I beg you, learn from past mistakes

[stafffighter]

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/ne...optz&photoid=20041116WX101

Anyone remember someone else America trained and armed because we thought they would serve closer to our agenda than the people they were fighting? It was in that part of the world. Any guesses? The taliban.
The problem I have here is America acting as an authority figure in another countries affairs. You cannot give someone power and then assume they will contenue to see things the way you do. This mistake has been made before, hence the title.

[ReiperX]

But then who are we going to fight in 10 to 20 years?

[FatherVenom]

If I can't do it myself how can I expect my government to do it?

[BAWLS]

It's gonna be a long four years...

[Tombulgius]

At 2/2/05 04:09 PM, NotYouZ wrote: It's gonna be a long four years...

Certainly.

I actually like us being a bit aggressive, but I have qualms with Bush.

[Gunter45]

What you're saying is that we did something decades ago and didn't see the consequences that far in advance? Wow, sounds a lot like... everybody. Besides which, keeping the Soviets from advancing was a huge priority at the time. That's not to say that we didn't make a mistake, of course we did, but at the time, the Taliban appeared to be for a Democratic Afghanistan, which is why we supported them in the first place. So, about 20 years later, they've established themselves as an oppressive, terrorist supporting nation, oops.

[JoS]

I doubt they will be give RPGs and assault weapons, well maybe assault weapons, but not in the numbers and as acrelessly as before. They are equiping them to police, not to wage a war. Very different training and weapons. The Taliban was just give creates of guns and ammo and told to go nuts. Military aid is given allt he time. I think what and how much is given wont be like Afganistan. They don't need to blow up tanks and helicopters.

[stafffighter]

You said it yourself. A mistake was made. All I'm doing is saying that a sence of pattern regognition is a good thing to have.

[Demosthenez]

Hey, if they get some traning on how to police their own territory, I dont think that is gonna help them overthrow any goverments or anything in the future. Its not like they cant buy anything they would need to make big explosions right now anyways.

[Draconias]

You should also remember that we crushed the taliban within a month when they pissed us off. And we aren't meddling in other countries' affairs right now; we're fighting a direct war between us and half a dozen violent groups who hate us. If you didnt know, it was actually those violent groups (most working with Saddam) who set up Iraq to be the next battleground. They actually spent several months preparing, and even provoking the US intentionally. We can crush the Iraqis any time we need to, and we aren't "meddling" in affairs, we're kicking ass.

[JoS]

At 2/2/05 07:56 PM, Draconias wrote: . We can crush the Iraqis any time we need to, and we aren't "meddling" in affairs, we're kicking ass.

You have a strange definition of meddling.

[stafffighter]

At 2/2/05 07:56 PM, Draconias wrote: You should also remember that we crushed the taliban within a month when they pissed us off.

Really? That must be why bin laden is rotting in a prison cell as we speak. Oh wait a minute........

[ReiperX]

At 2/2/05 07:56 PM, Draconias wrote: You should also remember that we crushed the taliban within a month when they pissed us off.

And killed how many people in the 9/11 attacks, and destroyed what two major symbols of the USA? Al Queda is still strong, the US isn't doing much for Afganistan, and is fighting an unjust war in Iraq.

And we aren't meddling in other countries' affairs right now; we're fighting a direct war between us and half a dozen violent groups who hate us.

Lots of people hate the US, have you actually ever looked into some of the reasons why?

If you didnt know, it was actually those violent groups (most working with Saddam) who set up Iraq to be the next battleground.

Got some sources?

They actually spent several months preparing, and even provoking the US intentionally.

Again, sources

We can crush the Iraqis any time we need to, and we aren't "meddling" in affairs, we're kicking ass.

The Iraqis are not our enemies, they are supposivly the people we are attempting to help. We aren't kicking ass, we are occupying a country when we shouldn't be there in the first place, we should be looking for the man that President Bush has said that he isn' worried about anymore, the man responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

[Nylo]

Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside when you turn around and see we're training Iraq to fight on it's own on the other end of the spectrum, also.

[Nylo]

At 2/2/05 07:56 PM, Draconias wrote: And we aren't meddling in other countries' affairs right now; we're fighting a direct war between us and half a dozen violent groups who hate us.

Funny, I remember the President using a completely different statement for going to war. WMDs ring a bell....oh yeah, where are those?

If you didnt know, it was actually those violent groups (most working with Saddam) who set up Iraq to be the next battleground.

Hearing something on the radio and having a definite source are two very different things.

We can crush the Iraqis any time we need to,

Why is it that over half the people that support this war think we're actually fighting Iraq?

and we aren't "meddling" in affairs, we're kicking ass.

On September 11th, the country was told the plot was planned by a terrorist leader hiding in Afganistan. Several years later, we're fighing in a country that had ZILCH to do with terrorism when the initial declaration of war was launched.

You can not honestly tell me that "spreading freedom" somehow overlooks nations millions of times more opressed than Iraq, which coincidentally happens to have a financial motive. I am however, always open to new information and data. Any such that proves that this war was started with honest intentions and is anything BUT meddling would bring me much solace.

[Nylo]

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At 2/2/05 07:56 PM, Draconias wrote:

And we aren't meddling in other countries' affairs right now; we're fighting a direct war between us and half a dozen violent groups who hate us.

Funny, I remember the President using a completely different statement for going to war. WMDs ring a bell....oh yeah, where are those?

If you didnt know, it was actually those violent groups (most working with Saddam) who set up Iraq to be the next battleground.

Hearing something on the radio and having a definite source are two very different things.

We can crush the Iraqis any time we need to,

Why is it that over half the people that support this war think we're actually fighting Iraq?

and we aren't "meddling" in affairs, we're kicking ass.

On September 11th, the country was told the plot was planned by a terrorist leader hiding in Afganistan. Several years later, we're fighing in a country that had ZILCH to do with terrorism when the initial declaration of war was launched.

You can not honestly tell me that "spreading freedom" somehow overlooks nations millions of times more opressed than Iraq, which coincidentally happens to have a financial motive. I am however, always open to new information and data. Any such that proves that this war was started with honest intentions and is anything BUT meddling would bring me much solace.

[Deepeyes]

At 2/2/05 06:33 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: I doubt they will be give RPGs and assault weapons, well maybe assault weapons, but not in the numbers and as acrelessly as before. They are equiping them to police, not to wage a war. Very different training and weapons. The Taliban was just give creates of guns and ammo and told to go nuts. Military aid is given allt he time. I think what and how much is given wont be like Afganistan. They don't need to blow up tanks and helicopters.

The CIA did give the taliban alot more than just "guns and ammo." They recieved training, intel, guns, stinger missels, anti tank weapons. Oh yes and millions upon millions of dollors.

(this part isn't aime at you JusticeofSarcasm)
I also agree that alot of people are deluding themselves with the reason they went to war. The war and all the evidence supporting it was based on the pretence that Iraq had WMD. And then to run out terroriest, but the war created these terrorist. It created a reason and a cause. Don't get me wrong It's great that sadams gone, but also consider this, Sadam is not a stupid man he didn't get to be a dictartor by chance. He knows the only way he can stay in power is to make sure he gave no excuse to the west to invade and detrone him. Inorder to insure this he made suer he ahd NO WMD and no terrorist activities within Iraq. I still rember all that bullshit intel photos and reports being fed to use by the pentagon.