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Noble causes are stuff like cancer research and the nspcc, not some ira members looking to kick up a fuss. Churchill offered ireland northern ireland if they fought with the allies in ww2, they refused it saying they didnt want northern ireland.

At 3/4/05 08:02 PM, ctrlkey wrote:

At 3/4/05 09:17 AM, Gregg_Dix wrote:

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I believe you have to know the FACTS before you begin ranting or whatever your trying to accomplish here.

1) you know England is not stopping Northern Ireland from joining the south....the english could care less. Norther Ireland WANTS to stay with England. Yes, they do.

2) How can you say that they should give N. Ireland back to the irish ppl? How can you say the south of ireland is the "true" irish. You know why they sometimes call the south the black irish? they cal lthem that because the majority of people from Southern Ireland or have south heritage, are from spain. THATS RIGHT YOU HEARD ME. The spanish immigrated to the South of Ireland, so why not just call the south "The Republic of Spain". The majority of people in the North immigrated their from Scotland, so theirs more celtic in their blood.

3) the IRA is a terrorist group, honestly, they are fanatics who believe that ireland should be united....ireland would not of been divided but the people in the South wanted to break away. ...hypicrits.

You dont seem to know your facts either fuck nuts.
1st of all half of Northern Ireland does want to be re-united with the south because half of them are from true Irish heritage, the other half a prodies from Brittan brought over when we tried to fight back against the wankers. They brought Land lords over to Ulster to use us a slaves.

And then you call us fucking spanish!? You are a stupid fuck arnt you. Less than 1% of Irish has any spanish heritage. A very small amount of them landed in Ireland. We are Celts and Vikings mixed to make our race. Just like Britan. You get your fucking facts right you fucking fool!

Don' like Canada, Me Either;I'll have you know I am one of many C.B.L.A. (Cape Breton Liberation Army) members. our general, John Cabot Trail -down with the causeway;spit- has been planning on our linking up with the I.R.A. to see if we can blow up the canso causeway and allow Cape Breton to be the Sovereign Nation it deserves to be. We have so far stayed under the Yankee radar for terrorist organizations. (Damn clever don't you think) And even had plans on taking over Canada's Military hardware to further our cause- but the damn Afgan war thing happened and the goverment sent our helicopter and both our tanks over there, so it looks like we have to wait for our plans of conquest to go forward. I have to go the Gov. has just required everyone to register their guns and I don't want to break the law yet. (part of the clever plan)
but watch out for us in the future, if we ever decide to stop meeting in bars we might become a force to be ----- sorry it's my round.

Long live Sinn Fein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 3/4/05 08:02 PM, ctrlkey wrote: 2) How can you say that they should give N. Ireland back to the irish ppl? How can you say the south of ireland is the "true" irish. You know why they sometimes call the south the black irish? they cal lthem that because the majority of people from Southern Ireland or have south heritage, are from spain. THATS RIGHT YOU HEARD ME. The spanish immigrated to the South of Ireland, so why not just call the south "The Republic of Spain". The majority of people in the North immigrated their from Scotland, so theirs more celtic in their blood.

The 'black Irish' are actually the sons and daughters of the crew of the Spanish Armada that tried to sail around Ireland and attack England from the north. The aramda got caught in a horrible storm and crashed on the banks of Ireland. I wouldn't say that a "majority" of people from the Republic of Ireland are people are 'black Irish' though.

At 3/4/05 09:17 AM, Gregg_Dix wrote: Ok, the IRA is #5 on the world terrorsit list. I dont fully agree with them being there.

1. They were taken over by England, Ireland was then given back the southern half of irleland.

2. Some Irishmen fight back, forming the Sinn Fein / IRA

3. They began killing goverment officials (just like during any rebellion)

4. They began setting bombs in places with innocents when they dont get what tthey want

5. The World Calls them "terrorists"


I am not so sure on either side, but I think England should give back Northern Ireland to the Irish People.

U faggot the I.R.A bombed my dads workplace killing 3 people and they weren't a goverment group they weren't a place of any significance

they were a insurance company

so that just shows you

terrorists

At 3/19/05 06:13 PM, Lavaking wrote:

At 3/4/05 09:17 AM, Gregg_Dix wrote: Ok, the IRA is #5 on the world terrorsit list. I dont fully agree with them being there.

1. They were taken over by England, Ireland was then given back the southern half of irleland.

2. Some Irishmen fight back, forming the Sinn Fein / IRA

3. They began killing goverment officials (just like during any rebellion)

4. They began setting bombs in places with innocents when they dont get what tthey want

5. The World Calls them "terrorists"


I am not so sure on either side, but I think England should give back Northern Ireland to the Irish People.

U faggot the I.R.A bombed my dads workplace killing 3 people and they weren't a goverment group they weren't a place of any significance

they were a insurance company

so that just shows you

terrorists

Bull shit! The IRA is an army, they killed 3 people so fucking what. The reason they do this is because we lost land that was ours. They fight for a reason not for money like most terroists. Aswell as that say the IRA have killed less than 0.0001% the amount of Irish people killed by English over the last few hundred years. They also ruined our country, we kill a few people and we are the bad people? Prodesant groups like the UVF are killing more people to date than the IRA. The UVF conducted bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, extortion, and robberies. Before its 1994 cease-fire, targets included Northern Irish Nationalist paramilitary groups. We are not the bad people ok? You all dont know shit I really cant look at this topic anymore its pissing me off so much. Fucking Idiots.

At 3/20/05 10:10 AM, Garnoman wrote:

Bull shit! The IRA is an army, they killed 3 people so fucking what.

Are you condoning terrorism? Fucking moron.

At 3/20/05 10:21 AM, jonthomson wrote:

At 3/20/05 10:10 AM, Garnoman wrote:

Bull shit! The IRA is an army, they killed 3 people so fucking what.

yes the whole point which you seemed to miss by a mile, is that the three who died were most probably nothing to do with the irish struggle, unless you see killing innocent civilians ok?

Its funny how hypocritical america is though, through big companies ( mcdonalds... etc) they fund the ira, now they have a minor incident which they blow out of all proportion and they have a war on terrorism. why not have this war before? The words knee jerk and reaction comes to mind.

Sorry for the double post,

You say your trying to get back land that was yours? Even though churchill offered it to southern ireland in ww2 to get you to fight against germany, which you turned down saying you didnt want it. If you wanted the land back, surely that would have been the oppportune moment to have it?

What I'm waiting for is to see how long it is going to take Bush to take his 'war on terrorism' and 'target' the IRA.

He wont.

At 3/20/05 11:43 AM, Jonowales wrote: He wont.

I know he won't. It was sort of a rhetorical statement to prove a point about his 'war on terrorism'.

At 3/20/05 11:34 AM, Jonowales wrote:

At 3/20/05 10:21 AM, jonthomson wrote:

At 3/20/05 10:10 AM, Garnoman wrote:

Bull shit! The IRA is an army, they killed 3 people so fucking what.

yes the whole point which you seemed to miss by a mile, is that the three who died were most probably nothing to do with the irish struggle, unless you see killing innocent civilians ok?

Its funny how hypocritical america is though, through big companies ( mcdonalds... etc) they fund the ira, now they have a minor incident which they blow out of all proportion and they have a war on terrorism. why not have this war before? The words knee jerk and reaction comes to mind.

I know I said I wouldnt post here again but just cause I was angry at the time :) Ok so lets talk, first to johnston or whatever, you didnt read what I said obvioulsy and you dont have a clue about whats going on up Northern Ireland so shush and I couldnt give a fuck if your a mod.

Now welsh fella. Well you know some history anyway which is good, but you got one thing wrong. Churchill did not promise us Northen Ireland back what he said was if Ireland join the war then he will consider talking about giving Northern Ireland back, DeValera knew well that there was no way wer were going to get it back. Then I can quote him saying "it would have being very easy to invade Ireland during the war and one of my big mistakes was not doing it, it would have saved lives and money". Now come on after he had it planned to invade us do you really think he was going to give back the north?

Eh what else did you say... Yeah about the civilians getting killed, well you see alot more innocent catholics are dying to the UVF than prodesants to the IRA. The only reason the UVF is not seeing as terrorists is because they are linked to Britan. Its all bullshit really. The reason the IRA see the need to kill innocent people because it is being done to us Irish back in the North. People think its all the IRA and it just takes them to stop, there very wrong. George Bush knows that he has nothing to do with America so he wont get involved, he promised he would but there empty promises. Read over that and I will keep talking about it.

At 3/20/05 04:37 PM, Garnoman wrote: <stuff/>

So if the UVF kill innocents it's ok for the IRA to do it?

Two wrongs do not make a right.

I also agree with LeapOfFaith, the people of Northern Ireland should be able to vote on whether they stay with Britain or join the republic. Surely you can't have a problem with that?

At 3/20/05 04:44 PM, SkyCube wrote:

At 3/20/05 04:37 PM, Garnoman wrote: <stuff/>

So if the UVF kill innocents it's ok for the IRA to do it?

Two wrongs do not make a right.

I also agree with LeapOfFaith, the people of Northern Ireland should be able to vote on whether they stay with Britain or join the republic. Surely you can't have a problem with that?

I'm saying why is it ok for the UVF to kill people and not be considered terrorists but the IRA are.

They had the vote but it couldnt be valid. If the Catholics win the vote and return to the republic what then happens to the protesants? Alot of people will go to war and alot of people will die. If Britan gives back the north without a vote well then they have no reason to fight each other. What the Brittish can do is take there army out of Northern Ireland so the Catholics will stop getting killed and will no longer have to live in fear.

At 3/20/05 05:27 PM, Garnoman wrote:

At 3/20/05 04:44 PM, SkyCube wrote:

At 3/20/05 04:37 PM, Garnoman wrote: <stuff/>

So if the UVF kill innocents it's ok for the IRA to do it?

Two wrongs do not make a right.

I also agree with LeapOfFaith, the people of Northern Ireland should be able to vote on whether they stay with Britain or join the republic. Surely you can't have a problem with that?

I'm saying why is it ok for the UVF to kill people and not be considered terrorists but the IRA are.

If the UVF are killing innocent people then they are terrorists as far as I am concerned.

What the Brittish can do is take there army out of Northern Ireland so the Catholics will stop getting killed and will no longer have to live in fear.

So you're saying the British army is still slaughtering catholics in NI?

This is the terrorist / freedom fighter thing.

There is no difference - it just depends which side you're on.

Imagine you were an Iraqi, say.. between 14 and 18 years old. You have a few bad things to say about Saddam's regieme, but your life was stable, you went to school, you had friends, and when you grew up, you hoped to be a mechanic or something.

Then, the USA invades your country, turns it into a warzone, some of your friends are killed by stray bombs, your home has no roof anymore, and basically, your life is turned upside down.

You're not very happy.

A few days later, some fellow Iraqis come through town dressed in combat gear and looking bad-ass. They say they're going to fight the Americans out of the country and they want more young men to join their cause.... You look at them, armed with Kalashnikovs, RPGs, Uzi's, Mortars....

Brave men willing to die for what they believe is right.

... Now seriously - tell me: If you were in that situation - would you join them?

I sure as hell would.
Does that make me a "terrorist"?

At 3/20/05 08:12 PM, little_bald_kid wrote: Does that make me a "terrorist"?

No, it would make you an insurgent.

At 3/20/05 08:17 PM, SkyCube wrote: No, it would make you an insurgent.

Wouldn't it make him a patriot? Insurgent would mean he is rebelling against a standing governement.

Ive decided to give up as tis impossible to argue with the man wearing the rose tinted glasses.

At 3/21/05 02:36 AM, spa-z wrote:

At 3/20/05 08:17 PM, SkyCube wrote: No, it would make you an insurgent.

Wouldn't it make him a patriot? Insurgent would mean he is rebelling against a standing governement.

Meh, whatever, still not a terrorist though...

bush won't target the IRA, They are domestic terrorists. That would be like England helping us track down timothy mcVeigh.

I remember my math teacher saying something about them.

At 3/22/05 08:14 PM, Evil_Alex37 wrote: I remember my math teacher saying something about them.

You mean you only learnt about the IRA from something your math teacher said?
No wonder so many americans have this view of the IRA as some sort of heros.

For all intents and purposes, surgical.

i am irish and proud to be that. but the i.r.a. should stop killin people and start tring to negotiate with england peacefully. then if england refuses to give up northern ireland, they should give an ultamatum to the brits saying if they donot give it up then the ira will start a fulll scale war. and should ask the us for some back up. it took the irish many years to get back what is now ireland, so ithink they should go the extra mile and get back wat is rightfully theirs.

ok im irish but the ira is a terrorist group. sorry guys

At 3/23/05 09:01 PM, BugsBunny666 wrote: i am irish and proud to be that. but the i.r.a. should stop killin people and start tring to negotiate with england peacefully. then if england refuses to give up northern ireland, they should give an ultamatum to the brits saying if they donot give it up then the ira will start a fulll scale war. and should ask the us for some back up. it took the irish many years to get back what is now ireland, so ithink they should go the extra mile and get back wat is rightfully theirs.

Ok no longer banned...
Your not Irish, your from Lorton, VA so shut up because you really really dont have a clue what your talking about. Its not all that simple, as simple as your little head.

I actually live in Northern Ireland's capital Belfast, I come from the same area where that Robert McCartney fella got stab and right now the IRA are being called gangsters not terrorists. They're losing they're support rapidly now because people could give a fuck. The UFV and LFV are worse though in that department and are the main drug dealers in Northern Ireland. The Real IRA are probably what you would call terrorists but everyone thinks they're dicks. And about the referendum, the problem with that is the English made it so that the Unionists had a majority in Northern Ireland in any vote even though there is undoubtetly more Nationalists. It was called something but I can't remember, I'm sure some other people here would know what I'm talking about. Any civillian killing of the English by the PIRA was acidental, they don't target civillians, it's "collateral".
Anyway, there's 10,000 British Soldiers in Northern Ireland and I think they should leave considering theres only a few thousand fighting in Iraq.

Oh, and by the way there is no democarcy in Northern Ireland, the Unionists gained a majority and then refused to form a government and asked Britain to Directly Rule Northern Ireland. So Tony Blair, someone the people of Northern Ireland haven't voted for is dictating us.