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IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 13:57:35 Reply

Tom has just called me from the IGF. He is very disappointed as it appears the event is NOT free to the public. For more details visit IGF.COM

However, Tom's talk at South by Southwest in Texas IS free to the public. So try and catch him there if you are in the area!

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ATTENTION PORTAL ARTISTS: I have selected all entries that are under administrative review to be deleted during our clean up script tomorrow morning. Keep in mind a ton of entries are flagged for review and it is very hard for us to check every single one. If your entry is removed and you felt it was unfairly flagged please do not take this personally. Simply review our rules on the Portal submit page to make sure your entry was not in violation. If it is, please correct any violations before resubmitting your work. Also make sure you put credits to yourself in your entries in the beginning and end. This is very important. You should include your NG username, website, and email address if you have made your email address public to other NG users. This way our Portal viewers can confirm you are the owner of the Flash and won't blow the whistle on it thinking it's stolen.

Also I will be lifting all of the review bans this week. I still have a few thousand abusive reviews to clear out. PLEASE read the review guidelines before you submit a review to Newgrounds. It only takes one bad review to get you banned and under our current system you may be banned for several months. We are trying to reduce ban times and eventually we will have a much better system to deal with reviews and banned reviewers.

We still have some people spamming links. Keep in mind if you try and post a link in your review you will be hit with a SPAM ban, rather than a general ban. When I confirm you have posted a link in your review your account will be terminated and your IP maybe banned from Newgrounds.com.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that Newgrounds.com is a huge site with many active users. As the site grows we will have less tolerance for users who want to screw around and create problems. If you cause trouble we will terminate your account. This includes people who enjoy spamming the Portal with crap Flash and try and find creative ways to win Turd of the Week, Underdog, etc.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 13:59:02 Reply

First. Sowwy :D

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:00:10 Reply

Well, everyone gets another chance at reviewing, I guess that's cool.....or not :-\ Depends.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:01:02 Reply

*posts outwar link*

lol, j/k

^__^

Sounds good, though. However, I love reading those reviews that are like, "DOWNLOAD THE FULL GAME HERE- [link]!!" And its not even a game, its a movie or something, lol.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:03:46 Reply

thats fine with me

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:04:35 Reply

Will we get the blam/protect points from that?

At 3/9/05 02:00 PM, DemonHybrid wrote: Well, everyone gets another chance at reviewing, I guess that's cool.....or not :-\ Depends.

If you made that your first post, you wouldn't have looked such a douche.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:05:08 Reply

Good to hear from you Wade on these issues and it sounds like there are about to be alot of silver whistles out there. Well more than there already are that is...

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:05:23 Reply

At 3/9/05 01:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: ATTENTION PORTAL ARTISTS: I have selected all entries that are under administrative review to be deleted during our clean up script tomorrow morning. Keep in mind a ton of entries are flagged for review and it is very hard for us to check every single one. If your entry is removed and you felt it was unfairly flagged please do not take this personally. Simply review our rules on the Portal submit page to make sure your entry was not in violation. If it is, please correct any violations before resubmitting your work. Also make sure you put credits to yourself in your entries in the beginning and end. This is very important. You should include your NG username, website, and email address if you have made your email address public to other NG users. This way our Portal viewers can confirm you are the owner of the Flash and won't blow the whistle on it thinking it's stolen.

Wow. That would clean the Portal indeed. Maybe you should make a new moderator function, so they can do that work for you...

Also I will be lifting all of the review bans this week. I still have a few thousand abusive reviews to clear out. PLEASE read the review guidelines before you submit a review to Newgrounds. It only takes one bad review to get you banned and under our current system you may be banned for several months. We are trying to reduce ban times and eventually we will have a much better system to deal with reviews and banned reviewers.

I'm not so sure that would help. I mean, does people who were banned - and were banned for a very good reason - will probally begin again. So then you'll need to ban them again.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that Newgrounds.com is a huge site with many active users. As the site grows we will have less tolerance for users who want to screw around and create problems. If you cause trouble we will terminate your account. This includes people who enjoy spamming the Portal with crap Flash and try and find creative ways to win Turd of the Week, Underdog, etc.

Yeah, you seriously should keep an eye on that. It's also an hot topic in the BBS. Because a user is submitting crap after crap.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:05:59 Reply

At 3/9/05 01:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Tom has just called me from the IGF. He is very disappointed as it appears the event is NOT free to the public. For more details visit IGF.COM

Well that sucks to all of those who wanted to go that are in the area. I don't see the ticket price anywhere on the page. But at least AH is a contender, and so it Gish. Should be a good show.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:09:29 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:05 PM, Zendra wrote: Wow. That would clean the Portal indeed. Maybe you should make a new moderator function, so they can do that work for you...

You think? We already want to do this. We have wanted to do this for a long time. There are many features we want to add to the site. The problem is these things take time and LilJim is very busy with more important features. Hopefully once some of the major new features he's working on are done we can spend some time beefing up our moderator tools.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:10:19 Reply

At 3/9/05 01:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: SPAM ban ........ your IP maybe banned from Newgrounds.com.

I see you guys are taking the link spamming situation very seriously. Well, I haven't been seeing too many links in reviews lately, so something must be going right. Then again, I haven't visited the dating sims section in a very long time, which is where most link spammers dwell. Something you've got to watch out for though, is people trying to decieve the systm by putting spaces between the letters. Some of these people can be relentless.

This includes people who enjoy spamming the Portal with crap Flash and try and find creative ways to win Turd of the Week, Underdog

You mean like switching files after judgement ? Mass voting via proxies ?

Familiarity rears its head, here.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:19:16 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:09 PM, WadeFulp wrote: You think? We already want to do this. We have wanted to do this for a long time. There are many features we want to add to the site. The problem is these things take time and LilJim is very busy with more important features. Hopefully once some of the major new features he's working on are done we can spend some time beefing up our moderator tools.

I understand it takes time. :)
But I never heard of plans like this before. I hope it will be done soon, because each day more submissions are added to the Portal. So the flagged submissions also keep increasing.

And what about the review moderators? Will they be able to delete reviews soon too? Then it would be a lot easier for you too and the problem can be solved very easy and at the moment.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:36:14 Reply

Ummm.. Wade, what if we post a link in relevance to our review. Like someone dosn't have sound effects in thier video so i say "O you can get some cool sound effects from this www.flashkit.com", would you get your account deleted for that ? Cause to be honest, I've done that before, and I don't think my account should be deleted for it :(


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:37:35 Reply

You can always count on me ^^
Anyway:

"This includes people who enjoy spamming the Portal with crap Flash and try and find creative ways to win Turd of the Week, Underdog, etc. "
A perfect exemple of a user like this is Piconjo, right? And I don't think you will delete his account. Just dunno

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:39:58 Reply

now you just said a bunch of stuff that don't get.... sorry


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:43:44 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:19 PM, Zendra wrote: And what about the review moderators? Will they be able to delete reviews soon too? Then it would be a lot easier for you too and the problem can be solved very easy and at the moment.

That sounds like a bad idea IF it's not controlled.

It would be a great tool for a fair review mod and a great weapon for a mod that uses it for personnal reasons.

It could easily be abused for increasing the overall reviewing scores of their submissions or the submissions of an artist that they love, they could also start deleting reviews of an user that they dislike. Even fair mods wouldn't have the time to justify all their deletions in the review mod lounge simply because there would be too many deletions to explain.

I know that most review mods are fair but all types of situations should be considered.

If the review mods get the deletion option then how will you guys make sure that they won't abuse it?

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:45:44 Reply

At 3/9/05 01:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Also I will be lifting all of the review bans this week. I still have a few thousand abusive reviews to clear out. PLEASE read the review guidelines before you submit a review to Newgrounds. It only takes one bad review to get you banned and under our current system you may be banned for several months. We are trying to reduce ban times and eventually we will have a much better system to deal with reviews and banned reviewers.

Thank God. I suggest that you cut the the ban times to 1 month. Review bans should be longer than BBS bans. It's still long period for punishment and learning the rules, but not too long. Well, I'm glad I actually got review banned... I've learned my lection. Never never never again visit Newgrounds and review on a bad day :o)

Whatever... my reviews were always polite, but I was f*cking tired that day... Crap. Whatever. Won't happen again :)

At 3/9/05 01:59 PM, DemonHybrid wrote: First. Sowwy :D

You know this is considered spam and should be reported to a moderator? Now you know. You've been reported. Have a nice day.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:51:20 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:45 PM, juraj wrote: You know this is considered spam and should be reported to a moderator? Now you know. You've been reported. Have a nice day.

~juraj

Craaaaaap. Sorry on this. Why I always have to flame when I'm happy?

*bites the tongue*

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 14:52:31 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:43 PM, EKRegulus wrote:
If the review mods get the deletion option then how will you guys make sure that they won't abuse it?

Well one thing they could do, is make it so any review/submission in question, has to be approved for deletion by several mods, like 3 or there abouts. Make it so each has to agree to the deletion before it can take place. It may slow the deletion process down somewhat, but it would still be a great deal quicker than the current situation.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:04:18 Reply

So, EVERYONE gets unreview banned? and all flagged submissions deleted? sweet to hear some cleaning up going around. :)

I was already unreview banned by Liljim, think of it as one less person to have to deal with. ;D

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:08:31 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:52 PM, Tremour wrote: Well one thing they could do, is make it so any review/submission in question, has to be approved for deletion by several mods, like 3 or there abouts. Make it so each has to agree to the deletion before it can take place. It may slow the deletion process down somewhat, but it would still be a great deal quicker than the current situation.

That's a pretty good solution. It's also a very simple one.

Then again it was a suggestion by Zendra so we (normal users) don't know if the review mods will ever receive that tool.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:10:24 Reply

At 3/9/05 01:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Everyone needs to keep in mind that Newgrounds.com is a huge site with many active users. As the site grows we will have less tolerance for users who want to screw around and create problems. If you cause trouble we will terminate your account. This includes people who enjoy spamming the Portal with crap Flash and try and find creative ways to win Turd of the Week, Underdog, etc.

Ahhh, this paragraph was very refreshing to read. I'm glad a little more emphasis is given to regulating the quality of the submissions as well as the quality of reviews, etc.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:11:21 Reply

cool. too bad nothing i have submitted has gotten in anyway.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:18:35 Reply

At 3/9/05 01:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: This includes people who enjoy spamming the Portal with crap Flash and try and find creative ways to win Turd of the Week, Underdog, etc.

Well Wade, Im pretty sure -Err0r has 2 flagged movies on his account, but he continues to submit to the portal with his alt account.

Im almost positive that -Err0r has 2 flagged flashes.. and im certain that using an alt to evade bans is a huge no-no.

-Err0r is also banned from reviewing, but seems to be quite content with reviewing on his alt account(s) as well... his LOL LMAO ROFL's are changed during judgment.. and arent funny at all... I thought you also made a rule about that >B(

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:31:22 Reply

My brother and friend will be very happy that they can review again. Neither of them know why.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:34:59 Reply

Can reviews like

it sucked
MasterStalker's review-------------overall: 0
I hated it
all catigories: 0

be considered abusive? because I'm not sure. If so, I'll have to go on a crazy flagging spree. I know of a few people who do this and its not far to the artist to not have the constructive critisism they earned.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:36:13 Reply

Is it me or does Wade seem a bit more angry than he used to be. He flames alot of people now, more specifically calling many people "retards" and so forth. Plus the way he wrote this post now doesn't seem to be too friendly

dont ban me wade!

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:37:35 Reply

Personally, I think the reviewing guidelines don't need to be any looser. Recidivism is almost a given- people who goof around with links to porn and *shudder* Outwar will most likely NOT stop. The same goes for people posting crap like "OMG U SUCK! BLAM THIS!!!111one one" I'm not saying that these people should never have a ban lifted, but I think a three-strikes you're out policy might be nice (unless I'm just not in the know, and there's one already in place). I also wouldn't really shed a tear if they weren't able to review for a few months.

For crap's sake, why does anyone HAVE to review? It's a REVIEW, not a COMMENT box. Reviews are for other people to read, not for someone to masturbate their ego by spamming worthless crap.

Anyways, on a lighter note, I'm going to try to make it to IGF tomorrow as I'm nearby SF. However, I checked the site and I couldn't find mention of the price; maybe I'm blind, but perhaps you could tell us how much admission is? Good luck on everything else, Wade.


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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:48:36 Reply

...Umm..... Can I be a review mod Wade? Err.. if there is need for more that is. Everyone who knows me, knows no one hates abusive reviews more then I do. I even hate the ones I've left. Which are actually more retarded then abusive.... :D In fact I might be just a bit to active if I were a review mod...

Well hopefully you'll consider it.

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Response to IGF Update & Misc. Stuff 2005-03-09 15:52:35 Reply

At 3/9/05 02:52 PM, Tremour wrote:
At 3/9/05 02:43 PM, EKRegulus wrote:
If the review mods get the deletion option then how will you guys make sure that they won't abuse it?
Well one thing they could do, is make it so any review/submission in question, has to be approved for deletion by several mods, like 3 or there abouts.

I doubt that would be necessary. Why would the review mods abuse their power like that? Plus, there are TONS of heavily abusive reviews out there, and it would be best to delete them as efficiently as possible.

I think the policy is a little harsh on reviewers trying to post links. I know they're very annoying, but is it always necessary to delete their accounts instantly? Obviously, there are people who join NG for the simple purpose to advertise via reviews and BBS posts, and who have no other interest in the site whatsoever. There's no reason why these users should keep their accounts. However, when it comes to someone who simply appears to have forgotten to read the rules, I think account deletion would seem pretty unfair. I guess they can only blame theirselves though. They must be blind if they fail to see that huge warning text in the review window.