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At 11/12/05 01:49 PM, Corey_the_Afro_Jew wrote: I will have to disagree with you there. The Ramones are infact punk. Yes they did have some love songs ex: "I wanna be your boyfriend" but that was way before Pop-punk ever existed. Most of there songs are fast and pretty raunchy. Plus the Ramone definetly helped put Punk on the map which inspired many other great bands lie the Misfits to rise.

Lyrics and speed are irrelevant to sound, Ideals, and Labels. They Popularized the genre of Punk, and strayed away from many of the Punk Ideals. Therefore making them Pop Punk, but When they were playing, there were no such labels, and they thought they were playing good ol' Rock n Roll. Also, Everyone says they started the Punk Movement, which is the biggest lie ever.

At 11/12/05 01:54 PM, skunkpunkrunner wrote:

Lyrics and speed are irrelevant to sound, Ideals, and Labels. They Popularized the genre of Punk, and strayed away from many of the Punk Ideals. Therefore making them Pop Punk, but When they were playing, there were no such labels, and they thought they were playing good ol' Rock n Roll. Also, Everyone says they started the Punk Movement, which is the biggest lie ever.

If you mean by punk ideals as in anarchy, that is such bull shit. Punk back then has taken a more Nhilistic side than anarchaic. Which was exactly what the Ramones were doing. If you get a chance pick up "The Weird Tales of The Ramones". It has more than 80 of their songs on 4 discs and was compiled by Johnny Ramone before he died. If you listen to that you'll get my point.

The germs or screeching weasel, maybe circle jerks or sham 69 i dunno

My favorite is ROCK ON DUDE BRO DUDE

AIR GUITAR NAHaANANAahaaa(STRUMING STRINGS)

ILL MEET U AT Tha skate park bro d00d ur pr0

sex pistol

At 11/12/05 02:28 PM, Original_SHM wrote: My favorite is ROCK ON DUDE BRO DUDE

AIR GUITAR NAHaANANAahaaa(STRUMING STRINGS)

ILL MEET U AT Tha skate park bro d00d ur pr0

Its people like you that need to die.

Brand New, Sum 41, Greenday

At 11/29/05 04:50 PM, idontthinkso wrote: 1985 - Bowling for soup

Are you saying that just to mess around or are you actually a moron?

At 12/20/05 10:31 PM, BossRobot wrote: twisted sister

Twisted Sister isn't punk at all.

At 12/20/05 10:29 PM, Corey_the_Afro_Jew wrote:

At 11/29/05 04:50 PM, idontthinkso wrote: 1985 - Bowling for soup

Are you saying that just to mess around or are you actually a moron?

I think he's actually a moron

At 12/20/05 10:36 PM, DancingTomato wrote:

At 12/20/05 10:29 PM, Corey_the_Afro_Jew wrote:

At 11/29/05 04:50 PM, idontthinkso wrote: 1985 - Bowling for soup

Are you saying that just to mess around or are you actually a moron?

I think he's actually a moron

According to his profile I do believe he is infact idioticus moronicus.

I just want to say that I am so fucking sick of you people saying that Green Day, MCR, and Sum 41 are punk rock. Ok, punk rock is nothing on MTV-If you want real punk rock go to here:

www.punkcore.com

And start finding some good current punk rock, and if you think their posers, you should talk, because Green Day are far from punk, they are rock. No real punk rock band plays in fronta 10,000 people, ok? MCR are fucking emos and Sum 41 is...well probably rock, so I don't want people screaming about how Sum 41 or MCR or Green Day are punk, because they aren't. Go to that website and you'll see

AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT PUNK IS DEAD!!!!

When I say you people I mean the people who say those things. Not the people here who know what punk is Thank you very much

At 11/12/05 02:04 PM, Corey_the_Afro_Jew wrote: If you mean by punk ideals as in anarchy, that is such bull shit.

I love you.

I'm not a Nihilist anymore, but a large amount of my collection is Punk music.

Well, a large chunk is more accuratley Post-Punk, because I'm deeply unhappy like that. :'(

*Insert that Simple Plan song*

Since I have a feeling this topic is mainly centered on new school rawkus leather jacket 2 minute punk rawk I shall go along and not worry my little head with 80s synth post punk bands.

The Misfits would have to be my favourite "punk" band

now dont give me that new school shit, I'm talking Glenn Danzig, baby raping lyrics and 50s retro suits

1.The Ramones
2.The Clash
3.Rancid
4.Sex Pistols
5.Dead Kennedys.

At 2/4/06 07:11 AM, Rhabdophobia wrote: Since I have a feeling this topic is mainly centered on new school rawkus leather jacket 2 minute punk rawk I shall go along and not worry my little head with 80s synth post punk bands.

I can appreciate modern Punk music, but it would be so much more diverse if the kids school themselves on New Wave, No Wave, Industrial, etc.

Nothing gives me a boner like the word synthesizer.

I'm not that much into Punk, but it's fun every now and then. I went to an Amnesty International consert last night. It consisted mostly of HC punk. I pogoed a bit. It was fun, I got scratches on my hands, fell over a few times, dropped my glasses once (didn't break though).

Of punk bands, I'm more into the generic pogoshit, but The Clash is really cool imo. 'cos they're commies and stuff.

These are only a few of my huge list of favourites:

1208
On the Outside Looking in
Agnostic Front
Gotta Go
ALL
Problematic, World's on Heroine
Anti-Flag
Angry Young and poor, Free Nation
BAD RELIGION
No Control, Sorrow, American Jesus, The Defense, The Surface of Me, ...
Beatsteaks
Let Me In, God Knows, I don't care as long as you Sing
Bouncing Souls
True Believers, Kid
THE CASUALTIES
Punx Unite, On the Frontline, Unknown Soldier, Fuck you all
The Dead Milkmen
Taking Retards to the Zoo
DEATH BY STEREO
Sticks And Stones, Getting it of My Chest, Fooled By Your Smile, -No Cuts, No Butts, No Coconuts-, EMO HOLOCAUST, Wasted Words, Looking out for #1
Descendents (=ALL in the beginning)
Coffee Mug
The Distilers
Beat Your Heart out, Oldscratch
Down By Law
No Equalizer
downset.
Pure Trauma
DROPKICK MURPHYS
Time To Go, Devil's Brigade, For Boston, Wich Side are You On?, The Rocky Road to Dublin, Tessie
The Dwarves (Site contains pr0n!!)(Yeah)
Everybodies Girl, I will Deny
The Explosion
Here I am, No Revolution
FLOGGING MOLLY
What's Left Of The Flag, Salty Dog, Screaming at the Wailing Wall
GUTTERMOUTH
Secure Horizons, Can I Borrow Some Ambition, Perfect World, Lipstick
H2O
Everready, Guilty By Association, Faster Than The World
I Against I
Nailed To The Floor, The Best Place in The World
Joykiller
Hate
Madball
Hold It Down
ME FIRST AND THE GIMME GIMMES
Only the Good Die Young
MILLENCOLIN
Bullion, Farewell my Hell
Motion City Soundtrack
Don't Call It A Comeback, Throwdown
MXPX
*Mainly covers*
Nekromantix
Who Kiled the Cheerleader
NOFX
Electricity, The Decline, Separation of Church And Skate, Dinos will die, The Plan, Liza & Louzie, Pump Up The Valuum, Bath Of Least Resistance, Olympia, WA, No Fun in Fundamentalism, Murder The Goverment, American Errorist, ALL THEIR SONGS!
OFFSPRING
All their songs
PENNYWISE
Bro Humn, Fuck Authority, Open Door, Perfect People, The World
Pulley
Runaway, Hooray for Me
RANCID
Side Kick, White Knukle Ride
Randy
Welfare Problems, Addicts of Communication
Some Girls
I Need Drugs
Ten Foot Pole
ADD, My Wall
Terrorgruppe
Do You Mind
Tiger Army
Ghostfire
Total Chaos
Riot City
Turbonegro
All My Friends are Dead
UNION 13
Never Connected
The Unseen
Dead Weight Falls
VOODOO GLOW SKULLS
They Always Come Back, El Coo Coi, Stranded in the Jungle

At 2/4/06 07:21 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: Of punk bands, I'm more into the generic pogoshit, but The Clash is really cool imo. 'cos they're commies and stuff.

I still like The Clash, even though I am completley opposed to Communism. I like their experimental streak and they can also be quite fun and tender at times.

At 2/4/06 07:22 AM, -Casualty- wrote: The Dwarves (Site contains pr0n!!)(Yeah)

Every CD of theirs seems to have it on the cover aswell.

Needles Sharing & Les Georges Leningrad are my two favourite modern groups.

Old groups that are still going strong who I love are The Legendary Pink Dots, Throbbing Gristle, Laibach & Depeche Mode.

Old-school biznitches!

well... i like to think of green day as punk/alternative, so yeah green day all the way (vote for pedro)

At 2/4/06 07:27 AM, mattyb584 wrote: well... i like to think of green day as punk/alternative, so yeah green day all the way (vote for pedro)

According to Virgin megastore, they are Metal.

I thought Metal groups had to be Bluesey. Green Day, I like, but they don't like the Blues. :'(

At 2/4/06 07:25 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: I am completley opposed to Communism.

I used to like you...

At 2/4/06 07:32 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: I used to like you...

:'(

Are we still on for tonight ?

At 2/4/06 07:32 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:

At 2/4/06 07:32 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: I used to like you...
'(

Are we still on for tonight ?

Yes, but it means nothing to me ):<

On topic, Edgar Broughton Band is considered proto-punk, Punk before punk existed. It's swell, so add that. And Abduktio and Trace of Tellurian, two finnish punk bands I pogo'd to last night.

At 2/4/06 07:36 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: On topic, Edgar Broughton Band is considered proto-punk, Punk before punk existed.

I've heard much about them, but I have never had the pleasure.

Proto-Punk that I am familiar with:
13th Floor Elevators
David Bowie
Electric Eels
Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention
John Cale
kraftwerk (As far as New Wave is concerned)
Lou Reed
Nico
Pagans
Pere Ubu
Rolling Stones (arguably their earlier work)
Roxy Music (New Wave again)
Stooges
Suicide
Velvet Underground
Who (Arguably their earlier work)

As you can see, I lack Fugs, I lack Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel, I haven't even heard Pink Fairies, Deviants or Godz (there have been a few bands with this monikeer) or even Fanny.
If you want to speak of Alternative country, I lack Billy Bragg. Of course, I feel that Alternative Country is a stupid idea, I may aswell draw up Bob Dylan and Woody Gutherie into it. I love the both of them, but this post is quickly becoming an incoherent mess.

I phail. I phail so bad. :'(

I know some strong punks at my school, they hang around in 3's and look frigging mad all the time. Very intimidating

At 2/4/06 07:53 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention

Bloody A

I think Punk can be also traced back to the late 60's psuchedelia, like Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd and Crimson King etc.

At 2/4/06 08:02 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: I think Punk can be also traced back to the late 60's psuchedelia, like Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd and Crimson King etc.

True, the Psychedelic bands were tearing up the rulebook first, I group Psychedlia with the Avant-Garde.

I am rather fond of some psychedelic, I espeically like it when The Beatles uysed to venture into it.

Skrewdriver all the way. No competition possible.

WHITE POWER, ONE TWO THREE FOUR!