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why do people hate gay people

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Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 15:43:16


A few more:

BARRE, Vermont -- A Roxbury man is facing two life sentences for allegedly committing what Vermont State Police are calling "one of the more horrific sexual assault" crimes in recent memory. Casey Langlois, 24, has allegedly admitted to sexually assaulting an 11-year-old boy more than a dozen times over a two-year period. Langlois is being held without bail after pleading not guilty in Vermont District Court in Barre Friday to two felony aggravated sexual assault charges. Both carry a maximum sentence of life in prison. The 11-year-old told a social worker and a state police trooper that Langlois had forced him to engage in sexual acts more than 100 times in the past two years. The series of assaults began when the boy was 9 years old, court papers said, with the last incident occurring Nov. 11 in a hay barn.

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Peru still keeps on the books an old piece of legislation that dates all the way back to 1583. Passed by the Third Provisional Council of Lima, it states, "If there is anyone among you who commits sodomy, sinning with another man, or with a boy, or with a beast ... Let it be known that it carries the death penalty." Sodomy has long been a serious offense in Peru. A person who has engaged in it is first dragged through the streets on a rope. Hanging comes next! Finally, the corpse is burned while fully clothed. This symbolizes the sodomite's total destruction.

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Panama doesn't mess around when it comes to homosexuals and homosexuality. The law declares: "If any one of these males who commit this vile practice against nature with other males, he shall be degraded, and shall remain in perpetual exile." The penalty meted out for homosexual behavior is castration. The law also covers people who aren't homosexual themselves but associate with homosexuals. "Guilt by association" brings a penalty of a shaven head, one hundred lashes, and banishment.

The law in Honduras doesn't prohibit homosexuality, yet neither does it condone the practice. Sodomy, however, is strictly banned regardless of whether it's homosexual or heterosexual.

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In Lebanon, only men are legally allowed to have sex with animals. But the gender of the animal is important--it must always be female. A man's having sexual relations with a male animal is considered a mortal sin and brings a death penalty for those who get caught.

According to Iranian law, Islamic religious laws "must be obeyed and carried out by all--without exception and without argument. There is no other right, no other duty but obedience." This Middle Eastern country's Retribution Bill details the punishments for sex-related crimes such as fornication, homosexual activity, prostitution, and being a pimp. Each of these is punishable by death. Public morality is strictly enforced. Any man or woman even accused of adultery is shot.

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Jibrin Babaji a 43-year old man, has been sentenced to death by stoning by a Shari'a court in Bauchi, Nigeria. His crime is sodomy, the report continued that the judge said: "Since you have admitted to have committed sodomy with (names withheld) this honourable court has found you guilty of sodomy... and hereby sentences you to death by stoning

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11/17/2004 9:27:17 AM

Foster father pleads guilty to child rape, victims sue state

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TACOMA, Wash. -- A man who became a foster father two years ago has pleaded guilty to charges that he raped, photographed and exploited young boys in his charge.

Meanwhile, the families of seven children who were placed with Ronald Harold Young and his wife Wendy have filed claims totaling more than $24 million from Washington state.

Young, 41, of Home, a mobile home repair worker, was initially charged with 54 offenses but pleaded guilty Tuesday to two counts of first-degree child rape, four of sexual exploitation of a minor and one each of second-degree child rape and possession of child pornography.

Those crimes involve six boys ranging in age from 6 to 13 who were placed by the state at his house on the Key Peninsula west of Tacoma after he and his wife, who worked long hours at a grocery store, became foster parents in July 2002.

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Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 16:06:35


At 2/27/05 03:43 PM, DragonBunny wrote:

In Lebanon stuff

you have a source for that?

According to Iranian stuff

i guess so, iran is a bit extreme

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 16:08:33


Yes bunny,

They are despicable...
as human beings.

*eyes roll over*

Hitler was straight. OMG-- I hate the straighties...
*eyes roll over*

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 16:17:44


At 2/27/05 04:08 PM, fli wrote: Yes bunny,

They are despicable...
as human beings.

Hate the sins, not the sinner.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 16:21:05


At 2/27/05 04:06 PM, darklad wrote:
At 2/27/05 03:43 PM, DragonBunny wrote:
In Lebanon stuff
you have a source for that?

Yes.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 17:46:07


At 2/27/05 03:40 PM, DragonBunny wrote: February 05, 2005, Roanoke Times

Straight people are just as guilty of these crimes. Look at the lovely couple from Ohio that was just extradited from Canada.

GALENA, Mo. --

Straight men are just as guilty of this heinous behavior. Perverted Justice has many, many logs of these, and only a small minority are gay men.

Homosexuals Vandalize Two Baptist Churches

TAMPA, Fla. (BP)

Yet Fred Phelps can picket funerals. Nice double standard there.

Man charged after faking hate crime - "GAF" is "FAG" spelled backwards

Dan rather did the same damn thing years ago. What's the frequency Kenneth?

POMONA, Calif.

Severe mental illness.

I love how people scour the news trying to find these stories as proof that gays are scum, when in fact all of these behaviors can be attributed to straights as well.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 17:51:21


At 2/27/05 05:46 PM, Maus wrote:
I love how people scour the news trying to find these stories as proof that gays are scum.

Seek and ye shall find.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 18:01:26


At 2/27/05 05:51 PM, DragonBunny wrote:
At 2/27/05 05:46 PM, Maus wrote:
I love how people scour the news trying to find these stories as proof that gays are scum.
Seek and ye shall find.

Yes, you are looking so hard to find evidence of gay men being bad, that you fail to realize that you don't have to be a homosexual to engage in homosexual acts. A straight man rapes a little boy, when never having ever having sex with another male, does that make him homosexual? And even if it does, that does not show that gay men rape boys, it just shows that men who rape boys, regardless of their orientation, become gay. We could spend hours within this "chicken or egg" debate, but the fact is that these stories do nothing to prove that homosexuals are harmful to society. They only prove any point through semantics and inner biases.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 19:20:38


At 2/27/05 05:46 PM, Maus wrote:
At 2/27/05 03:40 PM, DragonBunny wrote: February 05, 2005, Roanoke Times
Straight people are just as guilty of these crimes. etc... (along with everything else she wrote).

Honestly DragonBunny, do we really have to pull up the thousands of articles that show straight men (and women) molesting young girls? Does this not show how being straight can be considered 'evil' and 'wrong'? We aren't claiming that homosexuals and bi's are incapable of crime, they are human. That is a pathetic way to justify your hatred for homosexuals in general... dislike the acts of the individual, not the group they are associated with. If we followed your way of thinking, we should hate all priests for their adulterous/illegal acts that a few of them have caused.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 20:47:35


Its just discrimination, dont worry about it. CLoseminded People fear anything different. People are just so concerned with complaining that tehy can't accept things, even things that have nothing to do with them. Everyone has pervisions they must fight, so no one is better or worse. Pervirsion whiles is at a small degree with heteruasexualty its all ignorance regardless. Like getting excited over body parts is childish. "OOoo an ass" you do realize what your talking about right. thats what some one sits and $#!ts out of, eww. Botom line the world is much bigger than some ones private parts. Now Im not gay, but it would makes sens that someone who hates is alot worse off than someone who's gay. maybe, their both a little confused in my opinon. I can't deny that males and females were made for a reason. But thats just the logic of me and the rest of the universe.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 22:35:01


At 2/27/05 06:01 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
A straight man rapes a little boy, when never having ever having sex with another male, does that make him homosexual?

Yes.

Very.

And a child molester to boot.

If you murder someone that makes you a murderer.

If you steal that makes you a thief.

If you have sex with another man (or boy) that makes you a homosexual.

“straight” men do not rape little boys. Only faggots\s do.

Have you ever heard of Nambla?

And even if it does, that does not show that gay men rape boys,

LOL! Good one! Funny!

Chris Rock, watch your back!

it just shows that men who rape boys, regardless of their orientation, become gay.

A transformation, so to speak?

We could spend hours within this "chicken or egg" debate,

It's not a debate, it's called a “circular argument” in "debating" terms.

Open a book on debating and see for yourself.

but the fact is that these stories (news articles, actually) do nothing to prove that homosexuals are harmful to society.

Of course not. Homosexuality makes a society healthy and happy. Drugs too!. Single parent “families” too!

Yaaay! for “progressiveness!

Yip, Yip, Yahoooo!

They only prove any point through semantics and inner biases.

...And case historys. And facts. And the history of civilized society...And...Well, you get the point...

But, other than that you’re one hundred percent right.

Gosh, you’re smart!

Keep up the good work!

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 22:36:59


Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs. Duh.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 23:00:24


Honestly DragonBunny, do we really have to pull up the thousands of articles

Thousands? I’ve only pulled up a few, but there are thousands.

that show straight men (and women) molesting young girls? Does this not show how being straight can be considered 'evil' and 'wrong'?

You were born as a result of a “straight” man and woman.

what more proof do you need that “straights” beget evil.

We aren't claiming that homosexuals and bi's are incapable of crime, they are human.

Actually, the topic is “why do people hate gays”, and I’ve given a few answers based on documented news stories.

That’s the question and I’m staying on topic by answering said question.

That is a pathetic

Name calling, the last refuge of he who is losing an argument. Now THAT’s pathetic.

way to justify your hatred for homosexuals in general...

You’re putting words in my mouth.

The topic is :\”why do people hate gays” and I posted real verifiable news stories as to why that may (or may not be ) so.

The pursuit of truth can hardly qualify as hate.

Dislike the acts of the individual, not the group they are associated with

How about the agenda they are associated with? Or do homosexuals not have an “agenda”?

Hmmm?

If we followed your way of thinking, we should hate all priests for their adulterous/illegal acts that a few of them have caused.

93 percent of molestation cases in the catholic church were due to man on boy (read homosexual) incidences.

Eliminate the homosexuals and you solved the problem by ninety percent.

The problem is faggots, not priests.

Google it, sweetie.

The problem isn’t with priests, it’s a problem with homosexuals.

Who the fuck are you trying to kid here?

not me.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 23:38:54


This whole thing was set up on why people hate gays, but all you people are doing is saying homosexuality is wrong or homosexuality is right. And now all you are doing is yelling at each other. Shame on all of you. YOu can't have a nice conversation once in a while. You all have to fight like idiots, constantly attacking each others opinions. FOR SHAME!!!!

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-27 23:49:50


At 2/27/05 11:00 PM, FetusBreath wrote: Google it, sweetie.

You just said "sweetie".
You live in Greenwich Village.
You hang out all day at the gym around sweaty buff men.
You're obsess with gay topics.
You flaunt your wife, though nobody doesn't care that you have a wife.

Darling, there is only one conclusion can make...

Come on, post a hermie pic.
Make our lives complete.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 00:03:50


At 2/27/05 11:00 PM, FetusBreath wrote: Who the fuck are you trying to kid here?

Was that supposed to be a joke?

Are men who rape men in prison homosexulas? Does the commision of a homosexual act make one a homosexual? Then if they have a heterosexual relationship what does that make them? They are disturbed, but not homosexuals.


Bellum omnium contra omnes

BBS Signature

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 00:20:42


At 2/27/05 11:49 PM, fli wrote: You just said "sweetie".
You live in Greenwich Village.
You hang out all day at the gym around sweaty buff men.
You're obsessed with gay topics.
You flaunt your wife, though nobody cares that you have a wife.
Darling, there is only one conclusion we can make...
Come on, post a hermie pic.
Make our lives complete.

In my opinion, this one makes for fli's best post ever.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 00:26:01


At 2/28/05 12:20 AM, Empanado wrote: In my opinion, this one makes for fli's best post ever.

I know... I know... but nobody else cares.
I get no respect.
...todos me paga en maní.

:-(

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 00:30:00


Honestly, who didn't see that coming with all the articles that he pulled out without elaborating on it personally.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 00:46:28


At 2/28/05 12:30 AM, FatherVenom wrote: Honestly, who didn't see that coming with all the articles that he pulled out without elaborating on it personally.

His posting style is very unique

two phrases never in the same line

short insults

bitter hatred of liberals

oh yeah, it's herman

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 00:49:42


At 2/28/05 12:26 AM, fli wrote: ...todos me paga en maní.

Every phrase in Spanish that you post is a swift kick in the nuts to the corpses of your Hispanic ancestors.

Stick with English.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-02-28 02:13:28


At 2/27/05 11:00 PM, FetusBreath wrote: Thousands? I’ve only pulled up a few, but there are thousands.

I'm sure there are. Point is, heterosexuals are just as guilty of rape or molestation as homosexuals... so what's your point? Just because they are "gay" makes their acts more "wrong" than if a straight person were to commit these acts?

You were born as a result of a “straight” man and woman.

Yeah, I've heard this argument before, and usually the people that say it believe that homosexuality is hereditary (just to show the intelligence level of the group). If it's hereditary, then why not let all the homosexual people pair off, that will put an end to the "problem", am I right? But ok, let's say you don't think that way (I really hope you don't). Yes, I was born by a straight man and woman into an -overpopulated- world. Did you go to college or university to figure that one out? What does that have to do with hating gays? "Well, they can't procreate with one another... so let's hate them"... yeah, THAT makes sense.

what more proof do you need that “straights” beget evil.

Oooohhh good one! I think you almost made me cry there. What is it that you're doing with your life exactly, just out of curiosity... Me? Oh I'm dedicating my life to fighting/preventing crime. Oh yeah, I'm evil alright!

Actually, the topic is “why do people hate gays”, and I’ve given a few answers based on documented news stories.

That’s the question and I’m staying on topic by answering said question.

Oh, that's all very well and good of you. I don't judge the material, I judge the context to which the material is delivered.

Name calling, the last refuge of he who is losing an argument. Now THAT’s pathetic.

Funny, given that you just said that I'm an evil product of two straight people... I love hypocritical statements. Oh, and then you say "THAT's pathetic"... isn't that just proof that perhaps YOU are losing, written through your own words? Interesting...

You’re putting words in my mouth.
The topic is :\”why do people hate gays” and I posted real verifiable news stories as to why that may (or may not be ) so.
The pursuit of truth can hardly qualify as hate.

Wow, you make yourself seem almost selfless in this matter, how honourable. And further, this isn't a pursuit of "truth" but "proof". Know the difference in the words you use.

How about the agenda they are associated with? Or do homosexuals not have an “agenda”?
Hmmm?

Hah, you seem to be the "enlightened" one of the two of us *smirk*, you tell me what this "agenda" the gays are plotting to release on the unsuspecting heterosexual community. And if you know about this "agenda", I would like to know how you came to obtain it... unless, you are a member? Perhaps you had a little stealth mission to drop in on one of their "gay meetings" where they were discussing the plans. Boy, those gays sure can be sneeky... lol

93 percent of molestation cases in the catholic church were due to man on boy (read homosexual) incidences.

You seem to know your statistics, what about the general population and child molestation?

Eliminate the homosexuals and you solved the problem by ninety percent.

Look at the environment that priests are in... which gender of child do they have better access to? And what do you propose we do about the 7 percent that aren't homosexually related?

The problem is faggots, not priests.

I could argue just as fairly that it is religion that causes homosexuality by your logic. I say we eliminate religion, and we'll eliminate the problem of priests molesting children... can't happen if there aren't any priests.

Google it, sweetie.

Wow, do you get all your "expert knowledge" from the internet? Know where I get mine?

"Peace, Justice: Human Rights Challenges for the New Millenium" By Martha McCarthy
"Irreconcilable Differences" By Thomas C. Caramagno
"Heterosexism: An Ethical Challenge" By Patricia Beattie Jung and Ralph F. Smith

Some good reading material... though it means picking up a published book.

The problem isn’t with priests, it’s a problem with homosexuals.

Proof of this? You've only shown a correlation between homosexual priests (though I don't believe that molesting a child of the same gender officially labels you as a "homosexual"... "child molestor" yes, but gay, not so much) and the molestation of children. I think I made my point on this already. Religion is the problem (That's not my actual belief, but the causal relationship is just as founded).

Who the fuck are you trying to kid here?
not me.

Yeah, I'm trying to fool you into believing into my false causes... maybe I'm trying to spring that "agenda" on you... maybe I'm one of THEM!!! lol You sure do seem paranoid once you actually read what you're typing down.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-01 05:35:30


I've just spent the best part of 40 minutes trying to take in all the points in this topic. I'd love to address every single point raised, but sadly, that's not possible, so I'm just going to give my opinion, whether people agree with me or not...well, who knows :-)

Why do people hate gay people?
I think care needs to be taken with the choice of words here. I assume by "hate", you're referencing those with a general dislike as well. Hate is a strong word that shouldn't be thrown around too easily.

As for the reasons people hate/dislike gay people, well, there are many. The most obvious cause, perhaps, is religion. It could be that their religion teaches them that homosexuality is a sin. Stereotypical preconceptions could be another reason - for those that don't actually have a friend or relative who is gay, it could be easy to think of gay people in a stereotypical light - camp men, butch women. It could be that the thought of a homosexual act disgusts them.

Whatever the reasons, it makes me sad that we've learned nothing from our centuries of prejudice and discrimination. Frankly, somebody's sexual orientation, their race, their religion, choice of clothes - whatever - is irrelevant to me. I believe in judging people on their personality, their individual merits. If I dislike somebody, it's not going to be because they're asian, or because they're gay, or because they're Jewish.

I honestly don't understand the attitudes of people that would judge others based on these criteria. At the end of the day, does any of it really matter? The important thing, essentially, is that we're all human. Beyond that, there should be no preconceptions. Acceptance should be based on familiarity.

Fair enough, if you get to know somebody and they irritate you, you have the right to stop talking to that person and hold opinions against them.

But passing judgement on somebody before knowing them, based on the criteria I mentioned above, is wrong. I bet a lot of the bigots in this world would be surprised if they got to know a variety of the people they dislike so much.

Acceptance isn't always easy. Yeah, I think somebody mentioned seeing a guy wearing make up etc and said it freaked them out. Well - I sympathise with that. I probably would have had a similar reaction not long ago.

But you know, whatever. I mean, it's that guy's choice. Credit to him, I say, for being who he wants to be and not taking notice of the stares and rude comments he undoubtedly gets. If that's how he feels comfortable; who are we to pass judgement on that man?

I know it's extremely unlikely to happen - at least in my lifetime - but damn, I would love to experience, even if only for a day, a world where there was no judgement before familiarity. Where prejudice, preconceptions, stereotypes did not exist. It makes me kind of sad that I will not get to experience that.

But maybe (if I have kids) my great, great grandchildren will get to experience something like that. For their sake, I hope so.

What I do know is, if the world...society...continues to judge and hate as we do now; then the future is bleak for us. What will we have to look forward to? More war, more death.

Sadly, my post isn't going to change the world. But maybe - just maybe - It can convince a couple of people to reconsider the way they view others. It will have been worthwhile even if I convince just one person to do that.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-01 10:26:39


At 3/1/05 05:35 AM, kangarooka wrote: Sadly, my post isn't going to change the world. But maybe - just maybe - It can convince a couple of people to reconsider the way they view others. It will have been worthwhile even if I convince just one person to do that.

I hope your post has this effect too. You put it out, straight forward, the reality of the situation, and I agree with your stance on familiarity. It may be a fools dream to believe in such a cause, but I would rather sit in hope than melt away in despair. Well said.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-02 10:13:01


Well I must admit im not about to read through all the comments (right now anyway, downloading, slow surfing), so im sorry if I step on any toes.

Now looking through the 1st and final page I saw the word ignorant come up, im not accepting that for a moment, discarding an argument based on the fact the opposition is ignorant is used time and time again, on almost all topics, but particularly in cases of predjudice, ie racism. There are many educated people in this world who are homophobic (educated doesnt mean they are particularly qualified in this issue I know, but im just saying homophobia is not an associate of the stupid). On a general point people often say things like, people who voted bush were stupid etc etc, despite the fact some of Americas finest minds would have no doubt voted for Bush.

I once saw a documentary about gays on tv, where they looked at what made a man and a woman different (in terms of brain scans), they discovered on part of the brain that was different and when they scanned the brains of homosexual people they found many had brains that on the scans looked female, ie evidence that being gay is genetic, a diease whatever. Ok fine, how does this justify being gay? Someone spell this out to me. 9/10 serial killers have two y chromosomes, but wait! its not their fault its a disease, let them go! how about no jim.

I particularly dislike the camp side of gay people. There is nothing worse than seeing a man (a so-called man), with a poncy walk, a high-pitched (over exaggerated) voice, bitchy-ness and when they make girly shrieky noises. Ok so not all gays are camp (thank god), but plenty of them are, and I also realise some straight men (well men im assured are straight) are also camp (but at a far smaller proportion than that of gay men).

I dislike the way they pleasure themselves, simply put its disgusting (its a one way system). You dont know where you stand with a gay man (though as far away as possible is generally good).

Oh and heres another thing I dont like, and I level this criticism at many groups of society. They are so fucking loud, gays wantthis gays want that, animal rights protesters want this want that, muslims want this want that, fuck me moan moan moan moan. You want to be treated like everyone else? then shutup and act like everyone else, you are seperating yourselves by starting these gays for whatever groups.

As for the fact that lesbians dont face the same predjudice men face (im sure it has been raised), well if you meet a female lesbian you cannot tell by a change of behaviour (which you can in men). All these jokes about them being 20 stones beasts etc etc, its just a joke. Also women are different to men, why should they recieve the same treatment? Its part of our society (or societies more like it, western culture) to treat women with more respect than men (whatever those femminists will tell you); an idea for the different treatment to homosexual men and women (lesbians dont bother me, say im a hypocrite - I dont think I am).

I wish there were no gays but there are, so I just have to get on with it. This is not the same as wishing all gays were dead by the way, its a wish that it simply did not exist in the first place. As this is the way the world is I show gay people the same respect I show any person I meet, even if I do disagree with their inclination.

Oh and I am not religious (in any way shape or form) before you get the impression I am trying to ram the bible down your necks.

Food for thought the greeks only penetrated slaves (and not the other way round).

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-02 13:08:12


Uhhh, I hate to point this out (actually in all honesty, I love it) but you are rather hypocritical in your speech here.

At 3/2/05 10:13 AM, Gutmunchr wrote: Now looking through the 1st and final page I saw the word ignorant come up, im not accepting that for a moment, discarding an argument based on the fact the opposition is ignorant is used time and time again, on almost all topics, but particularly in cases of predjudice, ie racism.

Take a note of your own words... here we go....


I once saw a documentary about gays on tv, where they looked at what made a man and a woman different (in terms of brain scans), they discovered on part of the brain that was different and when they scanned the brains of homosexual people they found many had brains that on the scans looked female, ie evidence that being gay is genetic, a diease whatever. Ok fine, how does this justify being gay? Someone spell this out to me. 9/10 serial killers have two y chromosomes, but wait! its not their fault its a disease, let them go! how about no jim.

Being a man of science, this does not indicate that the problem is genetic or a disease. This indicates that the brain while in it's development may have missed a stage or phase where the hormones of the fetus create a strictly male or female organism.

(go back to your notes) Serial killers have nothing to do with gays... and we do not simply let prisoners go that seem to have a double Y chromosome... if they do, I would like to know where you got this information. This simply provides a theory as to why serial killers are killers.

I particularly dislike the camp side of gay people. There is nothing worse than seeing a man (a so-called man), with a poncy walk, a high-pitched (over exaggerated) voice, bitchy-ness and when they make girly shrieky noises. Ok so not all gays are camp (thank god), but plenty of them are, and I also realise some straight men (well men im assured are straight) are also camp (but at a far smaller proportion than that of gay men).

(go back to your notes) Because you do not feel comfortable with gays does this give you a valid reason for society to dislike them. (remember your speech about how people shouldn't hate because of ignorance.... people shouldn't hate because of what makes them feel 'comfortable')

I dislike the way they pleasure themselves, simply put its disgusting (its a one way system). You dont know where you stand with a gay man (though as far away as possible is generally good).

(go back to your notes... AGAIN) Just because it disgusts you is not their fault. You may be disgusted with the way I eat a muffin (eat the bottom, then the top)... this does not mean it should be illegal or banned.

Oh and heres another thing I dont like, and I level this criticism at many groups of society. They are so fucking loud, gays wantthis gays want that, animal rights protesters want this want that, muslims want this want that, fuck me moan moan moan moan. You want to be treated like everyone else? then shutup and act like everyone else, you are seperating yourselves by starting these gays for whatever groups.

(NOTES!!!!) Groups that get along with the majority of society are also very loud and bitchy, if you hadn't noticed. Perhaps you didn't notice because you feel more comfortable with people who think like you. God forbid we have individuals in a society. "What, they are different in some way from me????... NOOOOO I can't allow it!!!!!!!!!!!!"

As for the fact that lesbians dont face the same predjudice men face (im sure it has been raised), well if you meet a female lesbian you cannot tell by a change of behaviour (which you can in men). All these jokes about them being 20 stones beasts etc etc, its just a joke. Also women are different to men, why should they recieve the same treatment? Its part of our society (or societies more like it, western culture) to treat women with more respect than men (whatever those femminists will tell you); an idea for the different treatment to homosexual men and women (lesbians dont bother me, say im a hypocrite - I dont think I am).

(*sigh*... notes... I'm getting sick of this now) Sexism is a problem in this country. If you start to deliver laws that are only applicable to one gender, then you are putting a further stress on gender inequality. And yes my son, you are a hypocrite if you say that it is perfectly normal (or acceptable) for women to love each other and not men. Believe it or not, there are straight people who enjoy watching straight men get off as well... although these are more of straight women who enjoy it than straight men.

I wish there were no gays but there are, so I just have to get on with it. This is not the same as wishing all gays were dead by the way, its a wish that it simply did not exist in the first place. As this is the way the world is I show gay people the same respect I show any person I meet, even if I do disagree with their inclination.

Well I certainly hope you do. Yes, we have a lot of things in this world that we wish didn't exist (such as rape and murder) but unfortunately they are a reality. However, things like rape and murder involve negativity, while homosexuality is about the love between two consenting adults, so I wouldn't put them in the same category (just realizing my own error on how I compared murder and homosexuality).

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-02 13:24:04


At 3/2/05 10:13 AM, Gutmunchr wrote: Well I must admit im not about to read through all the comments (right now anyway, downloading, slow surfing), so im sorry if I step on any toes.

Now looking through the 1st and final page I saw the word ignorant come up, im not accepting that for a moment, discarding an argument based on the fact the opposition is ignorant is used time and time again, on almost all topics, but particularly in cases of predjudice, ie racism. There are many educated people in this world who are homophobic (educated doesnt mean they are particularly qualified in this issue I know, but im just saying homophobia is not an associate of the stupid). On a general point people often say things like, people who voted bush were stupid etc etc, despite the fact some of Americas finest minds would have no doubt voted for Bush.

Ignorant =/= uneducated It simply means that they don't know about a certain issue. For example someone with a PhD in physics isn't automatically an expert on world economics. Well you could say the same things goes for homosexuality.

I once saw a documentary about gays on tv, where they looked at what made a man and a woman different (in terms of brain scans), they discovered on part of the brain that was different and when they scanned the brains of homosexual people they found many had brains that on the scans looked female, ie evidence that being gay is genetic, a diease whatever. Ok fine, how does this justify being gay? Someone spell this out to me. 9/10 serial killers have two y chromosomes, but wait! its not their fault its a disease, let them go! how about no jim.

Easy, killers KILL other people, gay people don't. Unless you can come up with some viable reasoning on why they are detrimental to the greater society the claim is unsubstantiated.

I particularly dislike the camp side of gay people. There is nothing worse than seeing a man (a so-called man), with a poncy walk, a high-pitched (over exaggerated) voice, bitchy-ness and when they make girly shrieky noises. Ok so not all gays are camp (thank god), but plenty of them are, and I also realise some straight men (well men im assured are straight) are also camp (but at a far smaller proportion than that of gay men).

So they are different, that is a poor justification of anything.

I dislike the way they pleasure themselves, simply put its disgusting (its a one way system). You dont know where you stand with a gay man (though as far away as possible is generally good).

Thats your opinion, not scientific fact. I know a couple of gay guys, they hit on me once or twice, I told them I was strait and that was it. Not exactly a traumatizing experience.

Oh and heres another thing I dont like, and I level this criticism at many groups of society. They are so fucking loud, gays wantthis gays want that, animal rights protesters want this want that, muslims want this want that, fuck me moan moan moan moan. You want to be treated like everyone else? then shutup and act like everyone else, you are seperating yourselves by starting these gays for whatever groups.

Yes damn them for protesting against the injustices they are recieving. They should just shut the fuck up and let the people that don't care about them run their lives.

As for the fact that lesbians dont face the same predjudice men face (im sure it has been raised), well if you meet a female lesbian you cannot tell by a change of behaviour (which you can in men). All these jokes about them being 20 stones beasts etc etc, its just a joke. Also women are different to men, why should they recieve the same treatment? Its part of our society (or societies more like it, western culture) to treat women with more respect than men (whatever those femminists will tell you); an idea for the different treatment to homosexual men and women (lesbians dont bother me, say im a hypocrite - I dont think I am).

LMAO, no that does make you a hypocrite. You don't like gay guys because "thats disgusting" yet if you saw two chicks making out you would probably like it. Also your notion that "Women recieve more respect than men" is grossly flawed. I'd go into it, but I have a post limit.

I wish there were no gays but there are, so I just have to get on with it. This is not the same as wishing all gays were dead by the way, its a wish that it simply did not exist in the first place. As this is the way the world is I show gay people the same respect I show any person I meet, even if I do disagree with their inclination.

So you hate them but you tolerate them. Ok my question would be do you support the various acts to ban gay marriage? Because you can't tolerate and discriminate against a group at the same time.

Oh and I am not religious (in any way shape or form) before you get the impression I am trying to ram the bible down your necks.

Food for thought the greeks only penetrated slaves (and not the other way round).

1. It wasn't just slaves were involved with the homosexual activity but apprentices as well. 2. I would like to hear where you got the "one way" info because what I've seen suggests differently.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-02 13:57:00


At 3/2/05 10:13 AM, Gutmunchr wrote: Food for thought the greeks only penetrated slaves (and not the other way round).

Actually, those were the romans. The greeks were TEH GH3YZ0RZ. Philosophers, apprentices, merchants, politicians... buttsecks everywhere.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-02 15:07:51


wasn't there also an army of 1000 gay lovers? i heard that on the history channel, it was either the greeks or the romans. whichever.

Response to why do people hate gay people 2005-03-02 15:10:26


At 3/2/05 03:07 PM, RBS13 wrote: wasn't there also an army of 1000 gay lovers? i heard that on the history channel, it was either the greeks or the romans. whichever.

I know that Alexander the Great was gay, which might explain why his army was so successful, because he fought for his men not only because of the cause of their battles, but because of his love for his men, and the love they had for their leader.