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Try posting here.

You'll have better luck and people won't get up-in-arms when you fail miserably.

Seriously.

At 2/7/05 03:26 PM, JerkClock wrote: My point is this, we don't need laws to cover every little thing that annoys us, especially when there are non-legislative solutions to them. Is a person wrong for deliberatly disturbing people at night if they are to politely knock on his door and ask him not to? Yeah, does this mean we need laws for it?

What if that person tells you to "fuck off" and turns their music up louder? Oh I get it that's why we need earplugs. You are such a God damn moron.

Sorry, you're the one who quit due to losing.

At 2/7/05 03:30 PM, BeFell wrote:

What if that person tells you to "fuck off" and turns their music up louder? Oh I get it that's why we need earplugs. You are such a <blaspheme> moron.

Just saying so doesn't prove it. Prove the earplugs not being a good solution, and prove your laws not to be fascist, you've failed.

I said it once and I'll say it again. The state has the power to limit freedom based on a compelling interest. For instance, smoking cigarettes in a crowded public setting is outlawed because the state has a compelling interest in maintaining the health of its citizens. Likewise, the state has a compelling interest in keeping people from making more than a reasonable amount of noise in a residential area in order that people can function to the best of their ability in society. The state does not have any interest in allowing you to make as much noise as you want in a neighborhood, in fact, it would be irresponsible of the government to allow you to do so. If you really want to make a bunch of noise, you can, just not in an area that would cause a nuissance (i.e.: a neighborhood where people are trying to sleep).

At 2/7/05 03:37 PM, Gunter45 wrote: I said it once and I'll say it again. The state has the power to limit freedom based on a compelling interest. For instance, smoking cigarettes in a crowded public setting is outlawed because the state has a compelling interest in maintaining the health of its citizens. Likewise, the state has a compelling interest in keeping people from making more than a reasonable amount of noise in a residential area in order that people can function to the best of their ability in society. The state does not have any interest in allowing you to make as much noise as you want in a neighborhood, in fact, it would be irresponsible of the government to allow you to do so. If you really want to make a bunch of noise, you can, just not in an area that would cause a nuissance (i.e.: a neighborhood where people are trying to sleep).

You're going back to the "whole are greater than the one" which I provided proof earlier is fascist. If you want to live in a fascist country, I believe zimbabwae is currently one, so you should go there, where you'll have plenty of "rights" not to be disturbed.

At 2/7/05 07:37 AM, JerkClock wrote: No that's a restrictions, restrictions = not freedom.

Let me expand on that; restrictions = not freedom = real world

There are plenty of things that annoy me, but I don't write my congressman about them, I either put up or take care of the problem myself.

If you're not a moaner, why the fuck are you still going on? Why can't you put up with the noise restriction laws?

You have still failed to prove the majority supports the law. Or for that matter why the fact that you're too stupid to use earplugs means a law is neccessary. Are they really that hard to find, or home-make for that matter?

Earplugs aren't that effective when it's really loud, because you can feel the vibrations through the air, and through floor/walls, etc. If you dont believe me. try going to school and learning basic science...

:At least if you lose, say 5 hours of sleep you aren't going to be crippled for life.

If you work in a concentration-heavy job, like the machinery operating guy above, you could very well be...

At 2/7/05 03:40 PM, JerkClock wrote: You're going back to the "whole are greater than the one" which I provided proof earlier is fascist. If you want to live in a fascist country, I believe zimbabwae is currently one, so you should go there, where you'll have plenty of "rights" not to be disturbed.

No, I'm going back to the "whole reason we have laws" argument. Last time I checked, there are noise laws that are enforced in the US. If you want to take the case to the Supreme Court to dispute the constitutionality of these laws, then be my guest, but you'd be laughed right out of court. I doubt that you'd even make it to the State Courts.

At 2/7/05 03:44 PM, Professor_Burgees wrote:

:: Let me expand on that; restrictions = not freedom = real world

Agreed

If you're not a moaner, why the fuck are you still going on? Why can't you put up with the noise restriction laws?

Well what's wrong with just hating it because of the principle of the matter? If I see a law that I feel is frivilous I'll be against it wether it affects me or not.

Earplugs aren't that effective when it's really loud, because you can feel the vibrations through the air, and through floor/walls, etc. If you dont believe me. try going to school and learning basic science...

That is true when it gets loud enough, I don't find them uncomfortable as to keep me awake though. If it does get too much noisier though it can damage your walls(the damn truth I swear), and that shouldn't be allowed. But at that point it's just noise, it's vandalism.

If you work in a concentration-heavy job, like the machinery operating guy above, you could very well be...

Well I think he's lying about it(and his age) anyway. Usually jobs that require handling heavy machinery require you to be at least 21(though not neccesarily, even the ones that don't, prefer you be 21 or over). I don't think anyone would get that tired and not realise they should call in to work. At least not if they're smart enough that the law allows them to drive a vehical.

Let's all point and laugh at the stupid kid.

*points at JerkClock*

HAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE SO STUPID!!!

At 2/7/05 03:48 PM, Gunter45 wrote: . Last time I checked, there are noise laws that are enforced in the US. If you want to take the case to the Supreme Court to dispute the constitutionality of these laws, then be my guest, but you'd be laughed right out of court. I doubt that you'd even make it to the State Courts.

Yes because society is full of pricks like yourself

At 2/7/05 03:58 PM, JerkClock wrote:

Well I think he's lying about it(and his age) anyway. Usually jobs that require handling heavy machinery require you to be at least 21(though not neccesarily, even the ones that don't, prefer you be 21 or over).

I'm 18, I've worked in a packaging/assembly plant for nearly 3 years, and I'm a certified forklift operater. Along with the hazards that come with operating a fork, I also operate 15,000 psi hydraulic bailers, printing presses, and industrial gluers.

Yes, it's a real job.

And you strike me as a 16 year old, at best. What's your real age?

At 2/7/05 03:59 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Let's all point and laugh at the stupid kid.

*points at JerkClock*

HAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE SO STUPID!!!

*joins in*

"If you are kept up all night you can always just call in sick the next morning. No need to be a whiner."

At 2/7/05 04:04 PM, BeFell wrote:

"If you are kept up all night you can always just call in sick the next morning. No need to be a whiner."

You still havent justified passing a fascist law.

At 2/7/05 04:06 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/7/05 04:04 PM, BeFell wrote:

"If you are kept up all night you can always just call in sick the next morning. No need to be a whiner."

You still havent justified passing a fascist law.

OMG HE USED A BAD WORD THE DESCRIBE THE LAW!!! It must be bad because he put an arbitrary label on it that carries a negative connotation.

At 2/7/05 04:10 PM, BeFell wrote:
OMG HE USED A BAD WORD THE DESCRIBE THE LAW!!! It must be bad because he put an arbitrary label on it that carries a negative connotation.

He are so cool. I want his BUTTSECKS!!!!!!!!1

I'd also like to point out that most of us in the real world work jobs where we can only 'call in sick' so many days with pay.

After that, you are not making any money. Hmm. My right to pursue happiness is infringed upon. Not just mine, but anyone disturbed by a noisy neighbor.

As much as you may not want to think so, those of us that don't want noisy neighbors are in the MAJORITY. Majority rules. It's not a 'nuisance to a few' if MOST people feel that way, now is it?

What is frivolous to you, is earth shattering to another. And vice-versa.

At 2/7/05 03:28 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Try posting here.

You'll have better luck and people won't get up-in-arms when you fail miserably.

Seriously.

Oh, and no more of that nonsense. Really. How many times have you said it now?

At 2/7/05 04:22 PM, Maus wrote:
Oh, and no more of that nonsense. Really. How many times have you said it now?

Too many, indeed. Sorry if I overdid it.

I officially wash my hands of this thread.

At 2/7/05 04:22 PM, Maus wrote: I'd also like to point out that most of us in the real world work jobs where we can only 'call in sick' so many days with pay.

Agreed

After that, you are not making any money. Hmm. My right to pursue happiness is infringed upon. Not just mine, but anyone disturbed by a noisy neighbor.

The point is there are solutions other than your local legislature.

As much as you may not want to think so, those of us that don't want noisy neighbors are in the MAJORITY. Majority rules. It's not a 'nuisance to a few' if MOST people feel that way, now is it?

No one does, but that doesn't mean they all want a law passed on the matter. I know many who though they get annoyed by it, never call the cops on people for it(though I know many also who do).

What is frivolous to you, is earth shattering to another. And vice-versa.

Yeah, but noise is somehow earth shattering? If someone is that bothered by noise they probably need a psychiatrist. There are people out there who think someone saying "fuck" is earth shattering, or that an unedited boob pop out is earth shattering too. But does that mean the FCC should limit our freedom of speech?

At 2/7/05 04:29 PM, JerkClock wrote: The point is there are solutions other than your local legislature.

You have a point, I do own a gun.

At 2/7/05 04:40 PM, BeFell wrote:

You have a point, I do own a gun.

You already said that one ferrous cranus.

At 2/7/05 04:46 PM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 2/7/05 04:40 PM, BeFell wrote:

You have a point, I do own a gun.

You already said that one ferrous cranus.

I was reemphasizing my point. You are really bad at this.

At 2/7/05 04:48 PM, BeFell wrote:

I was reemphasizing my point. You are really bad at this.

No you were just baselessly repeating yourself, in order for it to be reemphasis you need to bring something new into the discussion, you did not.

A pounding stereo, or partying neighbors makes vibrations that get through earplugs. Try sleeping through the night with your bed slightly shaking to a quarter note beat. earplugs are not the end all-be all that you seem to think they are. What are some other suggestions you have? Moving isn't always an option, nor should it be, especially if you were there first.

Also, what is so frivolous about not being able to call off work, even though I haven't slept all night? I'd like to pay rent, but I'd also like to do a good job at work, so I can KEEP my job, so I can continue to pay the rent.

At 2/7/05 04:50 PM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 2/7/05 04:48 PM, BeFell wrote:

I was reemphasizing my point. You are really bad at this.

No you were just baselessly repeating yourself, in order for it to be reemphasis you need to bring something new into the discussion, you did not.

What the hell are you talking about? My God you could be as dumb as the other guy.

At 2/7/05 04:59 PM, BeFell wrote:

What the hell are you talking about? My God you could be as dumb as the other guy.

The only one being dumb here is you for acting like you're right when you're just repeating yourself. Hell if you can't understand when someone tells you you're only repeating yourself and not reemphasising and shows you the difference, you really shouldn't call other people dumb.

It's real simple, bring something new, or you're just repeating yourself. I can't dumb that down anymore.

At 2/7/05 05:17 PM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: The only one being dumb here is you for acting like you're right when you're just repeating yourself. Hell if you can't understand when someone tells you you're only repeating yourself and not reemphasising and shows you the difference, you really shouldn't call other people dumb.

Aren't you repeating yourself right now? I guess I'll do the same. You are dumb.

At 2/7/05 05:22 PM, BeFell wrote:
Aren't you repeating yourself right now?

Well I geuss if you post only to dumb down a point for somebody it is still repeating yourself, in any case it's aparent you still don't get it because if you did you'd either demonstrate your point with new info or just not post if you can't, which, it's likely you can't.

At 2/7/05 04:59 PM, Maus wrote: A pounding stereo, or partying neighbors makes vibrations that get through earplugs. Try sleeping through the night with your bed slightly shaking to a quarter note beat. earplugs are not the end all-be all that you seem to think they are. What are some other suggestions you have? Moving isn't always an option, nor should it be, especially if you were there first.

Either deal with it or don't live in a "free" country. Shit hate speech is legal, and I find it certainly more harmful than loud noise. You're supposed to put up with annoyances if you want to live free, not outlaw them. If you can't you shouldn't live in a "free" country.