prevents people from blamming a movie just because it has a crappy preloader etc., but now people can abuse this system by uploading small animations with a very very big audio file behind it.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 08:34:19 Reply

Click da link in my BBS signature, LOLZ. The delay is better, because it FORCES you to watch it.


ffs. that is all.

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Response to Under Judgment Voting 2005-03-25 08:36:40 Reply

Good move alot of people just vote 0 to get there blam points without even watching the movie