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At 12/13/04 07:16 PM, Fizzle wrote: It may not force beliefs, but it does force a practice I won't accept. Yet, it does in a way force a set of beliefs on me, since the people who are pushing for gay marraige obviously BELIEVE its ok, where as I DO NOT. So then, by having to live in a state that allows it, the practice of gay marriage is being forcefully made a part of my life, whether I like it or not.

Dude, no it doesn't. You are not being forced to perform a gay marriage, you are not forced to be a part of a gay marriage, you are not forced to be in any way associated with or near people who have anything to do with gay marriage.

It may not directly affect me in any way, since I'm not a homosexual, but I still have to live in a place that allows something like gay marriage. Of course I could always move somewhere else, but until then, the fact that something I don't agree with is being made acceptable by law is a problem for me.

If it has absolutely no effect on you, why does it bother you? Why should thousands of people in your state be denied the right to marry the person they love just because you would be uncomfortable with the idea that somewhere out there it's happening?

As I said before, nothing, nothing at all, in any way, WHATSOEVER is being forced upon you. You are not forced to believe in anything, you are not denied anything, you are having nothing thrust at you.

I most likely would not move to another state anyway if it happened here in North Dakota, but it would make me mad nonetheless.

Then just pretend it didn't happen. Nothing changes for you, so if it angers you that much, just don't think about it.

At 12/13/04 07:23 PM, Joniboy wrote: errrr dude.. its like the people who beleives in alien ok?

So we're relating aliens to gay people now...

At 12/13/04 08:27 PM, -_Silence_- wrote:

At 12/13/04 07:23 PM, Joniboy wrote: errrr dude.. its like the people who beleives in alien ok?

So we're relating aliens to gay people now...

omg was just an example stop being so stupid

At 12/13/04 03:32 PM, -_Silence_- wrote: Wow I never thought my country would be stupid enough to allow same-sex marriages. That's when you know the world's gone wrong. If you havn't already heard, It is almost completely legal to have gay marriages in Canada. By early next year, our House of Commons and Senate will vote for or against it. Man I am so disturbed by this.

hurrah! fuck, ya stupid jackhole neo-nazi! i hope they rape you. no i dont hope that. i only hope you can someday open your eyes

At 12/13/04 07:25 PM, Maus wrote:

At 12/13/04 07:16 PM, Fizzle wrote: It may not force beliefs, but it does force a practice I won't accept.

What about all the racists (of all colors) that have to deal with the fact that we allow races to intermarry? That was something the Supreme Court had to decide not even 40 years ago in this country. Aren't we doing the same thing to them that you claim we would try to do to you?

That's a good point, but I guess the only good answer I can give is because I'm looking at this from a religious beliefs standpoint, and not out of a hateful bias, like racists. Where most racists feel they are superior and hate minorities, I only don't agree with homosexuality becuase to me it is morally wrong. I'm not sure if that's really any better than someone saying "Oh well my religion dictates that I dislike blacks," but since my view doesn't involve hate (at least on my part), then it's acceptable.

At what point can we stop telling people 'no' even though they are two consenting adults?

I don't know how to respond to that, since my whole argument is basically that I don't agree with homosexuality as a whole, and not just marriage rights specifically. You've stumped me again haha.

well, all I have to say is, let Canadia have it's fun... long as they don't piss us off and we go bomb the shit out of them like we did the middle east

At 12/13/04 03:51 PM, Phospherus wrote: just shut up. why do you give a MOTHER FUCK what people do? It's so much easier in life to mind your own goddamn business. But 99 % of the world is up each others ass so goddamn much, there's a war between countries almost every year, there's murder because of what people believe, It just pisses me off.

...good call.

At 12/13/04 08:14 PM, Elfer wrote: Dude, no it doesn't. You are not being forced to perform a gay marriage, you are not forced to be a part of a gay marriage, you are not forced to be in any way associated with or near people who have anything to do with gay marriage.

Alright, it may not be forced on me personally, but it still bothers me. I think of homosexuality as a major sin (although I don't know how I can really classify it as worse than any other sin), so when laws that give something that I consider sinful rights, its like its just another step in the degradation of society. That probably sounds ridiculous, but to me allowing gay marriage is a step backwards, rather than a step forwards as most people see it.

If it has absolutely no effect on you, why does it bother you? Why should thousands of people in your state be denied the right to marry the person they love just because you would be uncomfortable with the idea that somewhere out there it's happening?

Because I personally believe it is wrong. I acknowledge that it happens, but if I have the choice to prevent it, then I will. Although it will continue elsewhere, I'm still standing up for what I believe in here, and that's better than not doing anything at all in my opinion.

As I said before, nothing, nothing at all, in any way, WHATSOEVER is being forced upon you. You are not forced to believe in anything, you are not denied anything, you are having nothing thrust at you.

Ok, yeah that's true.

Then just pretend it didn't happen. Nothing changes for you, so if it angers you that much, just don't think about it.

It's not like it infuriates me or anything, it just bothers me.

At 12/13/04 03:32 PM, -_Silence_- wrote: Wow I never thought my country would be stupid enough to allow same-sex marriages. That's when you know the world's gone wrong. If you havn't already heard, It is almost completely legal to have gay marriages in Canada. By early next year, our House of Commons and Senate will vote for or against it. Man I am so disturbed by this.

dude, your so self centered. why can you retarded fucks realize:

THEY ARENT GETTING MARRIED, HAVING SEX, OR GETTING TOGETHER FOR YOU!

At 12/13/04 03:32 PM, -_Silence_- wrote: Wow I never thought my country would be stupid enough to allow same-sex marriages. That's when you know the world's gone wrong. If you havn't already heard, It is almost completely legal to have gay marriages in Canada. By early next year, our House of Commons and Senate will vote for or against it. Man I am so disturbed by this.

I love how everyone gets in this heated debate because some 15 year old douche sparks up some bullshit topic regarding his thoughts on gay marriage LIKE HIS OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. I doubt he draws his own conclusions, rather, most likely spawned from his homophobic maple syrup flapjacker of a father or his equally ignorant Canadian boyfriends. Not a damn thing any of you people are going to say is going to sway his mind until he ages another 3-5 years, so stop wasting your time.

6-7 years considering he's Canadian, thereby making him far more stupid than normal people. GAJHAHA AHSDHAHE CANADIAN JOKE. Seriously though, you got a lot to learn boy, and some growing up to do.

Pardon me while I go jack off, watch cartoons, and eat Lucky Charms. In that order.

Vaginas look wierd! ^_^

who cares as long as the dude have a room i dont care but i welcome the chick doing it

Your so ignorant. Church and state should be seperate, gays aren't hurting anyone.

C'mon guys GAYNESS IS WRONG! I'm only saying what the Bible tells us. However homos are pretty funny and now lead our designing industry.

You're right man it's kindof scary the devil has a grip on many people's souls now a days.

! EL DIABLO ES EN MIS PANTOLONES!

This is just me talking here, but I think that if whatever higher forces created us wanted people of the same gender to be married then we would ALL BE THE SAME GENDER.

Since there is 2 genders I can only surmise the purpose of that is to have man and woman together. Besides I can never wrap my brain around how people can find someone of the same gender attractive....it just doesn't make sense.

Biologically speaking, not emotionally here, a guy should want to do a girl to procreate. It's an instinct buried in all of us. You can't MAKE a baby with same gender couples now can you? We have the instinct to pass on our genes, and being with another guy/girl will defeat that purpose.

Personally, I don't have a big problem with this issue, but I wish the homo's would just keep quiet about it. I am SICK of turning on the news and seeing 2 old dudes making out cos they are so damn happy about getting married.

Legalizing gay marrage also brings up another issue. Where do we draw the line? What's next? Legally marry your cousin? SIBLING? We have to stop somewhere.

At 12/13/04 09:02 PM, Fizzle wrote: Alright, it may not be forced on me personally, but it still bothers me. I think of homosexuality as a major sin (although I don't know how I can really classify it as worse than any other sin), so when laws that give something that I consider sinful rights, its like its just another step in the degradation of society. That probably sounds ridiculous, but to me allowing gay marriage is a step backwards, rather than a step forwards as most people see it.

Seperation of church and state.

FATALITY.

Of course, I guess we were arguing different things here.

I was arguing whether or not it should be constitutionally allowed, as was ruled, but it appears you were arguing whther or not it is morally, right, and since we have different religious views, that one is impossible to resolve.

We'll call it as an "agree to disagree"

OK. STFU. The first "GAY super fun happy union" in Canada was in Toronto... my city, on June 11, my birthday. I woke up to the image of those 2 fags jumping eachother. But do you hear me conplaining? It is true I don't approve or like "gay" and I dont particular want to be exposed to it. But its not like being all "I hate gay" will make it go away and in the long run, your the only one that loses.... oh and all the people around who have to listen to the insuing whining.

At 12/13/04 10:01 PM, shadowhunterx wrote: This is just me talking here, but I think that if whatever higher forces created us wanted people of the same gender to be married then we would ALL BE THE SAME GENDER.

You do realize we have gay animals right?

Why not gay humans?

Animals don't marry- humans do. That's pretty unnatural right there.

Let me summarize this:

You have the arrogance, the egotism, the pomposity to deprive another of their happiness, because you are lucky enough not to be homosexual? Just because they were born, or made a choice, or have a belief different than yours, they can't have your rights, or share the joy you might one day have? Are you trying to make this country a fascist country? Doesn't the USA pride themselves for their liberties and rights? Is the "direct puruit of happiness" not an unalienable right?

At 12/13/04 09:09 PM, Sheck wrote: dude, your so self centered. why can you retarded fucks realize:

THEY ARENT GETTING MARRIED, HAVING SEX, OR GETTING TOGETHER FOR YOU!

Why don't you read the whole thread. I said it disturbed me. Synonyms: Bothered, annoyed, irritated. I'm expressing my opinion. I really don't give a shit what they are doing for me.

At 12/13/04 03:51 PM, Phospherus wrote: just shut up. why do you give a MOTHER FUCK what people do? It's so much easier in life to mind your own goddamn business. But 99 % of the world is up each others ass so goddamn much, there's a war between countries almost every year, there's murder because of what people believe, It just pisses me off.

Because maybe he wants to make the world a better place by simply voicing his opinion...c'mon do you like to stand next to two guys making out? Bah makes me sick...

At 12/13/04 11:28 PM, ATPDragon wrote: Because maybe he wants to make the world a better place by simply voicing his opinion...c'mon do you like to stand next to two guys making out? Bah makes me sick...

I'm not sure about making the world a better place by posting this on the NG BBS, but yeah, the next part...true...

will you shut up? i hate people like you. what the fuck does it matter to you if 2 guys get married? i fucking hate you conservative bastards. you guys are so fucking cruel to people you dont even understand. im not saying i support homosexuality but atleast im not going around bashing people. your fucking 15! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW?

gay people should be able to do exactly what the rest of us do. if someone disagrees, give a reason. any reason, other than "their gay!" or "They suck dick" or anything dumb like that. open.

im pretty sure youve been flamed beyond all belief. iut appears no one likes you in here. I now advise you to just shut the fuck up. again: shut the fuck up.

At 12/13/04 04:31 PM, ramagi wrote: Canada will be the land of the Happy people.

Lets see reasons to live in Canada

Drinking age is 19.

*hick* Actually...it's 18...

Health care is provided.

Good! Cause I'm gonna be sick...

You can always blame the French for everything

Damn frenchies!

Beer has a higher % of alchol alowed.

*Hick* HELL YEEEAAAH!

You can pawn off you coinage in America as American Money.

More money to drink!!

Best yet for the drug users Mary Jane is legal(for medical porpuses of course, not that anyone would use it for something else.)

BTW, never mix drugs and alcohol!

Does it really sound liek a bad place to live in/

Viva Canada

At 12/13/04 10:18 PM, CountPoopoo wrote: Let me summarize this:
Is the "direct puruit of happiness" not an unalienable right?

Yeah, the PURSUIT of happiness, not the ACQUISITION of happiness.

I guess.

At 12/13/04 10:08 PM, Shrapnel wrote:

At 12/13/04 10:01 PM, shadowhunterx wrote: This is just me talking here, but I think that if whatever higher forces created us wanted people of the same gender to be married then we would ALL BE THE SAME GENDER.

You do realize we have gay animals right?

Why not gay humans?

Animals don't marry- humans do. That's pretty unnatural right there.

There is no such thing as a gay animal. That is just something that is concocted by holly wood to sell movies. Trust me, I've researched this topic. I am a 3rd year university Biology student and I've asked all my profs and read my texts and watched many a documEntary.

NONE of them said homosexual animals exist. They SPECIFICALLY say animals don't exist in-fact. Animals don't think on our level. This just think about three thing. Getting food, Finding shelter if they need it, and making offspring.

Human, being more intelligent, tend to make things more complicated than necessary. Marriage is just a way for us to hold onto the same mate longer so we can produce more offspring.

Granted some couples never want to have kids, but that just furthers the "more complicated example thing."

If I had to guess, homosexuality is another, what I like to call "construct" of the human mind. People may MAY not actually be attracted to someone of the same gender, it's some defense mechanism or something. Some trauma in the past pushed them to be with people of the same gender, beacuse someone or even a group of people of the opposite gender wronged them some how.

This is just MY opinion. I am not trying to get all superior on you guys, nor am I saying the whole "trauma" thing is true in any case, hell I could be completetly wrong. I am just trying to get you to see how I think. I'm right, I'm wrong, that's up to you.

I am 100% sure of the gay animal thing though, so don't even bother trying to convince me otherwise. I have spent a lot of time and energy on this subject and my results always come up the same:

NO GAY ANIMALS

Can't believe everything you see on tv Shrapnel.

anything to piss off american christians supporting GWB

At 12/15/04 02:59 PM, shadowhunterx wrote: -There is no such thing as a gay animal.
-I am 100% sure of the gay animal thing
-NO GAY ANIMALS
-Trust me, I've researched this topic. I am a 3rd year university Biology student.
Can't believe everything you see on tv Shrapnel.

Are you sure? Because I don't call "researching" going and asking your prof.

:O Whats
THIS?

At 12/13/04 11:48 PM, ness0013 wrote: Im not saying i support homosexuality but atleast im not going around bashing people.

I didn't bash anyone you dipshit.

At 12/13/04 11:53 PM, ness0013 wrote: im pretty sure youve been flamed beyond all belief. It appears no one likes you in here. I now advise you to just shut the fuck up. again: shut the fuck up.

Why are you advising me to Shut the Fuck up? And I don't consider "OMG YOU HOMOPHOBE" flaming...