US soldiers shoot Itailian hostage

[Stresskillingme]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/.../04/italianhostage-050304.html
Ya 10 bucks says they went speeding just the soldiers paniced.

[bcdemon]

Sad and shocking, but certainly not surprising.

[Demosthenez]

The guy probably had pasta and didnt want to share it.

[Kasualty]

you didnt even read the article did you!?

[Ravens-Grin]

What if that car was a car bomber? How can the soldiers tell the difference? Why did the vehicle not slow down even after warning shots were fired? Was the shot into the passenger cabin to kill the people in it or into the engine block to disable the vehicle? Think about the situation and why people did what they did, and then come back to reality.

[bcdemon]

Oh stop Ravens, this is normal shit for the us military. Hell Canada hadn't lost an active servicemember for over 52 years until we teamed up with your guys in Afghanistan, lost 4 in an instant. Loose Cannons comes to mind when I think of american soldier. And thats what leads to actions like this. And come on, can ya blame them for speeding, she was a freakin hostage just released from insurgent capture.

[pheonix-blaze]

Our country isn't very poular these days..... is it?

[Yoogle]

Us marine motto: ''shoot first ask question later, and if you kill some civils blame it on collateral damage''

They should of slowed down or stoped says warning shots where fired hand signals where used and lights where flashed a check point isnt hard to see there like barricades of your going to try to ram thru one expect geting shot up

[Samuel-HALL]

At 3/4/05 08:04 PM, bcdemon wrote: And come on, can ya blame them for speeding, she was a freakin hostage just released from insurgent capture.

Yes, I can blame them. They got what they deserved, for intentionally not stopping at a US checkpoint.
As the car approached, US soldiers waved their hands, and yelled warnings. They tried to flash lights, as warnings. They fired one or two warning shots into the hood and fender of the car. Yet, the maniac driver STILL wouldn't stop. So, because their hands were tied, the US soldiers had to follow protocol, and shoot into the engine block.

I applaud the US soldiers for standing by protocol.

At 3/4/05 08:10 PM, hit_the_light wrote: Us marine motto: ''shoot first ask question later, and if you kill some civils blame it on collateral damage''

The driver of the car intentionally avoided every attempt at a US warning. He ignored the waving arms, and hand signals, and the lights. He ignored the shouts from the soldiers. He even ignored the warning shots.
Again, they got what they deserved. It's not a choice, whether you want to stop at the US checkpoint. You don't get an option: You stop, or we fire on you.

[subpar]

At 3/4/05 08:04 PM, bcdemon wrote: And come on, can ya blame them for speeding,

If you can forgive the Italians for speeding towards the Americans in a war zone, then you can forgive the Americans for shooting at a vehicle that was speeding towards them. Believe what you want, but in this situation, the Americans are only stupid if the Italian hostages were stupider.

[PLUSgood]

At 3/4/05 07:40 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: What if that car was a car bomber? How can the soldiers tell the difference? Why did the vehicle not slow down even after warning shots were fired? Was the shot into the passenger cabin to kill the people in it or into the engine block to disable the vehicle? Think about the situation and why people did what they did, and then come back to reality.

I can't blame them for what they did but the shots into the engine are the ones that killed the Italian bodygaurd. at least thats what it sounded like when i heard it on the news.

[Yoogle]

so tell me if they were speeding and got shoot and had warning at why didnt they stop?

[Samuel-HALL]

At 3/4/05 08:27 PM, PLUSgood wrote: I can't blame them for what they did but the shots into the engine are the ones that killed the Italian bodygaurd. at least thats what it sounded like when i heard it on the news.

Would you have liked it if they fired through the windsheild, killing everyone in the car?
The reason WHY the protocol is to shoot the engine block is this: The chances of unneccesary casualties is reduced by shooting the engine block, as oppossed to shooting doors, windsheilds, and tires.

At 3/4/05 08:30 PM, hit_the_light wrote: so tell me if they were speeding and got shoot and had warning at why didnt they stop?

Who the fuck knows? Maybe they felt they weren't under the jurisdiction of the US Army. Maybe they were simply concerned with leaving, and decided the checkpoint was not as important as escape.
Who the fuck care's WHY they didn't stop? They were given warnings, and the continued speeding towards a checkpoint. They were wrong, and recieved proper recourse.

[PLUSgood]

At 3/4/05 08:38 PM, Damien_FLAGG wrote:

At 3/4/05 08:27 PM, PLUSgood wrote: I can't blame them for what they did but the shots into the engine are the ones that killed the Italian bodygaurd. at least thats what it sounded like when i heard it on the news.

are you retarded? the point of my statement was even though they followed protocal they managed to kill somone. ( read the previous posts.)

[PLUSgood]

and the other queastion. They were going down one of the most dangerous roads in Iraq with a woman reporter that had just been realeased and i bet they wanted to make sure she got outsafe. Obviously that was a bad idea.

[Samuel-HALL]

At 3/4/05 08:43 PM, PLUSgood wrote:

At 3/4/05 08:38 PM, Damien_FLAGG wrote:

At 3/4/05 08:27 PM, PLUSgood wrote: I can't blame them for what they did but the shots into the engine are the ones that killed the Italian bodygaurd. at least thats what it sounded like when i heard it on the news.

are you retarded? the point of my statement was even though they followed protocal they managed to kill somone. ( read the previous posts.)

Well, that's tough shit. Maybe, if the driver had complied, and stopped at the checkpoint, no one would have been hurt.

At 3/4/05 08:48 PM, PLUSgood wrote: and the other queastion. They were going down one of the most dangerous roads in Iraq with a woman reporter that had just been realeased and i bet they wanted to make sure she got outsafe. Obviously that was a bad idea.

You raise a good point. Why did they take the most dangerous road in Iraq? And why would they act the way they did, knowing they were on the most dangerous road in Iraq?

[Proteas]

At 3/4/05 08:43 PM, PLUSgood wrote: the point of my statement was even though they followed protocal they managed to kill somone. ( read the previous posts.)

It's called deadly force. U.S. Soldiers are authorized to use it in order to stop any car who's driver refuses to stop at a check point, even if that means killing the occupants. Makes sense, doesn't it?

[PLUSgood]

IT was the road to the Airport. im guessing there are not many entrences for security and had to take the road, but thats a guess.

[Jimsween]

Okay, bcdemon is obviously retarded.

Can you blame them for speeding? WTF? If your not going to blame them for speeding, then you certainly cannot blame the US soldiers for firing upon them. If the US soldiers are such loose cannons, then howcome somany carbombs keep going off, logically if they were triggy happy they would get almost all of the actual threats.

[PLUSgood]

At 3/4/05 08:57 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 3/4/05 08:43 PM, PLUSgood wrote: the point of my statement was even though they followed protocal they managed to kill somone. ( read the previous posts.)

It's called deadly force. U.S. Soldiers are authorized to use it in order to stop any car who's driver refuses to stop at a check point, even if that means killing the occupants. Makes sense, doesn't it?

yes it does. obviously you aren't understanding the point of my post. it was that it was to bad that somone. And if you read my previous post i say that i cant blame them. you even manage to quote the post and include the part were i say "read the previous posts" and you would have found what im saying now,

[Samuel-HALL]

So, all you were saying is 'it's a shame someone died'?

That seems like a really irrelevant thing to say...

[PLUSgood]

At 3/4/05 09:06 PM, Damien_FLAGG wrote: So, all you were saying is 'it's a shame someone died'?

That seems like a really irrelevant thing to say...

well thats all i mention in the last post, but i set out to say that its okay that they shot and they were able to follow precedure and not meaning to disable the car one of the bullets hot a person. the person part was just more background i guess.

[night-watch-man18]

Yeah, I just saw this on the BBC News tonight... that's what you get for putting a group of 18 year olds behind triggers.

They claimed they fired warning shots... uh huh... Suuuure they did. And even if they did, the people may not have known that it was the Americans who were firing, and then even if they knew it was the Americans firing, they would not necessarily know for what purpose (does a warning shot sound any different than one directed at an enemy militia?).

The question that came to my mind right away when I saw it on the news... Why were the US troops not warned about the arrival of the reporter?!?!?! Hmmm, you would think that this would be good information to know, just so incidents like this don't occurr.

So now the Italians are pissed... "America... Fuck yeah!!!"

[Proteas]

At 3/4/05 09:04 PM, PLUSgood wrote: obviously you aren't understanding the point of my post. it was that it was to bad that somone [died]. And if you read my previous post i say that i cant blame them [for speeding].

All right, we're clear then.

As far as the whole topic goes, yes it's a shame that one was killed and another was injured. But I'm just wondering why they decided to speed through the checkpoint in the first place; if you've been in Iraq more than a month, you know to STOP at one of these checkpoints. And not only to stop, but that they are manned by friendly (assuming you don't provoke them) American soldiers who are willing to help out their allies.

[Jimsween]

At 3/4/05 09:15 PM, night_watch_man18 wrote: They claimed they fired warning shots... uh huh... Suuuure they did. And even if they did, the people may not have known that it was the Americans who were firing, and then even if they knew it was the Americans firing, they would not necessarily know for what purpose (does a warning shot sound any different than one directed at an enemy militia?).

You have absolutely no evidence that they didn't. The fact that you automatically assume they didn't makes me assume your just out to make the soldiers look bad. And as for them not being able to know if it was a warning shot, well then they should have been paying more attention, maybe the roadblock ahead would give some indication.

The question that came to my mind right away when I saw it on the news... Why were the US troops not warned about the arrival of the reporter?!?!?! Hmmm, you would think that this would be good information to know, just so incidents like this don't occurr.

Maybe the Italians didn't tell them?

[bcdemon]

ROFL I'm retarded? HAHAHA you're the fucktard who would take a sunday lollygag through Baghdad just after getting your freedom back from insurgents. Maybe stop off at a cafe and grab a mocha-late, ya know, brag a bit. She was just released hours ago, excuse her if she wanted to get the fuck out ASAP. Dumbass.

Excuse me if I don't take the word of a US soldier for fact before hearing any other reports, they tend to look out for thier best interest first.

[bcdemon]

At 3/4/05 09:20 PM, Proteas wrote: But I'm just wondering why they decided to speed through the checkpoint in the first place

Through? They didn't speed "through" the checkpoint. And they couldnt stop "AT" the checkpoint like you and damien say, they never reached the checkpoint.

[VerseChorusVerse]

I think it's a real tragedy, but I certainly do not hold American soldiers responsible. The car was speeding at night, and to them, it looked quite suspicious. I think it's terrible that her escort was killed, though. v_v But I really don't think that anyone can be "blamed" for this.

[Jimsween]

At 3/4/05 09:33 PM, bcdemon wrote: ROFL I'm retarded? HAHAHA you're the fucktard who would take a sunday lollygag through Baghdad just after getting your freedom back from insurgents. Maybe stop off at a cafe and grab a mocha-late, ya know, brag a bit. She was just released hours ago, excuse her if she wanted to get the fuck out ASAP. Dumbass.

So she was driving the car?

Stopping at a checkpoint isn't exactly grabing a mocha-late.

Excuse me if I don't take the word of a US soldier for fact before hearing any other reports, they tend to look out for thier best interest first.

Thats not what I'm complaining about. You didn't just not take the word of a US soldier, you assume the exact opposite of what he said is true. You assume something with absolutely no evidence.