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Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 03:12 AM Reply

Yup, we lost the frontpage news again. Will the madness ever stop? Ross has been working on transfering the user sessions to track on our server, but the server has been choking on it. He is trying another method, so bear with us.

In the meantime... Uh.... So the Pope thinks the Internet "needs regulation to stop depravity flooding cyberspace". He also added, "For the church the new world of cyberspace is a summons to the great adventure of using its potential to proclaim the Gospel message."

Translation: "The Internet is another way for the church to get rich and keep fooling people!"

GREAT... Will this guy die or what?! Now that the Pope has recommended regulating the internet, who knows how many religious nuts and politicians will follow.

BTW - did you know people arrested for marijuana on average spend more time in jail than convicted rapists and murderers? There is a great article about it in the new Maxim. Here are some interested stats to chew on:

1) If we stopped the "war on drugs" we would save over $19 billion per year...

2) If we allowed the legal sale of marijuana it would generate close to $2 billion in sales tax based on the rate people are CURRENTLY buying it (illegally).

3) Our prisons would have MANY less inmates... Less people your tax dollars are going to feed.

What does everyone think?


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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 03:20 AM Reply

Umm.. I think that smokin up makes ppl lame in a long running sense... heh... see... what the government really cares about is seeing the production of beauty in it's nation.. I mean.. there are certain places that exist where the only way in is by getting smoked out.. I know... but in the over all.. ppl don't seem to manage well with it...
As for the Pope... I would really love to know that 1 thing he knows... and no one else knows.. but oh well.. he'll be dead soon.. give it a month...

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 03:39 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 03:12 AM, TomFulp wrote: Translation: "The Internet is another way for the church to get rich and keep fooling people!"

I hate all religions because of the way they force themselves on people with lies and propagander... and the hipocritical part of it is that they condemn the next religion for doing the exact same thing.

This is what I say to the pope: Good luck buddy. There is no way the internet can be regulated to such a degree as to what the pope would want. Sure, they can crack down on a few porn sites, but that's about it. It was only a matter of time before religious leaders realised they can try and brainwash people by censoring the internet... and it makes me sick. It is crushing our rights of freedom and rights of choice... basically it's just internet communism.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 04:07 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 03:12 AM, TomFulp wrote: Yup, we lost the frontpage news again. Will the madness ever stop? Ross has been working on transfering the user sessions to track on our server, but the server has been choking on it. He is trying another method, so bear with us.

In the meantime... Uh.... So the Pope thinks the Internet "needs regulation to stop depravity flooding cyberspace". He also added, "For the church the new world of cyberspace is a summons to the great adventure of using its potential to proclaim the Gospel message."

Translation: "The Internet is another way for the church to get rich and keep fooling people!"

GREAT... Will this guy die or what?! Now that the Pope has recommended regulating the internet,

If the internet must be regulated in any way religeon must not be a factor, If any one religeon is in control it will be offensive to people who don't practice that religeon, religeon seems to for the most part to be the biggest barrier in the way of freedom of speech & freedom of choice.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 04:08 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 03:12 AM, TomFulp wrote: Yup, we lost the frontpage news again. Will the madness ever stop? Ross has been working on transfering the user sessions to track on our server, but the server has been choking on it. He is trying another method, so bear with us.

In the meantime... Uh.... So the Pope thinks the Internet "needs regulation to stop depravity flooding cyberspace". He also added, "For the church the new world of cyberspace is a summons to the great adventure of using its potential to proclaim the Gospel message."

Translation: "The Internet is another way for the church to get rich and keep fooling people!"

GREAT... Will this guy die or what?! Now that the Pope has recommended regulating the internet, who knows how many religious nuts and politicians will follow.

BTW - did you know people arrested for marijuana on average spend more time in jail than convicted rapists and murderers? There is a great article about it in the new Maxim. Here are some interested stats to chew on:

1) If we stopped the "war on drugs" we would save over $19 billion per year...

2) If we allowed the legal sale of marijuana it would generate close to $2 billion in sales tax based on the rate people are CURRENTLY buying it (illegally).

3) Our prisons would have MANY less inmates... Less people your tax dollars are going to feed.

What does everyone think?

Translation: "The Internet is another way for the church to get rich and keep fooling people!"

EXACTLY!!!

Damn sometimes I think Tom is the only cool and smart thinking person on NG.


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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 04:13 AM Reply

So basically what you're saying is, "Religion bad, drugs good."

Are you one of those guys like George Carlin who was raised with strict religion and is totally bitter about it?

As for the pot thing, I have a general principle which I think applies: "If it makes you crap your pants, it should be illegal." That doesn't apply to laxatives-- they make you have to go, but they don't make you lose control over whether you go.

Just my two cents.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 05:28 AM Reply

It has been down ever since yesterday morning, till this afternoon. Or so according to my time.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 05:57 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 03:12 AM, TomFulp wrote: Yup, we lost the frontpage news again. Will the madness ever stop? Ross has been working on transfering the user sessions to track on our server, but the server has been choking on it. He is trying another method, so bear with us.

In the meantime... Uh.... So the Pope thinks the Internet "needs regulation to stop depravity flooding cyberspace". He also added, "For the church the new world of cyberspace is a summons to the great adventure of using its potential to proclaim the Gospel message."

Translation: "The Internet is another way for the church to get rich and keep fooling people!"

GREAT... Will this guy die or what?! Now that the Pope has recommended regulating the internet, who knows how many religious nuts and politicians will follow.

BTW - did you know people arrested for marijuana on average spend more time in jail than convicted rapists and murderers? There is a great article about it in the new Maxim. Here are some interested stats to chew on:

1) If we stopped the "war on drugs" we would save over $19 billion per year...

2) If we allowed the legal sale of marijuana it would generate close to $2 billion in sales tax based on the rate people are CURRENTLY buying it (illegally).

3) Our prisons would have MANY less inmates... Less people your tax dollars are going to feed.

What does everyone think?
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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 06:03 AM Reply

i'm not an american citizen, so i cannot answer on your point about the drugs
how ever i do agree that little crimes get more severly punished then bigger crimes
here at my country they're very good at it (and that isn't something to be proud of)

and about the pope, i think he doens't even have any power what so ever, he just sits there waiting to die,
i believe his assistens (or how do you call them) decide everything

let's face it,every religion is the same BS

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 06:58 AM Reply

Er, no. If some Americans stopped smoking MJ, then they could help the nation. Other than that, smoking is for people who just want to fuck up their lives, nothing good ever comes out of smoking it.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 07:22 AM Reply

getting ridof the drug war would be a positive step in eliminating the drug problem. Why do people do drugs.... Well most of the time to get high... but I bet you they started to rebel and get back at the system. Its pure psychology people.

As for ruining lives... It does do that to some point, but it really isnt that bad... My girlfriend smokes, and its a real turn off, for me. She drains her wallet for something she doesnt need. She wants to quit and and I am helping her.

As for the pope, I hate religion in general. I'm a thaoist, which is more of an applicable philosophy
teaching that there are infinate paths one may take and that each one is different and unique. Thats why I ike eastern philosopies... They don't give you one set way to do things, they let you find the way yourself... I feel much more free now than I did wen I was christian. I should know about religious pesecution, I live in the "sauth"

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 07:36 AM Reply

First off in reply to the couple of people talking about marijuana and how is is "bad".

Copied Verbatum From The Foreward by J. Tony Serra, Attorney at Law in the Second Edition of the Book Marijuana Law by Richard Boire.

" We marijuana smokers in the United States are an oppressed catergory of citizen. We are tracked down like animals, mostly by secret police, treated brutally, ripped off by lawyers, and ultimately physically broken by unfair law and bad judges. We are being savaged by the legal system. Basic constitutional rights are denied to us. Harsh and inequitable jail sentences make martyrs of us all. Law and law enforcement have targeted us for extinction.
We are also victims of false law-enforcement propaganda about marijuana. We know the truth: that all of the evidence shows that marijuana is good for people; first as medicine and more meaningfully as a consciousness enhancer. Why should we be sacrificed to governmental falsity alleging negative attributes of marijuana use?
A government that knowingly issues false dogmas concerning marijuana and then through its laws ruthlessly crushes marijuana users, must be resisted and defied at the same level that it threatens us.
That level is the legal-judicial realm. We must be armed in that realm in order to preserve ourselves. We must be armened with the "law.""

The biggest ill effect from marijuana use is inhaling the smoke. Smoke is bad for you. Bottom line. It isn't good for your lungs. People smoke cigarettes that do even more damage. The pollution does a lot of damage as well.

I happen to agree that the whole drug war thing is bad juju. Like it says in the original post.. it would save the US loads of money, and it would also solve the prison overcrowding problems they are always bitching about. Hopefully this whole war on terrorism thing takes the funds and spotlight from the drug war.

Now about the Organized Religion crappy crap.

I hate organized religion. I am a firm believer that organized religion has only one function. That function being control over the masses. Wars have been fought over religion. People have died because of religion. Religion defies logic. Religion is bad. This whole 9-11 thing has to do with religion. Fuck Religion and fuck the Pope. They need to keep their noses in their bibles instead of putting them where they don't belong.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 07:39 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 07:22 AM, Dom-Price wrote: As for ruining lives... It does do that to some point, but it really isnt that bad... My girlfriend smokes, and its a real turn off, for me. She drains her wallet for something she doesnt need. She wants to quit and and I am helping her.

The same girlfriend that you've never met?

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 07:59 AM Reply

"Newgrounds" has a lot of server problems lately :'((
I h8 it...
but thank you for trying 2 fix tha problem/

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 08:01 AM Reply

thank god i was having withdrawal symptoms.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 08:15 AM Reply

God, it's getting very annoying trying to visit Newgrounds, because every time I do get onto it, I vote three or four times, and then the server fails again! And it stays crapped up for a day or two! I thought the problem had been solved, because Newgrounds seemed faster the last few weeks, but a few days ago it started again! I thought you were just moving servers again, like a month or two ago. Oh well, I hope you're able to fix it soon! ;)

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 08:50 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 06:58 AM, ProwL wrote:

Other than that, smoking is for people who just want to fuck up their lives, nothing good ever comes out of smoking it.

EEERRRR!!!! What about pain relief for victims of cancer?

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 08:51 AM Reply

Religion is often a legal drug for the weak-willed and weak-minded.
Which has harmed society more?
Christianity or marijuana?

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 09:34 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 04:13 AM, CMcVey wrote: As for the pot thing, I have a general principle which I think applies: "If it makes you crap your pants, it should be illegal." That doesn't apply to laxatives-- they make you have to go, but they don't make you lose control over whether you go.

Just my two cents.

By that logic we should also ban all alcohol and a lot of unhealthy foods. I never knew a potthead who crapped/pissed his pants - seen plenty of drunks do it, though.

BTW - for anyone wondering, I'm not a potthead - I just don't see much harm in the stuff, especially compared to alcohol. Did you know that cocaine was LEGAL during prohibition, when people couldn't drink? Also, did you know that sugar is just as addictive as cocaine?

-Tom


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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 09:39 AM Reply

he he he he he he he he cannabis is legal here in the uk

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 09:42 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 07:22 AM, Dom-Price wrote: getting ridof the drug war would be a positive step in eliminating the drug problem. Why do people do drugs.... Well most of the time to get high... but I bet you they started to rebel and get back at the system. Its pure psychology people.

As for ruining lives... It does do that to some point, but it really isnt that bad... My girlfriend smokes, and its a real turn off, for me. She drains her wallet for something she doesnt need. She wants to quit and and I am helping her.

Interesting side note - in countries where drug laws aren't enforced (or don't exist), drug use is less prevalent. More Maxim tidbits - during the years after prohibition ended, violent crime dropped 50%. Think about how many people get killed over drugs - even if it isn't in your neighborhood.

Also, think of all the American farmers who currently need support from the government because their industry isn't doing well. I'm sure they wouldn't need that support anymore if we let them grow some herb to sell, legally and taxable!

Second disclaimer - I'm not speaking as a potthead!

I just think Americans need to start thinking about how much money is wasted and how much could be gained from this industry.

Again more Maxim info - drug laws were put in place for racial reasons. They were initially created in the early 1900s to "stop negroes from comitting violent crimes", which was later proved to be a false relationship. Additionally, Nixon's own comittee on the topic recommended that the ban on marijuana be lifted because it wasn't nearly as bad as people pretend it is. Nixon ignored the report.

Can anyone tell I liked this article? :)

-Tom


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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 09:57 AM Reply

Hell yeah!!! Legalize all that shit. let the stupid people kill themselves off and not endanger the rest of us. My philosophy is; individuals i don't mind, it's people i can't stand. It's like, if someone is convicted of murder (not counting self-defense) why give them a life term? They have no worries about food and shelter, and never have another hardship. I say screw'em. Our generation has enough to worry about without paying for other peoples mistakes. We're gonna be around when the planet runs out of oil, fresh water, etc. The last thing we need is to pay for some drugged up idiot to keep on living.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 09:58 AM Reply

Is Tom a Pot head? Hmmmm

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 10:04 AM Reply

If the internet needs regulation, perhaps it should eat some prunes.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 10:14 AM Reply

Pigs in my town are WAY to occupied with catching teens with some weed on them. This is why I hate cops. They should be out looking for thieves and murders and shit. I am a daily smoker, and proud of it. It makes me a better driver, a better worker, and a better person. I dont consider my self a druggie or anything like that, because I would never touch any other drug, besides maybe an occasional woo.

Final though: If you legalize marijuana, your keeping alot of the thugs off the streets. And thats all I gotta say about that.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 10:42 AM Reply

At 1/23/02 10:14 AM, Craig_Mack_in wrote: I am a daily smoker, and proud of it. It makes me a better driver, a better worker, and a better person.

You have just illustrated the stereotypes people who are against legalization would cite. You are actually hurting the cause.

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 10:58 AM Reply

Religion is a good think for many people, but watch out, don't be a puppet on a string. Compare the good things against the bad things religion has brougth us.

About the drugs thing. First of all there is a big difference between hard- or softdrugs. I don't use any of them. But still i can agree with you when you are talking about softdrugs. I live nearby Amsterdam, Netherlands and people think that our open minded vision about softdrugs is very wrong.

Me don't think so, wasn't it the same with alcohol a lot of years ago. And now the countries with the highest prices for alcohol have the most drunks...

Like i said i don't use drugs, i don't even drink, but sending people to prison for smoking pot and let criminals that have used violence walk away free, is beyond me.

Harddrugs is a different kind of story...they are dangerous, very dangerous!!!

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 11:07 AM Reply

WEEEEEEEEEEEE!
W00t!
and Yay! for the Netherlands and their Fabulous drug policy!
I like living in holland!!

*pokes holland*

Wee!

CANNABIS SATIVA HOLLANDICA!

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 11:27 AM Reply

Hey, yeah... I like the part about the whole "war on drugs" thing...

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Response to Server Stuff Jan. 23rd, 2002 @ 12:31 PM Reply

At 1/23/02 09:42 AM, TomFulp wrote:
Interesting side note - in countries where drug laws aren't enforced (or don't exist), drug use is less prevalent. More Maxim tidbits - during the years after prohibition ended, violent crime dropped 50%. Think about how many people get killed over drugs - even if it isn't in your neighborhood.

Also, think of all the American farmers who currently need support from the government because their industry isn't doing well. I'm sure they wouldn't need that support anymore if we let them grow some herb to sell, legally and taxable!

Second disclaimer - I'm not speaking as a potthead!

I just think Americans need to start thinking about how much money is wasted and how much could be gained from this industry.

Again more Maxim info - drug laws were put in place for racial reasons. They were initially created in the early 1900s to "stop negroes from comitting violent crimes", which was later proved to be a false relationship. Additionally, Nixon's own comittee on the topic recommended that the ban on marijuana be lifted because it wasn't nearly as bad as people pretend it is. Nixon ignored the report.

Can anyone tell I liked this article? :)

-Tom

Statistics are another form of lies... so i have to look at your comments twice. Countries that have no or less harsh drug laws have less drug use, but that is not a good way to predict the US, which is bsically capitalism on speed, i know that is a terrible analogy considering the topic. the situation and consumer attitude is much different here. If drug use was legalized, and marketed and promoted....does anyone really want another industry like tobacco? more problems than it is worth. And the long term costs of health care for the increased drug use, both for physical and mental and rehab reasons....there is a cost benifit analysis that has to be done (and I'm not the one to do it).

Pot also affects productivity. (my opinion)

The problems with the american farm economy have less to do with adding a new crop to the market and more to do with both supply and dmeand issues and tariff regulations. It also is not really a profitable business, so less lucrative to workers and business owners in the US, so it makes sense in an economy such as ours to out-source labor and pay for shipping. Additionally, by taxing pot and injecting the crop as a fair and legal product, price to the farmer would go down (supply up) but the price may be higher(governmental overhead, no economy of scale) for the typical quarter.

I do not think violent crime would reduce if we legalized pot, because I believe that the buisness is significantly "mom and pop" due to the strides made against organized crime. Here and there I'm sure there is a large operation, but I dont think it is a significant percentage of the whole. Prohibition was a cash cow for organized crime, and when the paycheck was removed from the mob, they went to find business elsewhere. Crime may dip, but not much. Legalizing drugs such as cocaine is another can of worms.

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