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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 00:02:14 Reply

At 12/7/04 11:52 PM, Fizzle wrote: Didn't she have 1337 points for a long time? I remember then after the new system started, a lot of the people who had achieved that level of blams (which back in the day was comparable to the 50,000 mark now) were complaining because it screwed up their record.

Why don't you ask HER?

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 00:04:18 Reply

At 12/8/04 12:02 AM, EKRegulus wrote: Why don't you ask HER?

I was hoping you already knew :)


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 00:04:51 Reply

At 12/7/04 11:57 PM, EKRegulus wrote: Check the whereis/howto forum sometimes. It has a huge amount of information about stats.

Thanks for that, I'll have to keep that in mind.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 00:12:26 Reply

At 12/8/04 12:04 AM, Fizzle wrote: I was hoping you already knew :)

I did. I forgot.

At 12/8/04 12:04 AM, Klacid wrote: Thanks for that, I'll have to keep that in mind.

No problem.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 02:22:56 Reply

Ohhhh where to start... First of all I don't know how to do flash I don't have a flash program and I have not submitted a flash vid obviously. That don't mean I can't tell the diffrence between a good quality submition and a piece of shit. Secondly I have no life. I sit here at home and spend all day watching the portal for new submitions (while chating on msn or playing some games). Sure I miss a few but I will judge as many as I can. I judge hard but fair even if I don't watch 100% of a submition. If the submission is under 10k or the first thing i see is a crappy stickman that don't even look like a stickman I will blam without hesitation. If I see the graphics are good I'll watch more into it and probably give it a 2 or 3. You want a 4 or 5 from me it had better be somthing that god him/her self would consider phenominal. I will also admit I have blamed some submissions because the preloader itself was a shitty stickman. (sorry if I don't wanna waste any more time loading somthing thats going to be shit) (side note. Not having a preloader isn't reason to blam although 90% flash that don't have one is shit.) Now for the standing up for others part. I have noticed that some submitions don't auto load for those who don't know this can be mistaken for a not working flash and blam it. (always cheak to see if it will play by going to play). Not everyone has high speed internet those with dial up would have to wait a good 30 minuts to load a 3-5 meg flash vid (if that was me I would say screw it and vote 0 unless it had a good preloader. 90% of the 3+meg files without a preloader are infact SHIT. Now for the bad stuff nah j/k. Now for the good stuff. I fully support what is said here because all flash submitions should indeed be judged fairly (side note) I consider my judgements hard but fair. Now for a great idea to stop people from submiting the same crap over and over again. If target person has submited befor then if target new submission size= same then kill submission. (Wade you have my email please mail me if I am being targeted for by this as I am not sure. I would mail you but im sure you get more than enough mail.) (msn would be much better)

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 03:14:04 Reply

just curious, but did anyone ever assume that fixit was more than one person? one account shared by ... i dunno, 5 to 10 people, all logging in and voting on under judgement files at intervals throughout the day, for a 24 hour period? you really could rack up a shitload of points that way.

devious, but sounds entirely possible.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 09:48:22 Reply

re slippery

if you have notices there is a timelimit per acount as well as ip for voting so it has already been though of and protected. to protext the authors. found this out when i went to friends house and loged in adn wennt to go suport something but friend had already visited it 18 hours earler
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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 10:32:36 Reply

its about time you guys started doing this.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 10:52:55 Reply

I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619
Just read the reviews about it.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 11:19:28 Reply

Oh yea I remember that p.o.s. I gave that a blam point fairly. The preloader was alright then the thing stated to play (BLAM!!!)

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 11:58:03 Reply

Is it allowed to vote on stuff that's already passed judgement that you have'nt watched?

I sometimes vote on stuff that i've already watched before without watching it at that moment is that allowed?
It should be because i've already watched it and its passed judgement.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 12:08:37 Reply

At 12/8/04 10:52 AM, Portal_Diver wrote: I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619

it was submission liek this that made me become a member of the NG to remove shit like this from making it

first there was no point
2nd there was unnessary strobing
3rd it had nothing to do related to the title
4th it was from a member of the star syndacate)

i blamed it at the point where he enterd his username
its just that easy to tell wether something is going ot be good or a waste of ng space.

so why does this and submissions like daily flash make it
onto the portal ? zzz seriously .. there's a reason i only give out 2/3 for decent flash .. its because shit like this take up all my blam power.. and still makes it onto the portal.

* sugestions

1> time for adding replies to each movie make less
2> add whistle for crap like this so that we can flag users that are just wasting ng time and submitting utter shit and stop them or at least teach them a lesson from submitting crap vs quality flash
3> raise the pass / fail rate .. anything under 2.5 is blamed.

that way we have a greater degree of hate / non hate for movies and if somethign truly deservesto make it onto the portal it will get 3/4/5 if something is truly shit it gets 0/1 if its aceptable but you dont believe to your fullest strength that others should have to submit to this type of movie vote 2

-Schlag..

submit a decent flash and i'll judge you fairly

did anyoen see the flashes earler today with the guy

authors coments i'm not giving up till i get turd of the week
was like latex harry potter or something had blob figures 1 motion some sound and whipping ... its these type of submissions that relly egg me into forcing votes very low
no care for there flash or a goal within the flash.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 12:20:06 Reply

YEt more crap ...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206658
Author's comments:

Short pointless movie of some guy listening to music. Thanks to evil_dog for the music too.

when the authors know themselves that the movies suck and ther just giving us free blam points is ther not somethign we can do to stop them from sumitting ie punish them for there stupidity / arrogence.

if ther was a whistle level for "quote" free blam point flash"
i'd prob have a deity whistle by now

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 13:03:08 Reply

At 12/6/04 07:30 PM, DarkSnipe wrote: OK WHAT THE HELL?

thats so right your the coolest man

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 13:05:00 Reply

At 12/8/04 12:20 PM, Schlaghund wrote: YEt more crap ...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206658
Author's comments:

Short pointless movie of some guy listening to music. Thanks to evil_dog for the music too.

when the authors know themselves that the movies suck and ther just giving us free blam points is ther not somethign we can do to stop them from sumitting ie punish them for there stupidity / arrogence.

if ther was a whistle level for "quote" free blam point flash"
i'd prob have a deity whistle by now

Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 13:14:58 Reply

OK this has nothing to do with the subject, but can some one tell me how the hell you get those little strips of animatins or pictures on the bottom of your posts?

someone answer back please.
much oblieged;)

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 13:18:50 Reply

You know Wade does have a point. I mean their are people that vote on movies just to get the points. They feel that the more points they have on NewGrounds it will give them more power. I mean it's cool that we get to vote on the movies but yah know I have seen some good flash on here that got blammed just because it was done by a new person for example. I myself try to vote fair and square. I mean just recently I saw a pretty good flash on here, but when I voted and looked at the score I was a bit in shock. The kid had a .71 which I thought was pretty unfair. I mean people where writing, well it's a good content but it's not good enough yet. Frankly I am a hard voter but I do give someone the points if they deserve it and it shows that they worked hard with flash, I know what a struggle it is to make a good flash. It is hard! People don't think about that as they blam some of these movies. Now resubmiting crap and the stick movies are one thing, but really some of you (you know who you are) really need to take a hard look at the flashes. Not just click on the movie and then vote n say it's crap when you ethier didn't give it a chance or once it popped up closed the box just to get the point box to pop up to vote. Really take the time to check out the flashes. Because even the noobies have some good stuff.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 13:30:01 Reply

At 12/8/04 01:14 PM, DarkSnipe wrote: OK this has nothing to do with the subject, but can some one tell me how the hell you get those little strips of animatins or pictures on the bottom of your posts?

someone answer back please.
much oblieged;)

Well your lucky your entry caught my eye. It's really simple, just go to the sign in link at the top of the page and click it. if you gotta sign in then do it. That will take you to the Grounds Gold Menu which has all the options for for user name. You can click on BBS Sig for the words near the banner. For example I typed my nick names in the NewGrounds chat and boom it's there. For the banner well I made my own in paintshop but whatever you do to get yours go to the BBS Signature Pic link and click it. There it will show where to upload the pic from on your computer and a link to it. For example mine is linked to my website that showcases my comic. There yah go. Hope that helps. =^-^=


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 13:49:04 Reply

:At 1/9/03 10:34 PM, fabulous999 wrote:

There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points, why should they care who they hurt or help if they're being rewarded either way. I think the solution is to force people to view entries before they are allowed to vote, so maybe they'll feel bad about voting 0 for no reason.

You are the kind of person I was talking about. You only have two scores in your mind and you will probably never change that. On this website there is:
Crap>Kind of crap with effort>Average>Good story, Programming or art>Godly

and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2

- this was taken from another topic stated by wade via ->
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=43270&page=2

anywyas this is exactly what this thread is about and i count of put it more clearly myself

the 0.001% of ng users taht only see black and white

0carp 5 holly crap this person submitted a flash wow there awsome i'm gona vote 5 cause i cant do flash myself

users need to realize taht there is a degreee ie the 0-5 scale on submissions being crap or not ..

to quote wade in a past post from same thread.

You seem resonable and you probably have nothing to worry about. We're most concerned with the people giving something you and I would give a 5, a 0.

Also, we'd rather see something sorta crappy stay on Newgrounds than be deleted, as long as it isn't stolen, malicious, overly offensive or pornographic, and not completely and utter crap. Because it won't HURT anything. If everyone gives stuff like that 2's it won't be on the daily top 5, it won't ever show up again once it's off the TOP 50 most recent, but if you blam it, it might come back again and again, better to let the damn thing through and into the abyss. Then the author can be happy and show it to his friends and try harder on the next one. Go look at some of Tom's early work, like the very first FDA. That probably would get blammed with today's standards. We all start somewhere. Look how Tom has grown since he started. You might BLAM something and discourage a future Tom Fulp!

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 14:19:31 Reply

At 12/8/04 12:08 PM, Schlaghund wrote:
At 12/8/04 10:52 AM, Portal_Diver wrote: I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619
it was submission liek this that made me become a member of the NG to remove shit like this from making it

first there was no point
2nd there was unnessary strobing
3rd it had nothing to do related to the title
4th it was from a member of the star syndacate)

i blamed it at the point where he enterd his username
its just that easy to tell wether something is going ot be good or a waste of ng space.

* sugestions

1> time for adding replies to each movie make less
2> add whistle for crap like this so that we can flag users that are just wasting ng time and submitting utter shit and stop them or at least teach them a lesson from submitting crap vs quality flash
3> raise the pass / fail rate .. anything under 2.5 is blamed.

Do you know what realy burns me up. When I do a review for a crappy flash entry that needs to be blammed and the author writers back "flash by Portal_Diver None" It's like they are moking (sp) those that don't submit flashes even tho their own flash sucks.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 16:23:35 Reply

At 12/8/04 01:05 PM, GrimMasterDeath wrote:
Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

actually, there is . look at the stuff at the bottem before the "submit" button

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 16:28:36 Reply

What people used to do was they had a program that just gave every movie a 0 so they would have a huge amount of blams and no saves. Since the majority of movies are blams, they were able to get 75-90 blams a day for a month.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 16:39:11 Reply

At 12/6/04 05:21 PM, BrainClock wrote: This is how it should be. No movie should contain a message like 'vote 5,' or 'legendarey frog sux cock', or any "political" messages that may affect how the viewer will vote.

dude, you can't take away "vote 5". its just not something you cand do to ng. its almost like....well i cant think of anything. but vote 5 is one of them trademark ng things. hell, if we're going to take away vote five, then strawberry clock will henceforth no longer be the king of the portal. how 'bout that ASSHOLE?!

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 17:57:13 Reply

At 12/8/04 01:49 PM, Schlaghund wrote: and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2

Why, though, would you vote 2 on a movie you are trying to protect? If it is that close to being blammable, shouldn't you just give it a 1, or at the most extreme, a 0? A 2 won't help that movie be saved if it is already borderline. It will only bring it's score down. Three is also a worthless score, because if the movie is worth of protection, shouldn't you give it the highest possible vote to ensure that safety? Even if you do vote 5. the average of the movie will most likely amount to something over 2 or 3. By you giving it a 2, you are only bringing down that score, and helping it get blammed, if other people end up voting in the same range, or below it.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 18:01:35 Reply

At 12/8/04 02:19 PM, Portal_Diver wrote: Do you know what realy burns me up. When I do a review for a crappy flash entry that needs to be blammed and the author writers back "flash by Portal_Diver None" It's like they are moking (sp) those that don't submit flashes even tho their own flash sucks.

This also annoys me, because in my mind, just because you either are a flash artist, or because you have at one time submitted flash, you aren't any better than that person viewing it who has no movies. Are film critics required to make a blockbuster movie before they can review one? No, so why should I as a reviewer of flash be any different? Those people are just frustrated that their work sucks, so they try to put down non artists by pointing out they have no flash. Big deal. I can still tell the difference between a good or bad movie. I don't need 5 years experience with flash to know that much. Those people are morons.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 18:19:35 Reply

I have to say, after this posting I've seen under judgment movies' scores go up.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 18:28:05 Reply

What if I only watch half of it? Will that also count? There's some really bad ones, and you can pretty much tell by just watching about 10 seconds of it.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 18:33:55 Reply

After all this ranting against the Star Syndicate, why must I get the saviour animation for today's daily toon?

Oh well, at least its scored lower than 2, so maybe this topic has helped some users come to their senses. And I'm surely doing my part to get these flashes blammed, as long as they are truly crappy ones, of course.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 18:47:47 Reply

At 12/8/04 04:23 PM, dictator_of_da_world wrote:
At 12/8/04 01:05 PM, GrimMasterDeath wrote:
Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".
actually, there is . look at the stuff at the bottem before the "submit" button

actualy what hes talkign about dictator is when a flash is arleady in the portal and the user has totaly ignored the rules and is submitting flash to give users free blam cause they speent maybe 1 horu or 2 horus on utter crap and have shit like

coment by artist
just blam this its crap

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-08 18:53:06 Reply

At 12/8/04 05:57 PM, Fizzle wrote:
At 12/8/04 01:49 PM, Schlaghund wrote: and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2
Why, though, would you vote 2 on a movie you are trying to protect? If it is that close to being blammable, shouldn't you just give it a 1, or at the most extreme, a 0? A 2 won't help that movie be saved if it is already borderline. It will only bring it's score down. Three is also a worthless score, because if the movie is worth of protection, shouldn't you give it the highest possible vote to ensure that safety? Even if you do vote 5. the average of the movie will most likely amount to something over 2 or 3. By you giving it a 2, you are only bringing down that score, and helping it get blammed, if other people end up voting in the same range, or below it.

re frizzle

the point is that anything over 2 makes it into the portal anyways what it is saying on yoru behalf is that yes i belive this should make it it deserves to be viewed by others howerver i m not going to give it a 5 and give it the credit a flash that deserves to be on the front page should have

ie if i vote 5 i think its frontpage worthy.
such entries most peole have seen
there she is / dads home
these are 5 worthy

daily flash toons hmm yea i dont think so .. these should jsut not be viewed ... by anyone.
call me a prick call me anti syndocate
i still watch them sometiems i even vote 1 or 2 but i;d be rolling over in my grave if i ever voted 5.. or if there was a gun pointed to my head and my life was at the sake of voting ... no wait i'd probaby still blam it ..

point is a shit submission gets blamed
a submission taht is shit but shoudl be viewed for another 3 min in the portal gets a 1
if you think its an ok flash and the author deserves to have his work on ng vote 2
if its worthy of telling your best buddy to watch it for a laugh vote 3
if its something you would be proud of showing your parents wout having them kick yoru ass for your stupidity vote 4
hell if you want all ng to see it because it fucking kicks ass or has some sort of slobbery yellow slug in it that farts when it exhales vote 5

vote responsibly ...