America is WAY too political...

[holmzito]

Ha anyone ever stopped and really looked at how much politics influences our daily lives. I used to think laws were meant jus to protect our civil liberties, but know look at it. I once had a cop come to my Christian Youth Group organization because we wre too loud. Doesn't tha seem a little weird, to anyone out there. THere is so much crap that the US government won't let us do that doesn't hurt anyone else, and they make us do things that waste what little time we have on Earth. I know that anarchy will never exist, but we really need to tone it down on the control we are living under in the US.

[BeFell]

You were probably being too loud and keeping the little old lady down the street awake. Laws are in place to protect your rights and the rights of others.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 01:29 PM, BeFell wrote: You were probably being too loud and keeping the little old lady down the street awake. Laws are in place to protect your rights and the rights of others.

Ah horseshit, there is no "right not to be woken up". If you can't stand your loud and obnoxious neighbors, move. We're supposed to have "Freedom" in this country not "The ability to not be disturbed".

[BeFell]

At 2/6/05 01:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Ah horseshit, there is no "right not to be woken up". If you can't stand your loud and obnoxious neighbors, move. We're supposed to have "Freedom" in this country not "The ability to not be disturbed".

If you don't like it you can move.

[Maus]

At 2/6/05 01:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Ah horseshit, there is no "right not to be woken up". If you can't stand your loud and obnoxious neighbors, move. We're supposed to have "Freedom" in this country not "The ability to not be disturbed".

And I call bullshit on you.

For a small group of people to disrupt a large group of people's peace is not a right in this country. It's a nuisance. That's why there are noise laws.

Also, what if the loud and obnoxious neighbors moved in AFTER you? Who is right then?

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 01:36 PM, Maus wrote:
And I call bullshit on you.

For a small group of people to disrupt a large group of people's peace is not a right in this country. It's a nuisance. That's why there are noise laws.

Also, what if the loud and obnoxious neighbors moved in AFTER you? Who is right then?

I can list 100 pages of things that are a "nuisance" to me, but that doesn't mean they need to be illegal. Outlawing every little minor annoyance is just getting us nowhere but to be told we can only do few things because everything else annoys someone somewhere. Come on, that's ridiculus.

[Anarchy-Balsac]

At 2/6/05 01:35 PM, BeFell wrote:

If you don't like it you can move.

Oh wow what a strong arguement BeFell, looks like you lost the arguement after one post.

[Maus]

At 2/6/05 01:43 PM, JerkClock wrote: Come on, that's ridiculus.

You are the one blowing this way out of proportion.

Seriously, you think that someone should have the right to sit in a car with their ghetto blaster blaring at 1.30 am? Or that your neighbors in an apartment building should have the right to throw an über loud party until 4 am?

It infringes on your right to a good night's sleep, so that you can wake rested, and go to school/work in the pursuit of happiness. THAT, my friend, is a right.

[BeFell]

At 2/6/05 01:44 PM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 2/6/05 01:35 PM, BeFell wrote:

If you don't like it you can move.

Oh wow what a strong arguement BeFell, looks like you lost the arguement after one post.

Oh my, you are a clever one spotting the clear pwnage I recieved. Unless of course I did it intentioanaly to be ironic...

At 2/6/05 01:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: If you can't stand your loud and obnoxious neighbors, move.

Hmm... when your read that then read my post it actually looks like I won the argument, how about that. Perhaps you should go post in the general forum until you can deal with the higher level reading skills it requires to interact with the "big people."

[TehHazard]

Well then move to another country, if its so annoying.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 01:51 PM, Maus wrote:

Seriously, you think that someone should have the right to sit in a car with their ghetto blaster blaring at 1.30 am? Or that your neighbors in an apartment building should have the right to throw an über loud party until 4 am?

Yes and yes.

It infringes on your right to a good night's sleep, so that you can wake rested, and go to school/work in the pursuit of happiness. THAT, my friend, is a right.

There's no law saying you can't sleep, if you're unable to due to noise you are legally allowed to buy earplugs, it's not your neighbors fault if you are too stupid to do so.

Hmm... when your read that then read my post it actually looks like I won the argument, how about that. Perhaps you should go post in the general forum until you can deal with the higher level reading skills it requires to interact with the "big people."

I said move from where you're at(away from your neighbors), not out of the country. If you seriously think there's a contrast, you're a moron.

[Maus]

Well, sad to say, there ARE noise laws in effect.

If you hate them so much, petition to have them removed.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 02:06 PM, Maus wrote: Well, sad to say, there ARE noise laws in effect.

If you hate them so much, petition to have them removed.

There are also drug laws in effect, but that doesn't mean they're just. And yes that 2nd line is a good idea.

[Maus]

At 2/6/05 02:09 PM, JerkClock wrote: And yes that 2nd line is a good idea.

Oh noes, just what the topic starter hates. People being all 'political,' LOL.

;D

But yes, be proactive. It's one of the most American things you can do.

[Luxury-Yacht]

I don't think America is political enough. So many people don't give a shit about what happens in their own governmenr, it drives me mad. However, I believe that we are too "politically correct".

[AntiangelicAngel]

You should have told the cop he was impeding your right to free speech. Stop fucking whining. Baby want a bottle? Go bitch in General.

[Demosthenez]

At 2/6/05 03:51 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: You should have told the cop he was impeding your right to free speech. Stop fucking whining. Baby want a bottle? Go bitch in General.

Dude you are retarted. Close to every party this year has been been busted up by the cops. WHAT WE NEED IS A PLACE TO PARTY AND BE NOISY AND DRINK IN PEACE. Its crap. Last fridays I was there for 10 minutes and at 11 sharp the Highway Patrol shows up, trys to get a couple to kids to admit to drinkin and everyone bounced. I hate the cops for that reason. Other than that they are ok.

Telling the cops to fuck off will only get you in cuffs. And yes, I have seen it happen. Cops can do whatever the hell they want and we can do 0 about it.

[BeFell]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't underage drinking illegal? Adults can go to bars and nightclubs to drink and party. Children have no right to drink so there is no reason for them to have a place to do it.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 05:32 PM, BeFell wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't underage drinking illegal? Adults can go to bars and nightclubs to drink and party. Children have no right to drink so there is no reason for them to have a place to do it.

<sarcasm>Why yes, if it's "illegal" it's automatically immoral and should never be done</sarcasm>, cut the bullshit BeFell.

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/6/05 05:51 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/6/05 05:32 PM, BeFell wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't underage drinking illegal? Adults can go to bars and nightclubs to drink and party. Children have no right to drink so there is no reason for them to have a place to do it.

<sarcasm>Why yes, if it's "illegal" it's automatically immoral and should never be done</sarcasm>, cut the bullshit BeFell.

If it's illegal, it's not allowed, dipfuck. Police are paid to do their job. You know what their job is right? To enforce the law.

Morality has nothing to do with it.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 05:56 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

If it's illegal, it's not allowed, dipfuck. Police are paid to do their job. You know what their job is right? To enforce the law.

Morality has nothing to do with it.

Except that the arguement wasn't about cops, it's about kids having a place to party in peace where people won't whine to the cops about it.

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/6/05 06:00 PM, JerkClock wrote: Except that the arguement wasn't about cops,

Any drinking involved? Any community noise restrictions in place? Who do you think people call when the neighbors are being rowdy, the YMCA? The call the cops, who then enforce the laws. No underage drinking, no disturbances to the community.

it's about kids having a place to party in peace

Kids having a place to party, hm?

Think about that a little more and tell me again it's not about cops (aka the people who enforce the law).

where people won't whine to the cops about it.

If that's all you want, go out into the boonies, not in a neighborhood. Otherwise, prepare to deal with neighbors who're pissed because they can't sleep due to your loud music and other party shenanigans.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 06:05 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

Any drinking involved? Any community noise restrictions in place? Who do you think people call when the neighbors are being rowdy, the YMCA? The call the cops, who then enforce the laws. No underage drinking, no disturbances to the community.

In no way Is speaking out against unjust laws talking about the cops who either enforce it or go to jail for failing to do so.

it's about kids having a place to party in peace

Kids having a place to party, hm?

Think about that a little more and tell me again it's not about cops (aka the people who enforce the law).

The funny thing is your post shows you made this arguement before reading the whole sentence, yet you were stupid enough to stick your foot in your mouth by not erasing it:

where people won't whine to the cops about it.

Whiners, not cops dumbass.

If that's all you want, go out into the boonies, not in a neighborhood. Otherwise, prepare to deal with neighbors who're pissed because they can't sleep due to your loud music and other party shenanigans.

I know that, but BeFell doesn't seem to think kids should have any place to do it, that's what I was addressing, not whether or not any such places actually exist.

[Proteas]

At 2/6/05 02:00 PM, JerkClock wrote: Yes and yes.....There's no law saying you can't sleep, if you're unable to due to noise you are legally allowed to buy earplugs, it's not your neighbors fault if you are too stupid to do so.

You wouldn't be saying shit like that if it was happening to you, I guarentee it.

At 2/6/05 05:32 PM, BeFell wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't underage drinking illegal? Adults can go to bars and nightclubs to drink and party. Children have no right to drink so there is no reason for them to have a place to do it.

I would like to point out that it was a Christian Youth Party that the topic starter was talking about the cops coming to to investigate a disturbance of the peace.

Anybody else find anything wrong with that?

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/6/05 06:15 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/6/05 06:05 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

In no way Is speaking out against unjust laws talking about the cops who either enforce it or go to jail for failing to do so.

Speaking out against unjust laws? Quit trying to play it off.

At 2/6/05 05:51 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/6/05 05:32 PM, BeFell wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't underage drinking illegal? Adults can go to bars and nightclubs to drink and party. Children have no right to drink so there is no reason for them to have a place to do it.

<sarcasm>Why yes, if it's "illegal" it's automatically immoral and should never be done</sarcasm>, cut the bullshit BeFell.

I see you're speaking out quite well.

Whiners, not cops dumbass.

You're an idiot.

Force your neighbors to move then. Hell, just shoot them, they aren't real people anyways. Ever stopped to think others have rights that should be respected also? Their right to get a decent nights' sleep supercedes your right to be a loud obnoxious ass.
Get used to it, it's how real life works.

If that's all you want, go out into the boonies, not in a neighborhood. Otherwise, prepare to deal with neighbors who're pissed because they can't sleep due to your loud music and other party shenanigans.

I know that, but BeFell doesn't seem to think kids should have any place to do it,

Because it's illegal. What's wrong with him not believing kids shouldn't indulge in an addictive habit-forming drug? Are you retarded or just ignorant?

that's what I was addressing, not whether or not any such places actually exist.

Sounds to me like you were addressing the, and quote, "Whiners, not cops dumbass."

Just have a seat.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 06:17 PM, Proteas wrote:

You wouldn't be saying shit like that if it was happening to you, I guarentee it.

I onced lived with roommates who patried in the apartment all night even when I had to get up early, a neighbor with one of those really loud mufflers(sleeping by a window mind you), and currently in an area where people in their cars or appartments play loud music all day and night long because they want to. Don't tell me I haven't put up with this, I tolerate it because because I'm not the whiner type. It's happened so much in fact, that I no longer have any trouble sleeping when there's loud noise around me.

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/6/05 06:17 PM, Proteas wrote:
Anybody else find anything wrong with that?

We used to call 'em Bible Studies so the neighbors wouldn't get pissed if we got too loud.

Seriously though, noise is noise, and the cops have a duty to check it out if they gets complaints.

[JerkClock]

At 2/6/05 06:22 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:
Speaking out against unjust laws?

YES

I see you're speaking out quite well.

Unjust laws AND BeFell's idiocy, happy now?

You're an idiot.

Prove it, you have not

Because it's illegal.

You dumbass you just proved my point, because it's illegal is not a valid reason to think that.

Sounds to me like you were addressing the, and quote, "Whiners, not cops dumbass."

So if an individual part of my post addresses, "Whiners, not cops dumbass.", then my entire post, and previous posts, and future ones are also addressing it too right?

Look before you argue maybe you should relize your style

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/6/05 06:32 PM, JerkClock wrote: Nuh Uh!!!!!!!

Grow up. Acting like an immature crybaby won't get you far in life.

Understand that the law is there for a reason.

If you don't like it, write your representative.

Don't get pissed when you act like a fool and in turn, get burned.

Is this simple enough for you?

And yes, you are a whiner.

A whiner like the people you so despise.

[Proteas]

At 2/6/05 06:23 PM, JerkClock wrote: Don't tell me I haven't put up with this, I tolerate it because because I'm not the whiner type. It's happened so much in fact, that I no longer have any trouble sleeping when there's loud noise around me.

You know what? What may be normal in your neighborhood isn't neccessarily normal in others. Don't tell everybody else here that noise laws are rediculous just because your used to being around loud obnoxious sound sorces 24/7, because chances are that WE AREN'T AROUND SUCH NOISES THAT OFTEN.

Don't you think if the topic starters neighbors were used to such noise that they wouldn't have called the cops?