Gotta hand it to Dub-yuh

[D2Kvirus]

Who else would have the balls to single-handedly restart the Cold War? GENIUS!

[Slizor]

Yes and piss the chinese off as well

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

He didn't even know there was a cold war to begin with! He just thought "Russia was mean..." I can't wait until I can vote his ass out of office!

[D2Kvirus]

He didn't even know there was a cold war to begin with! He just thought "Russia was mean..." I can't wait until I can vote his ass out of office!

If someone doesn't add him to the Hall of fame occupied by Lincoln, McKinley and JFK first...

[Slizor]

"As you know we are studying safe levels of arsenic to put into the water supply"
Guess which current President came out with that gem of information?

[Mos]

At 4/4/01 09:28 AM, D2KVirus wrote: Who else would have the balls to single-handedly restart the Cold War? GENIUS!

This is not another Cold War. US-Chinese relations have been strained for a long time. If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

[P-Chan]

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

[Mos]

At 4/6/01 02:09 AM, P-Chan wrote:

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

[D2Kvirus]

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

This is from the same US spy plane that was doing a Cold War tour of duty in Chinese air space despite warnings not to, isn't it?

[mysdaao]

At 4/6/01 10:48 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

This is from the same US spy plane that was doing a Cold War tour of duty in Chinese air space despite warnings not to, isn't it?

No, the plane was not in Chinese air space. It was over 60 miles off their coast, which is international waters.

[Slizor]

No, the plane was not in Chinese air space. It was over 60 miles off their coast, which is international waters.

That is what people call a technicality. Who the hell is going to spy on international waters?
Mos: The thing is the americans killed a pilot and then crashed in chinese territory, that allows them to detain it.
The Americans know they are in the wrong, thats why they expressed "deep regret" for what has happened, but they still failed to apologised.

[mysdaao]

At 4/7/01 06:13 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

No, the plane was not in Chinese air space. It was over 60 miles off their coast, which is international waters.

That is what people call a technicality. Who the hell is going to spy on international waters?
Mos: The thing is the americans killed a pilot and then crashed in chinese territory, that allows them to detain it.
The Americans know they are in the wrong, thats why they expressed "deep regret" for what has happened, but they still failed to apologised.

That's not true. Nobody knows who caused the accident that killed the Chinese pilot. However, it is known that their plane can travel much, much faster than ours. Also, Chinese planes have been aggressive in the past against our planes to try to intimidate us. So don't go making accusations just yet.

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 4/7/01 11:06 AM, mysdaao wrote:

At 4/7/01 06:13 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

No, the plane was not in Chinese air space. It was over 60 miles off their coast, which is international waters.

That is what people call a technicality. Who the hell is going to spy on international waters?
Mos: The thing is the americans killed a pilot and then crashed in chinese territory, that allows them to detain it.
The Americans know they are in the wrong, thats why they expressed "deep regret" for what has happened, but they still failed to apologised.

That's not true. Nobody knows who caused the accident that killed the Chinese pilot. However, it is known that their plane can travel much, much faster than ours. Also, Chinese planes have been aggressive in the past against our planes to try to intimidate us. So don't go making accusations just yet.

It seems that the Chinese fighter pilot would be the one at fault, but the Chinese are treating the captives well, all the Chinese want is an apology(despite being probably at fault), Georgy boy should just apologise & that should start the ball rolling in the right direction.

[D2Kvirus]

It seems that the Chinese fighter pilot would be the one at fault, but the Chinese are treating the captives well, all the Chinese want is an apology(despite being probably at fault), Georgy boy should just apologise & that should start the ball rolling in the right direction.

The odds of that happening are how many million to one?

[Slizor]

It seems that the Chinese fighter pilot would be the one at fault, but the Chinese are treating the captives well, all the Chinese want is an apology(despite being probably at fault), Georgy boy should just apologise & that should start the ball rolling in the right direction.

It can "seem" anything, depends which way you look at it and where you get your sources from

[Mos]

At 4/9/01 10:18 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

It seems that the Chinese fighter pilot would be the one at fault, but the Chinese are treating the captives well, all the Chinese want is an apology(despite being probably at fault), Georgy boy should just apologise & that should start the ball rolling in the right direction.

The odds of that happening are how many million to one?

The problem is that an apology would be a disaster.

First, it would be a political disaster. Most people think that the US should NOT apoligize, and it might affect Bush in the next election.

It would be an international disaster. It would send a signal to the rest of the world that the new administration is weak.

There are a bunch of others that I don't care to mention.

[Slizor]

The problem is that an apology would be a disaster.

First, it would be a political disaster. Most people think that the US should NOT apoligize, and it might affect Bush in the next election.

It would be an international disaster. It would send a signal to the rest of the world that the new administration is weak.

There are a bunch of others that I don't care to mention.

Thats utter bollocks.
One the next election is in 4 years and if Bush stays true to form he definatly won't be elected next time.
Two What so they apolgise once and what are they gonna get invaded? I don't think so, its just about image and no-one bloody needs one

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 4/9/01 10:31 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

It seems that the Chinese fighter pilot would be the one at fault, but the Chinese are treating the captives well, all the Chinese want is an apology(despite being probably at fault), Georgy boy should just apologise & that should start the ball rolling in the right direction.

It can "seem" anything, depends which way you look at it and where you get your sources from

You fly into a propellor & it's your fault, Just like t-boning a double decker bus with a mini minor would be your fault, so yeah, the crash was the Chinese Pilot's fault but America should just swallow their pride & appologise to China so they can get their men back.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 4/6/01 08:00 AM, Mos wrote:

At 4/6/01 02:09 AM, P-Chan wrote:

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

So...? American would do the exact same thing if we caught a spy plane from a communist country.

[P-Chan]

At 4/16/01 10:52 AM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 4/6/01 08:00 AM, Mos wrote:

At 4/6/01 02:09 AM, P-Chan wrote:

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

So...? American would do the exact same thing if we caught a spy plane from a communist country.

Good point. And that raises an interesting question...

How many countries out there perform similar survelliance scannings around US waters?

Anyone?

[D2Kvirus]

At 4/29/01 11:30 PM, P-Chan wrote:

At 4/16/01 10:52 AM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 4/6/01 08:00 AM, Mos wrote:

At 4/6/01 02:09 AM, P-Chan wrote:

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

So...? American would do the exact same thing if we caught a spy plane from a communist country.

Good point. And that raises an interesting question...

How many countries out there perform similar survelliance scannings around US waters?

Anyone?

Probably very few. Dub-yuh being a little too close to The Button would scare the shit outta me...

[KaneOfNod]

At 4/29/01 11:30 PM, P-Chan wrote:

At 4/16/01 10:52 AM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 4/6/01 08:00 AM, Mos wrote:

At 4/6/01 02:09 AM, P-Chan wrote:

If China just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade out and no one will have to save-face.

I'm unfamiliar with the situation, but your comment "if the chinese just let go" sounds rather US-centric.

Why not if the US just lets go and both sides back off, the situation will fade and no one will have to save-face?

Because China is holding 24 people hostage.

So...? American would do the exact same thing if we caught a spy plane from a communist country.

Good point. And that raises an interesting question...

How many countries out there perform similar survelliance scannings around US waters?

Anyone?

And how many countries does the US say it retains the right to invade (Taiwan)?