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gunner: detail. where do you live? what mode of transportation? what kind of pack? how much ammo? supplies? etc.

At 6/5/08 05:42 PM, gunner-564 wrote: id go to mexico with my :ak47 ,desert egeal,fr-f2,rpg,uzi,assutle rifle,chian saw,shotgun,and chickens
......yes chickens[for food there fresh!]

Thanks for trying Joodah, but for people like this we usually just say...
not using proper
Make a survival plan or get out, don't waste my time.

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Also, why ever happen to grammar around here? When I joined I got chewed out for not using proper grammar, surprised Lost' isn't crackin' skulls around here. Use periods when you finish a statement, commas to seperate, and split your paragraphs. Not just for my sake, but for everyone's, it makes it so very much easier for people to read.

I'm on a laptop that isn't very type-friendly so bare with me as there will be mistakes.

At 6/5/08 05:42 PM, gunner-564 wrote: I'd go to Mexico...

Once the outbreak is made public all trasportation will be locked-down, planes will not fly, highways will be blocked by military personnel, even boats will be patrolled to keep water travel secured so that anyone who could possibly be infected doesn't spread the virus. So unless you already live in Mexico you're screwed at getting passed the border. Besides, why would you want to be in Mexico?

with my :ak47

I'm assuming it is a semi-automatic AK' since I'm sure you can't have fully-automatic assault-rifles in the U.S. Have you even had expireince with this weapon? Can you reload it quickly? Can you field strip the weapon and clean it? If the weapon malfunctions do you know how to fix it?

, Desert Eagle,

Why would you possibly use a .50cal handgun? This gun takes a lot of practice to use and wrist strength, something most people don't have. The gun is strong and will kill someone in one shot, but why use a gun that takes time to recover from after firing, is hard to find ammo for, and is so loud that you'd attract all undead for the next 5blocks? I would suggest keeping this gun only for a last-ditch effort, otherwise toss it.

fr-f2,

R.P.G,

Rocket Propelled Grenade. This is where I really draw the line, up until this point you were just a person looking to be cool, now your just another dumb newbie. There is no way in Hell you will be able to get your hands on on a working model of this. Even if by some chance you turned out to be an Arm's Dealer it would be completely retarded to carry this. The ammo is impossible to find, you can't fire it in closed spaces because you will vaporize yourself, and if you fire it into a crowd of undead then there will be flying zombies crawling everywhere, which is worse because you can't see them on the ground.

Uzi, assault-rifle, chainsaw, shotgun, and chickens

A sub-machine gun? Why? They really have no use, and there are way more guns that would fit the needs in this situation. An Uzi is just a short, loud, automatic gun that is really not as accurate as other guns more suited for this type of work.

You already mentioned an assault-rifle, and although you can buy "Black Rifles" (military rifles bought after the U.S. Assault Rife law expired) it takes a lot of paper work and training to use one.

Chainsaws are terrible weapons, sure you can chop a person up, but you will attract everything for blocks around, and right when you need it most as a horde surrounds you, the gas runs out. The weapon is also heavy and cumbersome.

Shotguns are good for close combat (AKA houses, alley ways, etc), but only if they are short because the longer barrels (such as hunting shotguns) will knock into stuff and cause problems while carrying. The major downside is they are very loud weapons and should only be used when in a hunting party so that you can have someone defend your back in case you attract unwanted company. The next problem is that the rounds are heavy and most civilian shotguns can only carry 3+ rounds in the chamber, and with the heavy ammo it makes it harder to reload quickly (compared to pistols or rifles that have magazines that are preloaded). Damage also relies on ammo type, buckshot is almost useless against zombies unless almost point-blank to the head as the pellets spread out and lose power quickly. I would suggest keeping this ammo for attacks against/from human type enemies. Slugs are the way to go as they are heavy, solid rounds used for bursting locks. Despite the obvious use for entering houses they can also be used for exploding heads. Slugs are the prefered ammo to carry.

......yes chickens [for food they're fresh!]

Do you own chickens? If you don't where are you going to get them? How will you carry the chickens? How will you feed the chickens? Are you not worried they will make noise and attract hostiles? Living food should only be used when a stable home-base is established, otherwise they are just a burden.

I took the liberty of correcting most of your mistakes in grammar and spelling, remake it with a ton more thought or get out...either way you annoy me.

This is how you evaluate a plan...

At 6/5/08 08:45 PM, JakFro5t wrote: I'm on a laptop that isn't very type-friendly so bare with me as there will be mistakes.

At 6/5/08 05:42 PM, gunner-564 wrote: I'd go to Mexico...

So unless you already live in Mexico you're screwed at getting passed the border. Besides, why would you want to be in Mexico?

Unless he lives close to Mexico because there is a lot of open desert there and no need to take a road. So who cares if it is blocked off?

with my :ak47

I'm assuming it is a semi-automatic AK' since I'm sure you can't have fully-automatic assault-rifles in the U.S. Have you even had expireince with this weapon?

I can answer that as a no unless it was illegally owned.

, Desert Eagle,

Why would you possibly use a .50cal handgun? This gun takes a lot of practice to use and wrist strength, something most people don't have. The gun is strong and will kill someone in one shot, but why use a gun that takes time to recover from after firing, is hard to find ammo for, and is so loud that you'd attract all undead for the next 5blocks? I would suggest keeping this gun only for a last-ditch effort, otherwise toss it.

Have you ever shot the gun yourself? I have personally and it's not very hard to shoot. When held with two hands it's a pretty stable gun.

fr-f2,

R.P.G,

Rocket Propelled Grenade. This is where I really draw the line, up until this point you were just a person looking to be cool, now your just another dumb newbie. There is no way in Hell you will be able to get your hands on on a working model of this. Even if by some chance you turned out to be an Arm's Dealer it would be completely retarded to carry this. The ammo is impossible to find, you can't fire it in closed spaces because you will vaporize yourself, and if you fire it into a crowd of undead then there will be flying zombies crawling everywhere, which is worse because you can't see them on the ground.

Have to totally agree with you there. There is no way of getting hold of these guns unless you stumble across one from the military being nearby.

Uzi, assault-rifle, chainsaw, shotgun, and chickens

A sub-machine gun? Why? They really have no use, and there are way more guns that would fit the needs in this situation. An Uzi is just a short, loud, automatic gun that is really not as accurate as other guns more suited for this type of work.

Very useful guns when in a close combat situation actually. Just point towards the head and unload. It's a guaranteed kill.

You already mentioned an assault-rifle, and although you can buy "Black Rifles" (military rifles bought after the U.S. Assault Rife law expired) it takes a lot of paper work and training to use one.

I agree. Probably won't have access to one anyway.

Chainsaws are terrible weapons, sure you can chop a person up, but you will attract everything for blocks around, and right when you need it most as a horde surrounds you, the gas runs out. The weapon is also heavy and cumbersome.

Terrible unless you are using it for a one time get into a building by taking the door at kind of situation. I also agree get rid of something like this.

......yes chickens [for food they're fresh!]

Do you own chickens? If you don't where are you going to get them? How will you carry the chickens? How will you feed the chickens? Are you not worried they will make noise and attract hostiles? Living food should only be used when a stable home-base is established, otherwise they are just a burden.

It really sounds like he owns the chickens when he says they are fresh, but it would be pretty much impossible to take chickens with you. Bad idea.

I took the liberty of correcting most of your mistakes in grammar and spelling, remake it with a ton more thought or get out...either way you annoy me.

Don't be a grammar Nazi, that is actually very annoying and noobish.

This is how you evaluate a plan...

And this is how you evaluate someones evaluation of a plan.

What we are looking for here is plans in which you can use things that you actually have. Put a lot more effort into your plan because yours sounds like you would die before you made it a day or two.

I hate to be a Grammar Nazi, but if you look at what I said...

"It doesn't have to be perfect but do your best, it not only makes it easier for me, but for everyone else to read"

I'm not tryin' to be mean, and I once typed like most of these people, check my first posts, but I changed to benefit everyone. Now I try to use as good of grammar as I can, and trust me those who do try will thank me, it makes your arguments more creditable and just looks so much better. It's also easier to read and keeps thoughts organized.

And before I took leave from here to focus on more creative writing (RP crew) Lost' would pretty much chew out anyone who didn't use close-to correct grammar, excepting a few people of coarse. I also thought he was a Grammar Nazi, but now looking back I reconsider my previous thoughts, he just has a higher expectation than most people. I have also come to want this.

So I just ask that people try not posting 1lined, incoherent messes, it makes the everything hard to understand.

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Even if you live near Mexico, the border will get high priority to keep people out...or in, because the nations are going to be extremely concerned with keeping the virus quarantined. If they let infected get through it could be considered biological warfare, something they don't want to deal with "after".

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So it's true that I've personally never shot a .50cal pistol before, but I'm going on what I know about the rifles and pistols themselves. They are usually used to puncture armor plating correct? That takes a large amount of power, and looking at this persons mental throw-up plastered onto the forum I'm pretty sure he's either: below average on the knowledge scale, or fairly young meaning he/she (never know) might have small wrists. All depends on the persons attributes when firing weaponry.

At 6/5/08 11:04 PM, JakFro5t wrote: I hate to be a Grammar Nazi, but if you look at what I said...

"It doesn't have to be perfect but do your best, it not only makes it easier for me, but for everyone else to read"

That is my bad. I didn't see that part. I thought I read over the entire post, but I must of skimmed over it.

Even if you live near Mexico, the border will get high priority to keep people out...or in, because the nations are going to be extremely concerned with keeping the virus quarantined. If they let infected get through it could be considered biological warfare, something they don't want to deal with "after".

I'm just guessing that if there is a virus outbreak that the virus is already in several other parts of the world just because of the stage in which an affected person isn't knowledgeable about being infected and they are traveling. They might be trying to do the same thing and getting over here.

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So it's true that I've personally never shot a .50cal pistol before, but I'm going on what I know about the rifles and pistols themselves. They are usually used to puncture armor plating correct? That takes a large amount of power, and looking at this persons mental throw-up plastered onto the forum I'm pretty sure he's either: below average on the knowledge scale, or fairly young meaning he/she (never know) might have small wrists. All depends on the persons attributes when firing weaponry.

The biggest thing here is that I'm almost 100 percent sure that the person has never shot one of these guns before and has no experience. To be honest someone that hasn't shot a gun like that and is of younger age would probably be knocked right to the ground or the gun would fly right out of their hand if not held right.

I think this user needs to post a new plan. One in which is more realistic, and isn't so.. lets say rushed? Think your plan out and make it long. Take example just how we are talking this out. That's how your plan needs to be. Well thought out and descriptive.

Corky, sorry to say this but, please raise your level. The icon sucks. Sorry.

I mean seriously! You have a post count of 4k man! So it would be better to get a better icon too. I'm trying to get to level 7. I think that's the one with the fist and gold thingy. ( Forgot the name)

I like you, so please. Besides, i dont think fighting zombies with that will help you survive. And i KNOW that i will get killed if i try to fight zombies with my level icon.

Oh i'm on my laptop and the speed is.. 7.2Mbps than the usual 100.0Mbps since this is my dad's Mobile Connect Modem. It's better than having 56k though.

Well, see ya. I'll try to visit more often for the next few days..

At 6/5/08 11:54 PM, jackripperz wrote: Corky, sorry to say this but, please raise your level. The icon sucks. Sorry.

FINE! But only for you. There we go I changed it. Happy?

I mean seriously! You have a post count of 4k man! So it would be better to get a better icon too. I'm trying to get to level 7. I think that's the one with the fist and gold thingy. ( Forgot the name)

And I want you to know I didn't do anything on newgrounds until 2007. I may have a 04 sign up date, but I didn't do anything till 07. Meaning I put up those 4k posts in just a little more then half a year.

Oh good, I'm trying to get a metal chain icon, I like your pipe. Mostly I want one of the axes, doesn't matter which, but I've stopped focusing on icons recently.

Anyway, how long do you think the internet will last until it either goes under military control or shuts down completely in the event of a total world infection? By total world I mean 80%+ of population is infected and nations are collapsing.

Also, speaking of Lost', where'd he go, he was just talking to someone about a ban and now he's gone again...

At 6/5/08 05:42 PM, gunner-564 wrote: id go to mexico with my :ak47 ,desert egeal,fr-f2,rpg,uzi,assutle rifle,chian saw,shotgun,and chickens
......yes chickens[for food there fresh!]

You're not doing it right.First of all,once an outbreak occurs,all roads will be either blocked by military,or clogged with vehicles and zombies.You need to get a better way of transportation.And where would you get all those guns?It's hard enough to find most of them and get ammo for them,and how exactly will you carry them,on the chickens?And finally,post in detail,man.Here,it's detailed plan or bust.

Hey, neither of you guys said anything about that person's mention of carrying an FR-F2.

Considering that it's French, and a military weapon, however, I doubt that person could get that either. Squirrel killer (.22 Hunting rifle w/ scope), however, would be fairly easy to find in any civilian weapons store. Even better if the caliber's higher than a peashooter.

Would someone review my plan? Please.

At 6/6/08 12:04 AM, Corky52 wrote:

At 6/5/08 11:54 PM, jackripperz wrote: Corky, sorry to say this but, please raise your level. The icon sucks. Sorry.

FINE! But only for you. There we go I changed it. Happy?

I ejaculated.

And I want you to know I didn't do anything on newgrounds until 2007. I may have a 04 sign up date, but I didn't do anything till 07. Meaning I put up those 4k posts in just a little more then half a year.

Amazing. 4k posts in half a year! I cant do that...must be good being a guy with a girlfriend and a job and a free choice of life...

God i wish i had a girlfriend, a job and a free choice of life..

At 6/6/08 12:15 PM, jackripperz wrote:

At 6/6/08 12:04 AM, Corky52 wrote:

At 6/5/08 11:54 PM, jackripperz wrote: Corky, sorry to say this but, please raise your level. The icon sucks. Sorry.

FINE! But only for you. There we go I changed it. Happy?

I ejaculated.

I found that funny that you said that just minutes before I was about to level up.

And I want you to know I didn't do anything on newgrounds until 2007. I may have a 04 sign up date, but I didn't do anything till 07. Meaning I put up those 4k posts in just a little more then half a year.

Amazing. 4k posts in half a year! I cant do that...must be good being a guy with a girlfriend and a job and a free choice of life...

Lol, I don't have a job though. I was our high school counselor while I was in high school, but don't really have a job now except some odd jobs like babysitting, etc..

God i wish i had a girlfriend, a job and a free choice of life..

Hey you will get everything eventually. Patience is a virtue.

At 6/5/08 01:04 PM, uzimaki320 wrote: Going to take another shot at joining.

My survival plan: There is a warehouse about a mile east of my house. It contains crates of machine parts. Those crates are about eight feet long, six feet high, and 4 feet wide. I would head there, use the crates to build barricades, storage areas, rooms, etc. The crates I empty for rooms or other purposes, I would place the sharp parts outside the barricades, as to slow down attackers. This warehouse is the largest in the area, and is surrounded by smaller warehouses containing everything a town would need. I wouldn't have to go far to find supplies, and there is a catwalk system that is only accessible by ladder. As we all know, zombies are incapable of climbing ladders, so, if all else fails, I can escape onto the rooftops and get to safety.

I like the plan so far. A mile isn't too far, but in a zombie outbreak it could seem like it takes forever. How would you get there? The roads are probably cluttered with broken down cars and the walking dead. Any place that has ladders is great. Kind of like my plan, you can't get attacked by zombies if they can't get to you.

There is a sporting goods store and gunsmith's shop about 600 yards from the warehouse complex. The way the buildings are arranged makes it very easy to move while remaining undetected. My family already has a stock of weapons, containing numerous rifles and shotguns,two pistols, one revolver, a SKS, and several knifes and bows. This town was built on a giant natural spring on the Mississippi River, so that could be a way out of the area. The warehouse was built in the Cold War era, so it is supposed to double as a bomb shelter. It is covered in seven inches of renforced concrete and steel. I could hold out for a long, long while, but if help doesn't arrive, I'd simply go down the the Mighty Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. If I could, I'd find others, besides my family, to help us. But, the more people we have, the more supplies we use, tensions and tempers can rise, and worse.

Well the sporting goods idea isn't good for only one reason. In the case of a zombie outbreak that is the first thing that will be emptied by other people. I'm sure there wouldn't be much if any suplies left.

Be careful trying to find others. One little scratch and several hours later other survivors could be turning into zombies and killing your family and you right behind your back.

In the end, one of these things could happen:

A. Help arrives and we are evacuated from the area

A very hopeful option.

B. Help doesn't arrive, but we use the river to escape

Escape to where? I'm sure every where else is having a zombie outbreak too.

C. Help arrives and we take back the area

This would take a very long time. Zombies can be coming from miles and miles away, but if some sort of barricade was set up around an area this would be the best outcome.

D. Help doesn't arrive, we run out of supplies, our river escape is somehow blocked off, and we die.

Here is where there could be other plans if you could make it back to the safe house without getting killed.

If all goes well, I'll escape with my life and my family.

This is always my biggest question. If a zombie outbreak happens in one place of the world it's probably going to happen every place else to just because of the virus being undetected for a small amount of time. Like always, escape to where?

Hey guys, I'm going to start an official list of things that new people should read through/ look at when typing up their plan/redoing their plans. Anyone can add stuff if I forget.

1. Going to a gun store.

2. Going to a mall.

3. Emphasizing the practicality of katanas (pretty useless, considering how tough the skull is).

4. UZIS AND DESERRT EEGELS AND MAH KATANA (Uzis, desert eagles, and katanas).

5. Incredibly terrible grammar. Typos are entirely acceptable, but if you typ lik dis or use things like "u" for "you", or "n" for "and", then too bad. A well thought-out plan should take the two extra seconds to type in intelligible English.

6. Going zombie hunting. One of the stupidest ideas ever, after the DESERT EEGLES AND KATANAS idea, and right before going to the mall.

7. Pretending to have a fortress under the basement. We have to think along the lines of ordinary household items, not John Rambo's hunting shack.

8. The army will not just hand you a weapon. A gun store owner will not trade weapons for anything you have, either.

9. No "Well, I'd just kill myself" posts. Cop outs are for pussies, and this is a survival club.

I was thinking about including a thing about specifying which kind of zombie is in the plan and one about acting as if we are stupid and don't know about the benefits of zombie hunting, but that kind of thing just goes without saying. Fell free to add on anything that I missed.

At 6/6/08 02:23 PM, Xtesh wrote:

3. Emphasizing the practicality of katanas (pretty useless, considering how tough the skull is).

Well if someone was hitting the skull with a katana then they are pretty retarded anyway, but they are very light, have great range, and when swung at the neck they aren't very hard to take the head off. I have several of these swords and they actually cut through pretty thick wood when swung hard enough, wood that is much tougher then the neck bones.

At 6/6/08 02:28 PM, Corky52 wrote: Well if someone was hitting the skull with a katana then they are pretty retarded anyway, but they are very light, have great range, and when swung at the neck they aren't very hard to take the head off. I have several of these swords and they actually cut through pretty thick wood when swung hard enough, wood that is much tougher then the neck bones.

Even so, you have to admit that something like a crowbar would be better, since it can deal lots of blunt trauma and functions as a tool. That's why I said practicality and not the reasons to use on as a weapon(by itself, it's an okay weapon if you're not going for an all-in-one tool/weapon).

Hey guys I'd like to try and join.
Heres my plans:
(A.)
First off I'd gather as many of my friends and/or family, my Grandfathers weapons and ammo (Rifles, Handguns, shot guns ect), raid a Wal-mart or something for food and more weapons, gather many gas can cans and head to a gas station and fill up, we'd be in a van of some sort because of the room and sturdiness and attempt to move a state down into Texas and head to the Coast, gather food that could last us for about a month or so, then steal a boat and head to an oil tanker in the Ocean, live on there for awhile and every month head back to shore heavily armed to gather another months food. Continue this until rescued (if we ever do get rescued that is)

(B.)
If its impossible to leave state I'd do the same as before (Gather weapons, food ect) and head to a School (A older school with the gated doors) and make a base out of it. The only hope we'd have in this situation is to be rescued, so I'd prefer plan A.

Well those are my plans for the Zombie Holocaust. So are they good enough?

At 6/6/08 02:31 PM, Xtesh wrote:

Even so, you have to admit that something like a crowbar would be better, since it can deal lots of blunt trauma and functions as a tool. That's why I said practicality and not the reasons to use on as a weapon(by itself, it's an okay weapon if you're not going for an all-in-one tool/weapon).

Yeah thats the only thing. It can only be used as a weapon and is very limited as a tool. The crowbar is much better since it can be used as both.

At 6/4/08 06:15 AM, LazyPint wrote:

At 6/4/08 04:46 AM, HappyPill wrote: I think I'd pack a couple guns with some boxes of ammo in a backpack. Hike up to the mountains, let my caveman instincts kick in, and live like a wild animal hunting down deer with my bear fists. If zombies ever came to my cabin...or cave.. whatever I'd have. I'd shoot at it a whole lot and hope something hits.
Does that work?

No, that's just shite. More detail or don't bother. Taking down deer with your bare fists? I think not.

All in good fun my friend.
Anyway.
To the chap who called guns scarce.
I think not lol. I own a couple guns myself. And, I'm lucky enough to live next to a sports warehouse. Which includes tons of guns and ammo. Others might not be so lucky during an apocalypse. And as far as the hunting deer down with my fist. No shit, I was kidding. I don't see why it needs more detail. Honestly, If I was thatworried about the zombies rising from the dead, I'd take gun classes, survival classes, buy some land out in the middle of nowhere and live there the rest of my life. I know quite a few people who survived without civilization. Just look at the United States settlers. Bow hunters get pretty close to deer too. But I won't argue I can catch a deer when you're obviously not going to let me get away with that one. :P

ZOMFG this therd is a zombi3 it won't die after 3 years!!! omfg nice job =D

me and my mate have it all planed out what we would do i would kill his family and he would mine then we high tail it out of there with eough shit to outlive the zombies we really are serious about this...it could happen one day

My plan, again, less "wall of text" style now.

Shelter

-Warehouse complex about one mile east of my house.
--Built during the Cold War, doubles as a bomb shelter with 10 inches of concrete/steel.
--The largest warehouse contains crates of machine parts that are eight feet long, four feet wide, and six feet tall.
--Catwalk system leading to roof, only accessible by ladder.
--Other warehouses contain various items, such as clothes, food, and weapons.
--Crates make excellent blockades and barricades.
--Warehouse rooftops extend to within 500 yards of the private docks, where certain boats are stored, making escape incredibly easy.

Weapons

-seven rifles, three shotguns, two pistols, one revolver, about twenty various blades, and four bows.
--Rifles are chambered for .270 Savage, .30.06, .300 Wheatherby Magnum, and two types of 7.62 ammo.
--Shotguns chambered for 12 gauge, 10 gauge, and .410
--Pistols chambered for .45 ACP and .357 Magnum
--Revolver chambered for .44 Magnum
--One rifle is a M21 that can be fitted with a silencer
-Crowbars and Machetes are plentiful

Supplies

-All supplies can be obtained through searching the warehouses.

Escape Route

-Use the nearby Mississippi River to reach the Gulf of Mexico
--Alternate escape can be made on foot to the west, into the Rockies, then onwards north.

Overall Plan

-Hold out in the warehouse until help arrives or we are forced to move out of the area. All local businesses have a warehouse they rent for storage.

At 6/6/08 11:04 PM, uzimaki320 wrote: My plan, again, less "wall of text" style now.

Man.. I already reviewed your plan. Why post it again?

At 6/6/08 02:32 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote: Hey guys I'd like to try and join.

Alright, let's see what I can do for you then.

Heres my plans:

Ok, here we go.

(A.)
First off I'd gather as many of my friends and/or family, my Grandfathers weapons and ammo (Rifles, Handguns, shot guns ect), raid a Wal-mart or something for food and more weapons, gather many gas can cans and head to a gas station and fill up, we'd be in a van of some sort because of the room and sturdiness and attempt to move a state down into Texas and head to the Coast, gather food that could last us for about a month or so, then steal a boat and head to an oil tanker in the Ocean, live on there for awhile and every month head back to shore heavily armed to gather another months food. Continue this until rescued (if we ever do get rescued that is)

You have a lot of traveling, which is near to impossible in an attempt of a zombie out break. Although the idea of a ship such as an oil tanker is a good idea, only and if only you can actually find one. And when you do you are going to have to secure the boat, killing any zombies on board that happen to be there from people that got on the ship already infected, or you would have to deal with survivors who had the same idea and were already on the ship.

(B.)
If its impossible to leave state I'd do the same as before (Gather weapons, food ect) and head to a School (A older school with the gated doors) and make a base out of it. The only hope we'd have in this situation is to be rescued, so I'd prefer plan A.

This is actually more likely to happen, because as I said before it is almost impossible to travel. Again you would have to secure the school since there is either zombies already in there or survivors who might not be willing to let you in just in case you are infected, etc..

Well those are my plans for the Zombie Holocaust. So are they good enough?

Maybe, but I wouldn't mind to see you do them over again and really think through what could happen wrong in those situations.

At 6/3/08 11:32 PM, Corky52 wrote:

At 6/3/08 08:21 AM, CH4ZM4N92 wrote: but there are those of us who want and can fight, let the ones who dont maintain the cades. to me zombies are just walking bodies, no longer the people i knew, screw them. theres people who wont want to believe that.

Now tell me exactly how you know this. It is impossible to know what your feelings will be when your mom or dad is closing in on you and ready to eat your face. You have no clue what your emotions would be like. You say they are no longer the people that you know, but how and the hell do you know? There hasn't been a zombie outbreak for you to practice your emotions on has there? I think not. This is one of those things you don't know until it actually happens.

You and Jack both bring up that oh-so valid point, but humans also have adaptability. Soldiers become used to the idea of killing quite quickly, and there are those of us who fully understand that our families are no longer our families when zombified. Others see humans as worthy of death as it stands. So there are a lot of ways to get past the emotional barrier. Me personally, I have a condition caused by childhood trauma that prevents me from felling sadness, empathy, fear, depression, and a bitch-load of other emotions that I feel are necessary for a human to feel. While that makes me a cold-blooded asshole at times when my logic lapses, it would be an excellent survival skill in an outbreak. I could kill my own mother right now and just go back to typing this, not feeling a thing. That fact would depress me insanely if I could feel depressed. Don't get me wrong though, I'm really a nice guy, and never killed or severely injured anyone. But I digress, adaptability is the key to emotional override.

At 6/3/08 08:56 AM, jackripperz wrote: The real smart killer would kill everyone since zombies are originally humans so it's better to destroy humans so there's no more zombies.

I am inclined to disagree because most humans who have survived for more than a month will take down at least one zombie before they are killed/turned. If not then they certainly serve as points of interest for the zombies to gather around, a necessary factor for my purposes.

The real smart killer would impart some of his/her knowledge into the remaining humans to make them more effective survivors/hunters, depending on the preferred zombie survival method. Also, killing all humans would make it tough to procreate, unless you feel that our reign is over, making procreation a non-issue. I personally would much rather have other survivors, because after a hard days hunt all I'm gonna really want is a really hard fucking. I believe having other survivors aids people psychologically, as well. Loneliness can lead to insanity.

At 6/6/08 02:05 PM, Corky52 wrote:

At 6/5/08 01:04 PM, uzimaki320 wrote: Going to take another shot at joining.

My survival plan: There is a warehouse about a mile east of my house. It contains crates of machine parts. Those crates are about eight feet long, six feet high, and 4 feet wide. I would head there, use the crates to build barricades, storage areas, rooms, etc. The crates I empty for rooms or other purposes, I would place the sharp parts outside the barricades, as to slow down attackers. This warehouse is the largest in the area, and is surrounded by smaller warehouses containing everything a town would need. I wouldn't have to go far to find supplies, and there is a catwalk system that is only accessible by ladder. As we all know, zombies are incapable of climbing ladders, so, if all else fails, I can escape onto the rooftops and get to safety.

I like the plan so far. A mile isn't too far, but in a zombie outbreak it could seem like it takes forever. How would you get there? The roads are probably cluttered with broken down cars and the walking dead. Any place that has ladders is great. Kind of like my plan, you can't get attacked by zombies if they can't get to you.

I can take some trails that lead through the woods.

There is a sporting goods store and gunsmith's shop about 600 yards from the warehouse complex. The way the buildings are arranged makes it very easy to move while remaining undetected. My family already has a stock of weapons, containing numerous rifles and shotguns,two pistols, one revolver, a SKS, and several knifes and bows. This town was built on a giant natural spring on the Mississippi River, so that could be a way out of the area. The warehouse was built in the Cold War era, so it is supposed to double as a bomb shelter. It is covered in seven inches of renforced concrete and steel. I could hold out for a long, long while, but if help doesn't arrive, I'd simply go down the the Mighty Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. If I could, I'd find others, besides my family, to help us. But, the more people we have, the more supplies we use, tensions and tempers can rise, and worse.

Well the sporting goods idea isn't good for only one reason. In the case of a zombie outbreak that is the first thing that will be emptied by other people. I'm sure there wouldn't be much if any suplies left.

The only reason I would want to go to these stores is to find out which warehouse they're using and what is in the warehouse, to see if it's worth the risk.

One of my rifles is a M21, so if I can find a scilencer, it'll be perfect. I've a Class 2 weapons license and my dad has a Class 3.

Be careful trying to find others. One little scratch and several hours later other survivors could be turning into zombies and killing your family and you right behind your back.

In the end, one of these things could happen:

A. Help arrives and we are evacuated from the area

A very hopeful option.

B. Help doesn't arrive, but we use the river to escape

Escape to where? I'm sure every where else is having a zombie outbreak too.

The Mississippi leads to the Gulf of Mexico. Our boat is quite large, built off the design of a WWII PT boat, so I'm thinking that I could land somewhere, if it's infested, I can take off again. My plan would be to get to Ft. Hood or some other base.

At 6/7/08 02:36 AM, BetaOrionis wrote:

and there are those of us who fully understand that our families are no longer our families when zombified.

No there isn't. There has never been a zombie outbreak so nobody knows how someone will feel. People can always say stuff like "Oh I can do it", but nobody knows since it has never happened. People can always say it, but it will never be true unless proven.

Now I do understand that there is disorders which don't allow people to feel scared, fear, or emotions in general. That is actually a plus for them in a situation like this.

It seems like that is the determining factor in our survival.

Physical attributes can be modified before and during the outbreak so that we can do things that are needed. Such as lifting weights and running. We know what we can and cannot do physically and usually try not o go over that mark for fear of injury.

Some of us can shoot well or are advid hunters, but hunting animals and targets isn't the same as shooting "humans", it's not just pulling the trigger, it's that almost telekenetic attatchment all humans have together. We have a bond that is practically impossible to have with any other animal.

So the only factor that we can't plan for is the mental part. Can you last numerous nights of paranoia from the constant moaning/thumping on your doors and wi