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Good morning to you as well sir! Welcome to our fine establishment! Pull up a chair and join in our chin wag, current discussion revolves around the extermination of George Bush and Tony blair by Hezbollah whilst they are on a golfing holiday and holiday destinations.

hah! a mighty fine idea, although not necessarily practical :)

i believe we are in a near helpless situation as regards tony and georgey boy. A chap such as myself can only maintain an open mind and try not to surrender to the belief that all foreign johnnys are intent on the destruction of our beloved nation. It seems to me that both sides are the victims of carefully controlled information, both of which are contriving to spread confusion and preferably fear to their respective kin. whilst we are being pumped full of media such as: friends, the west wing, daily mail and hollywood.(to name but a few) this presents the average joe with an irrisistable and promising view of the folks in charge and the state of play. when its pretty clear this isnt the case.
The beauty is, as television has matured, governments and media moguls have come to realise the power television has to render a person comatose, passive and absolutely susceptable.

meanwhile, the equivalent rascals batting for the 'muslim' agenda are the recipients of the sharp end of our corporate stick. As such, the more charismatic and firey fellow's use this western menace to rally the ill-informed around to a common cause.

To my mind we seem to be in whats come to be known as 'the end-game' and its only a matter of time before relatively small conflicts like this recent situation between isreal and hezbollah turns into a much more broad and extensive conflict between for westerners: freedom and terror, and for muslims: allah and his enemies.

ironically, freedom is the one thing we are so slyly being coaxed away from by our own pillars of society.

Its such a real shame that without confusion and scare-mongering these issues may not reach such epic and critical proportions but with the aid of media hype we will inevitably just 'nuke' ourselves.

My appologies for turning this into a monster conspiracy rant.

In future if we could just discuss apples and perhaps your favorite ale i'll stay on topic :)

waga

At 8/15/06 08:27 AM, Splagawaga wrote: hah! a mighty fine idea, although not necessarily practical :)

Not practical at all, but I one can dream :-)

To my mind we seem to be in whats come to be known as 'the end-game' and its only a matter of time before relatively small conflicts like this recent situation between isreal and hezbollah turns into a much more broad and extensive conflict between for westerners: freedom and terror, and for muslims: allah and his enemies.

Sadly, one is of the same opinion. All it is going to take is another screw up in the middle eats and potentially, we have The west versus the rest of the world.

ironically, freedom is the one thing we are so slyly being coaxed away from by our own pillars of society.

Indeed, one of the reasons I support the Lib Dems is that they actually take our freedoms and rights seriously, unlike Labour and the Tories who either don't care about our freedoms or would dearly love to remove our rights to certain things like good health.

Its such a real shame that without confusion and scare-mongering these issues may not reach such epic and critical proportions but with the aid of media hype we will inevitably just 'nuke' ourselves.

Again, one believes you are correct, but what can be done about the situation? Surely the best plan of action is to educate people properly so they do not just follow what they hear blindly on the news or from whatever media source their opinion originates from. But with the state education is in at the moment, and no signs of that changing any time soon, I fear that the bets fix for the problem is not possible at the moment.

My appologies for turning this into a monster conspiracy rant.

In future if we could just discuss apples and perhaps your favorite ale i'll stay on topic :)

waga

i dont recall who this quote originates from but it is certainly very astute

'it doesnt matter who you vote for, the government always gets in'

Even so i believe you are right to at least remove your vote from the tories and labour consituents. As regards educating the general populus, there isnt a whole lot one can do. i often find myself initiating political discussions with people i meet and by and large we dont cover much ground. its very easy to get consumed into politician bashing, especially as these conversations often take place after a few beverages.

To my mind the best policy seems to be, whereever appropriate attempt to present the truth's you may have come across and to maintain a truthful and moral standing as a person. It is most certainly the job of an english gent to be just at all times.

what can i say?

i like granny smith apples and spitfire.

i also forgot to mention,

if u ever try to present an alterior and often negative view of our great western societies people find it extremely hard to grasp that certain atrocities are even possible, such is there level of inertia.

At 8/15/06 09:11 AM, Splagawaga wrote: 'it doesnt matter who you vote for, the government always gets in'

I don't believe I've heard that before, but it is very true.

To my mind the best policy seems to be, whereever appropriate attempt to present the truth's you may have come across and to maintain a truthful and moral standing as a person. It is most certainly the job of an english gent to be just at all times.

Whilst doing ushc is a good idea, to truly make a difference you would need more than jsut grass roots level resistance. You need someone up at the top doing something to change how we behave and perceive things.

what can i say?

More tea?

i like granny smith apples and spitfire.

Golden delicious is my favourite apple and one is more partial to wine than ale.

to digress a little...

The Ashes this winter.....

Does any1 know the state of play concerning coverage? Has rupert murdoch hoovered up the rights or will channel 4 be airing it for all to see?

i hope the latter is the case.

At 8/15/06 06:38 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: True, and when you consdier that it would be John Prescott taking over for us if Blair went, then the idea does lose its appeal slightly.

It becomes more appealing when you take into consideration that Prescott will only lose a battle with Brown, so we'll have him take over

marginally more appealing

At 8/15/06 11:58 AM, Coop83 wrote: It becomes more appealing when you take into consideration that Prescott will only lose a battle with Brown, so we'll have him take over

marginally more appealing

If It's a choice between brown and Prescott I know who'll get my vote. Cameron.

<makes sign of the cross for mentioning the name of a tory>

Seriously though, if I was forced to choose between those two for PM, I WOULD vote for Cameron.

At 8/15/06 11:44 AM, Splagawaga wrote: Does any1 know the state of play concerning coverage? Has rupert murdoch hoovered up the rights or will channel 4 be airing it for all to see?

i hope the latter is the case.

I think Murdoch managed to get his greasy mits on them, as I seem to recall that some MP's tried to petition the PM to get it kept off Sky and left on terrestial.

well, its a valiant effort by whomever was concerned to try and keep his grubby mits off them and keep it atleast attainable for the rest of us. nevermind eh?

i understand where you're coming from not wishing to vote tory but as u say, if they are the two options then what choice do we have?

personally im going to concentrate on my own spiritual enlightenment to make sure that when it comes to the crunch i wont be left behind :)

At 8/15/06 01:22 PM, Splagawaga wrote: i understand where you're coming from not wishing to vote tory but as u say, if they are the two options then what choice do we have?

Well we c ould always vote Monster Raving Looney, or the fine member sof thsi establishment could reform the Tea Party and run for Government ourselves. our Motto could be " Liberty, Justice, Feedom, and tea ,with or without, sugar for all!

personally im going to concentrate on my own spiritual enlightenment to make sure that when it comes to the crunch i wont be left behind :)

That sounds like a very good plan. One thinks I'll join you in it. Now all i need is a buddhist temple to tell me how to get to Nirvana...

That sounds like a very good plan. One thinks I'll join you in it. Now all i need is a buddhist temple to tell me how to get to Nirvana...

hehe, one thinks u may perhaps be better off with a buddhist than a temple. unless infact you plan on taking enough halucinogens that the temple will infact explain the secrets of enlightenment itself.

on a side note, seeing as you are so swift with your responses it gives me reason to believe you have rather alot of time on your hands. so why not check out my audio submissions to hear some good english music of my very own design.
/pimp

enjoy

At 8/15/06 01:40 PM, Splagawaga wrote: on a side note, seeing as you are so swift with your responses it gives me reason to believe you have rather alot of time on your hands. so why not check out my audio submissions to hear some good english music of my very own design.

I have to say, one isn't normally into such music but I actually quite enjoyed At Ease. Very well done sir.

Looks like its just you and me keep the goodship alive today tnt.
we best start spamming rubbish to bring this old girl to the top of the list.

At 8/15/06 05:17 PM, Splagawaga wrote: Looks like its just you and me keep the goodship alive today tnt.
we best start spamming rubbish to bring this old girl to the top of the list.

Tea, crumpets, butlers, top hats and the dear old queen!

I think that fulfills my spam quota for the day.

Btw old boy, I'vre had a listen to all of your music and I really am impressed with what you've made. What do you use to create your " Funky rhythms" as all the hip kids say.

Hello old chaps, I am in quite a depressed mood. You see I live in Staffordshire, and the BNP are gaining power here! As much as my family tries to raise awareness of these...Nazis! But to no avail, for there is a high unemployment rate and the BNP feed off that!

Morning old chaps, pass the tea will you?

Anyway do any of you have an idea on what I should do about the BNP growing in my area, even if it is just a counsel election!

At 8/16/06 07:24 AM, Hydra9 wrote: Anyway do any of you have an idea on what I should do about the BNP growing in my area, even if it is just a counsel election!

Well, there isn't really much you can do, being only 13 and therefore unable to vote.

Personally, I'd bring the matter up with your school teachers and ask them what can be done. Desmonstrate againts them if there's a chance, that's always a good idea.

I shouldnt worry about it too much old chap, the BNP will never amount to anything more than a minor novelty party for suckering in pockets of nationalist pride. im afraid i dont know enough about the workings of local council to know how much difference a small following specifically in your area will make. they really are nothing to worry about. killroy silk ensured us of that.

hope that was of help :)

Hah. 18 in exactly 3 months. I shall be voting for young Dave and his young, hip, green Tories next time. Not out of unanimous agreement, but more simply out of disillusionment with the establishment- and the fac tthat the lib dems are not a viable form of alternative to the big two.

Anything to deny Gordon.

At 8/16/06 05:51 PM, Splagawaga wrote: I shouldnt worry about it too much old chap, the BNP will never amount to anything more than a minor novelty party for suckering in pockets of nationalist pride. im afraid i dont know enough about the workings of local council to know how much difference a small following specifically in your area will make. they really are nothing to worry about. killroy silk ensured us of that.

I thought Kilroy was a member of UKIP before spawning his own party Veritanned.

Regardless, the BNP are just a mild annoyance. Any ground they have gained at elections and the like will be removed come the next General election as Blair won't be the hea dof the labour party meaning the dissillusioned voters will quite simply go back voting to Labour.

Besides, the advances that the BNP made aren't important. The Greens made the exact same gains as the BNP but no one seems to think that the Greens are going to take over so if the greens aren't going to suddenly gain power, then neither are the BNP.

i would like to generate some discussion this evening. this gentlemen's club is looking alot more like an old man's ale-pit with 2 old geezers propping up the bar at closing time.

My problem is, i dont know what it is that would be best to discuss...

As is one of my favorite pass-times, i think its best to just shoot the breeze.

so reply as you will and lets get this ball rolling!

At 8/16/06 05:56 PM, Splagawaga wrote: i would like to generate some discussion this evening. this gentlemen's club is looking alot more like an old man's ale-pit with 2 old geezers propping up the bar at closing time.

I say :-( That's a bit harsh!

My problem is, i dont know what it is that would be best to discuss...

Well, we ar eopen to msot forms of debate I should imagine.

As is one of my favorite pass-times, i think its best to just shoot the breeze.

Poor breeze. What did it do to you to make you want to shoot it? I wouldn't watse bullets on the breeze old boy. Save it for the Chavs that tresspass on our land.

so reply as you will and lets get this ball rolling!

hmmm Topic for discussion....

Seeing as I'm getting my exam results tomorrow, how about we discuss Universities?

"University degrees are meaningless": Discuss

At 8/16/06 05:56 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 8/16/06 05:51 PM, Splagawaga wrote: I shouldnt worry about it too much old chap, the BNP will never amount to anything more than a minor novelty party for suckering in pockets of nationalist pride. im afraid i dont know enough about the workings of local council to know how much difference a small following specifically in your area will make. they really are nothing to worry about. killroy silk ensured us of that.

I thought Kilroy was a member of UKIP before spawning his own party Veritanned.

Regardless, the BNP are just a mild annoyance. Any ground they have gained at elections and the like will be removed come the next General election as Blair won't be the hea dof the labour party meaning the dissillusioned voters will quite simply go back voting to Labour.

Besides, the advances that the BNP made aren't important. The Greens made the exact same gains as the BNP but no one seems to think that the Greens are going to take over so if the greens aren't going to suddenly gain power, then neither are the BNP.

Ah yes, UKIP, i forget all the names of these quaint little attempts at politics :) its a bit like the difference between a stall at a local craft fair and tesco's. They all blend together into 1 inconsequential craft fair.

"University degrees are meaningless": Discuss

A well established but interesting point, i suppose your on the verge of receiving your degree results yes?

ill predict a 2:1. it seems to be the solid average.

to my mind, degrees have become like any asset that becomes more widespread, they have inevitably lost there value. its the impossible situation that universities and modern oportunism presents. A degree is only as good as its rareity. by making it more available to joe public it also cheapens the quality of its base value. Simply by opening universities up to give access to this 'most valueable' of qualifications it instantly becomes less elite and therefore less of a golden ticket.

impossible situation.

i havent checked over this last paragraph so it could possibly be a complete mess i havent had time to fix it. i have to play a 1.6 match (to any1 who know what i mean). ill be back in 30-45

toodle pip for now chaps.

At 8/16/06 06:09 PM, Splagawaga wrote:

"University degrees are meaningless": Discuss

A well established but interesting point, i suppose your on the verge of receiving your degree results yes?

Not at all. I have another year before I even go to University. I'm recieving the rather worthless AS Level reuslts tomorrow. So as of tomorrow I can officialy say that I have 1/2 an A level in each of my chosen subjects! Thank you mr Blair for creating a worthless qualification.

to my mind, degrees have become like any asset that becomes more widespread, they have inevitably lost there value. its the impossible situation that universities and modern oportunism presents. A degree is only as good as its rareity. by making it more available to joe public it also cheapens the quality of its base value. Simply by opening universities up to give access to this 'most valueable' of qualifications it instantly becomes less elite and therefore less of a golden ticket.

The situation in universities is one where unless you manage to get into eithe ra red brick university or Oxbridge, your degree is worthless unless you can get the specific job you want that utilises the skills you have learnt.

What I find msot irritating is that Degrees in thing ssuch as Plumbing and carpentry ar eon offer. Whislt these are important jobs and respectable trades, you don't need a degree in it. A degree is supposed to be a sign that you are a par tof the creme de la creme. The best of the best in academic studies. It should denote intelligence, hard work and dedication. Instead it just shows that you managed to ge tinto university like every other Joe Bloggs that applied.

When there ar euniversities that will offer you a palce on a course for the equivalent of passing one A level with a grade D, you KNOW something is wrong

toodle pip for now chaps.

See you later old boy!

At 8/16/06 05:53 PM, gary_percival wrote: Hah. 18 in exactly 3 months. I shall be voting for young Dave and his young, hip, green Tories next time. Not out of unanimous agreement, but more simply out of disillusionment with the establishment- and the fac tthat the lib dems are not a viable form of alternative to the big two.

What we need to realise is that there is no politician who will possibly make a good government. They are all as bad as one another.

That said, I still wouldn't vote for the tories if you paid me or if they were the only candidates (not bloody likely)

Which brings me to a nice point. We should have an 'abstain' vote made available, showing that you have no faith in any of the candidates and that they need to try again with their policies / candidate. Rather than people staying at home, having their votes tallied onto the eventual winner's total, they should get up an voice their lack of faith with the politicians.

Would make for an interesting general election, wouldn't it?

At 8/16/06 05:51 PM, Splagawaga wrote: I shouldnt worry about it too much old chap, the BNP will never amount to anything more than a minor novelty party for suckering in pockets of nationalist pride. im afraid i dont know enough about the workings of local council to know how much difference a small following specifically in your area will make. they really are nothing to worry about. killroy silk ensured us of that.

Its not that im worried about. In every town and city that the BNP gains a councel member racial attacks grow! And more and more people become racist, and im half asian!

At 8/17/06 08:45 AM, Hydra9 wrote: Its not that im worried about. In every town and city that the BNP gains a councel member racial attacks grow! And more and more people become racist, and im half asian!

I'd love to help you here, but all I could really suggest is that you enrol in self defence classes.

At 8/17/06 08:01 AM, Coop83 wrote: Would make for an interesting general election, wouldn't it?

It would indeed make for an interesting election. However, to really make that worth while you'd have to make voting compulsory. Otherwise the abstain box would be a waste of ink as the majority of those whoa r elikely to abstain, wouldn't bother turning up anyway.

My As Level results are in chaps!

One has scored an A in Government and politics, a B in History( though it's an A in all but name as I was one mark off of an A), a B in geogrphy, and, rather disastorously, a D in my English Course( which means I am taking the retake at christmas).

All in all not too bad. God knows what happened with my English, but I have a chance to improve upon it and I'm going to take that chance.

At 8/17/06 09:05 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 8/17/06 08:45 AM, Hydra9 wrote: Its not that im worried about. In every town and city that the BNP gains a councel member racial attacks grow! And more and more people become racist, and im half asian!

I'd love to help you here, but all I could really suggest is that you enrol in self defence classes.

Im a pacafist (spelling?) ! So far my best option is too help my dad pass out pamphlets!