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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 03:59 PM Reply

Oh yeah, the wall of shame idea. We have stayed away from this because there are losers out there that need attention so much that they will go to great lengths to violate our rules and abuse our system just to get their name posted.


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:03 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 03:59 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Oh yeah, the wall of shame idea. We have stayed away from this because there are losers out there that need attention so much that they will go to great lengths to violate our rules and abuse our system just to get their name posted.

How about a "Moderator's only" wall of shame?

Eh Wadeypoo? Eh?

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:03 PM Reply

ok Wade I will keep voting as fairly as I can on all flash work hope I'm not one of the ones you have tracked down

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:04 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 03:58 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I'll try to answer some more questions.

Hiding the vote panel was great, but it didn't work on certain web browsers, so we had to change it, and so far there isn't a way to do it the way we would like. Although Liljim is trying to find other ways to discourage voting abuse. One way maybe to put a timer on the vote bar. Meaning if we detect you are on a broadband connection, and we know the movie will take 20 seconds to load, the vote bar may stay hidden for 20 seconds, or maybe 40 seconds so we knonw you had time to watch at least part of the entry.

I think the timer idea is good! btw on my browser (internet exsplorer) The voting pannel stays hidden until the movie is loaded, i think AOL is the one which has problems with that.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:08 PM Reply

I've noticed that there are several submissions from first time authors, that are at least worthy of a 2.20ish, but they end up getting blammed, while users that already have several submissions can submit blatant crap and get it passed.

Though this is most likely just repeating what this thread is all about, I just wanted to feel I somehow contributed to this :O

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:09 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:03 PM, Dobio wrote: How about a "Moderator's only" wall of shame?

Eh Wadeypoo? Eh?

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or maybe for everyone who is NOT a moderator.
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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:12 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 03:59 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Oh yeah, the wall of shame idea. We have stayed away from this because there are losers out there that need attention so much that they will go to great lengths to violate our rules and abuse our system just to get their name posted.

Bring on the wall of shame!!!

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:23 PM Reply

Don't know if anyone had a thought about it, but what about Portal mods? People who check everyone's votes and will report if they notice someone who doesn't vote appropriately. With these around, I doubt people would be dumb enough to vote 0/5 according to number of submissions and/or batting avarage.

Also, glad to hear that you're trying to take care of the problem. I though the other day of making a flash and submitting it, but then realized it has no chance of passing judgment with the current system and the way it works, even if it is a decent piece of work.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:27 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 03:28 PM, Dobio wrote: I'm glad I basically stopped depositing. >:P

BTW, I think an announcement of people who have been busted, who are high up, would be a great addition. :D

then we should do the same with users banned from the BBS, banned from reviewing and deleted users, right?

If we show to everyone who got busted for one reason, why not show people that were busted for another reason?

Isn't how justice works?

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:28 PM Reply

far too many votes to keep track of for mods opting to help out in thier free time. Way too big a task i would think.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:31 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:08 PM, j00bie wrote: while users that already have several submissions can submit blatant crap and get it passed.

You should know.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:34 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:31 PM, Aapo_Joki wrote: You should know.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:35 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:31 PM, Aapo_Joki wrote:
At 12/6/04 04:08 PM, j00bie wrote: while users that already have several submissions can submit blatant crap and get it passed.
You should know.

Amen.

I'm also tired of shitty Star Syndicate collab animations (DailyToons, _____ Tribute, etc) passing judgement because everyone gives it an automatic 5.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:39 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:35 PM, Swive wrote: Amen.

I'm also tired of shitty Star Syndicate collab animations (DailyToons, _____ Tribute, etc) passing judgement because everyone gives it an automatic 5.

Heh the tributes stopped about a month ago, but they were much funnier than the DT's :(, even though the first few DT's looked like they took SOME time, now they're just ... disturbing :\


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:40 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:38 PM, Jetninjin wrote:
At 12/6/04 04:35 PM, Swive wrote:
I'm also tired of shitty Star Syndicate collab animations (DailyToons, _____ Tribute, etc) passing judgement because everyone gives it an automatic 5.
im also tired of IWP getting awards because everyone gives him an automatic 5.

You can say the same for any popular artist. IWP just submits movies more frequently.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:41 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 03:28 PM, Dobio wrote: I'm glad I basically stopped depositing. >:P

BTW, I think an announcement of people who have been busted, who are high up, would be a great addition. :D

Omg i totally just passed you in BP!


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:43 PM Reply

hopefully this post will get some people to stop.


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:44 PM Reply

wade i have a few things to ask...

what's with the new NG logo before every flash that comes up before the actual preloader, but only if you're not logged in? the only problem i have with this is that i rarely log in, spare to deposit a couple of times a month, or to post something, and i noticed that it can sometimes ruin the mood of a flash.

what's going on with the console contest? is that finished?

one last thing. here's how i vote on under judgement flash: i watch the movie, usually the whole thing,(maybe a few times i've voted without watching simply because of an under 10k filesize or a 'DBZ STIK SK8TING HENTAI ADVENTUR' title), and i vote either a 0 or a 5. i don't do this due to laziness, i do this because if i want it to stay in the portal i give it a 5. that would effect it the most. regardless if i enjoyed it or if i semi-enjoyed it, i feel that it is a quality flash that deserves to stay so i vote 5 to get full effect on that end. if it's poor work, which i feel shouldn't be in the portal at all, why should i vote 1 when i could vote a 0 and do the most damage to it, a flash which i either know will be blammed, or a flash that i don't think deserves to stay?

when it comes to passed judgement work, i sometimes just use 0-5 and those in between, because now that it's passed i can give it what it deserves. but when it's underjudgement, i think of it as a yes(5) and a no(0) thing, where i want it or i don't.

also, is it fair to vote 0 on an under judgement flash movie because you despise the author and feel he shouldn't have another award to his... talentless hack self?


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:48 PM Reply

At 12/5/04 11:59 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

The people who contribute to our site work very hard on their entries (well the people who submit quality content anyway) and they don't deserve to have people casting an uninformed vote on their entry!

AMEN! its people like the random voters who see to it that i can't get ONE-SINGLE-DAMN-FLASH on this site, no matter how hard i work! next step i guess would be the crazy voters who vote for completely unrelated things.....

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:50 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:44 PM, madhatt3r wrote:
one last thing. here's how i vote on under judgement flash: i watch the movie, usually the whole thing,(maybe a few times i've voted without watching simply because of an under 10k filesize or a 'DBZ STIK SK8TING HENTAI ADVENTUR' title), and i vote either a 0 or a 5.

Well thats fine currenty I'd assume because it'll try to outweigh the mad amount of 0's. But then if everyone started to vote fairly then you 5iving somthing would give it a higher score than it would deserve. Because theres no need to try to outweigh the mass amount of 0's a submission might get. So if all goes dandy then there would be no need to 5ive somthing to ensure it gets saved because everyone will vote fairly....will that happen?
Hopefully.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:54 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:35 PM, Swive wrote: I'm also tired of shitty Star Syndicate collab animations (DailyToons, _____ Tribute, etc) passing judgement because everyone gives it an automatic 5.

look.. i'm tired of you people saying that the star syndicate gets people to mass vote on the dailytoons.

i made two or three of those, and i know as a fact that no one is gathered to mass vote on them. a personal friend of mine was in charge of them for a while, and all he did was pick a random time during the day where he had nothing else to do, went to the dailytoon gmail account, picked 5 toons he had recieved in emails from ANYONE (you do not need to be a member of the star syndicate to make a daily toon) threw them all together with a menu and submitted them. they are just for fun, there is no conspiracy here, no organized mass voting. honestly, i enjoy them because it's just shitty fun, and it allows users with no skills to get something to thier name if they want.

having dailytoons isn't going to effect your life. we aren't stealing awards from more talented authors, nor are we enforcing our toons onto you guys. you can watch it, vote how you like, whatever. with something like an average score of 2.00, these things are nothing more than ordinary flash in the portal.


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 04:57 PM Reply

ok wade, i read the whole topic, but i couldn't find the answer to my
question: i mostly vote 5 on movies or games i like, to make sure the
movie stays online. in a perfect world, i wouldn't have to do that, but with
all these 0 voters, who to be realistic won't vanish, it sometimes is
impossible to save a flash worth saving.

oh, and please forget about the timer idea. i don't want to have to wait 10
seconds to vote on a 'vot3 teh fifen fo pr0n' movie.

btw....am i on the list ? :0).

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:00 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:31 PM, Aapo_Joki wrote: You should know.

Youre right, I am a perfect example of this.

Last night I submitted a 2 frame movie, 1 being a preloader, and it passed.

Sure, of course I voted 5 on it, but that's it... it passed with something like a 1.61.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:02 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 05:00 PM, j00bie wrote:
At 12/6/04 04:31 PM, Aapo_Joki wrote: You should know.
Youre right, I am a perfect example of this.

Last night I submitted a 2 frame movie, 1 being a preloader, and it passed.

Sure, of course I voted 5 on it, but that's it... it passed with something like a 1.61.

But why do you keep submitting stuff like that? Just to annoy people and for a chance to flame bad reviewers like me?

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:05 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:09 PM, YoinK_VineS wrote:
At 12/6/04 04:03 PM, Dobio wrote: How about a "Moderator's only" wall of shame?

Eh Wadeypoo? Eh?

*insert wink and sucking noise here*
or maybe for everyone who is NOT a moderator.
wink wink

wink to the third power.

What about some type of scarlett letter punishment. & we all get access to their home address & phone #'s.

Or some type of secret ban. Where they "think" they're posting but really aren't & believe nobody cares about their opinions. That would make almost anybody leave. I sometimes feel like I'm on this "secret" ban, a virtual bar where nobody knows my name, & I've just made a fool of myself. Ohhhh I need more friends.


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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:06 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:54 PM, madhatt3r wrote: look.. i'm tired of you people saying that the star syndicate gets people to mass vote on the dailytoons.

Amen to that madhatt3r.

i made two or three of those, and i know as a fact that no one is gathered to mass vote on them. etc.

Whenever the Daily Toon is submitted, there is no 'mass voting' going on.
Of course if one of the members see it in judgment, theyll surely throw a 5 at it, but there's usually only about 6 or 7 members on at a time, and it requires 200 votes.

If you want to point fingers at people for 'allowing' these to pass, point them at the blam/protect consciece 'noobs'. Theyre the one wanting the protection points more then you want your blam.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:07 PM Reply

yeah um forgot the question, is that also an untolerable voting behavior ? :^)

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:09 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 05:02 PM, Aapo_Joki wrote: But why do you keep submitting stuff like that? Just to annoy people and for a chance to flame bad reviewers like me?

For one thing, I cant submit stuff, Ive had 2 flagged flashes for the longest time, I got a buddy of mine to submit it.
I dont have access to his account, so I cant be responding to the reviews.
The daily toons account is a shared account, and that also isnt me responding to (most) of the reviews.

Wade's post is actually sort of convenient, because last night when this 'tribute' was submitted, I was surprised that it passed.
If the authors 'j00bie' or 'TheStarSyndicate' werent affiliated with the flash, it would have been blammed in an instant.

Hence, the blam/protect consciece 'noobs'.
At least you have half a brain more then they do, i'll give you that.

The problem with your reviews is that theyre abusive :D

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:09 PM Reply

At 12/6/04 04:54 PM, madhatt3r wrote:
At 12/6/04 04:35 PM, Swive wrote: I'm also tired of shitty Star Syndicate collab animations (DailyToons, _____ Tribute, etc) passing judgement because everyone gives it an automatic 5.
look.. i'm tired of you people saying that the star syndicate gets people to mass vote on the dailytoons.

I never said the Star Syn. got people to mass vote 5 on their movies. I was saying that ignorant fools just give them a 5 for a silly protection point without even watching the "movie." I put the word movie in quotes to emphasize the gayness of Star Syndicate's flash.

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Response to Portal Voting Dec. 6th, 2004 @ 05:14 PM Reply

i <3 the star syndicate, they make funny movies....


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